User talk:Checco/Archive 6 (January-December 2009)
Politics of Italian regionseditHi Checco, I happened upon Elections in Basilicata by the random article link and noticed you created all of the similar articles. Nice work on that, I just have a few suggestions. One is I didn't even know where the region was until I looked it up, so each page should explain a bit on that. Also pages in Wikipedia are generally better if they avoid referring to themselves such as "This page gathers..." just start describing the topic. Also an article on Elections in Basilicata really should be about describing the elections, so if you really just want to list the elections, perhaps moving the articles to lists might work out better? I don't know much about the topic, maybe each region has enough unique information to allow describing their elections individually, but if not, a general article describing the regional elections might be better and that would work well with the lists. Anyway keep up the good work, just thought I'd offer some suggestions since I don't know enough about the topic to implement them myself. Also feel free to response here, I'll keep track of it. - Taxman Talk 18:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Lega NordeditHi Checco, I noticed your work on the article about Italy of Values and you did a great job finding all the sources needed, honest. That notwithstanding, in Lega Nord you removed a good amount of citation tags without giving any sources in return. I know that finding sources for this kind of subject is hard, even harder to find them in English, but if appropriate sources cannot be found we would be probably doing a better job by just deleting those statements altogheter. Also, in the same article, in this phrase "to transform it into a federal state and have more State resources devoted to the Padania" and others similar you changed "State" with "Northern". Other than being POV this is confusing or even meaningless for anyone unaware of the extent of the term "northern" when applied to Italy, especially in a political context. I also see no reason to have the section about "humanitarian aid" merged in the "controversies" section, if not mere juxtaposition. --Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso (talk) 12:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Leaving WikipediaeditPlease look at [1]. I'd appreciate your comments, given now also how my best pals Gryffindor and PhJ are throwing stones. I'm so ashamed by such human behavior, I can not express it well enough. Icsunonove (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
You may have been quoted by the BBCeditHi, Checco! Bit busy in real life, so can't contribute lots at the moment, but just thought I'd log back in for a few moments to a) nag JLo into returning to contributing, and b) congratulate you on possibly being quoted by the BBC. The BBC news website has done a overview of the EP here and it uses the phrase "...the UEN includes the moderate Irish Fianna Fail party and Italy's post-fascist National Alliance...". Now I don't know (haven't checked the diffs) but when I saw it I nearly jumped out of my chair and wen't "Hey, that's Checco's phraseology!" - the characterisation "post-fascist" is unknown in the UK, so I guess this was a BBC reporter lifting straight from the 'pedia. So if you were the person who characterized Alleanza Nazionale as post-fascist, congrats: your copy has been lifted by the BBC. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
French regional politicseditI think you guessed my long-term to-do list! You'll understand that it takes quite a long time: 577 constituencies, a lot of departments and regions (I also want to work on general councils) and I'm the only one doing all of it! Congratulations on your great complete work on Italian regions- it's definitely a great template to be followed for any country! Great job, and very useful! One unrelated question. There are Sardinian regional elections coming up in a few days (next week). Do you know the candidates? Polls? What are the likely outcomes? Another PDL gain from the left after Abruzzo last year? --Petrovic-Njegos (talk) 00:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC) heyeditRead your message. You can witness what Noclador and Gun Power Ma are up to, and now Gryffindor has put himself back in. They are going back to the 100% Germanization route. You can even see that Gun Power Ma purposely starts listing only "South Tyrol" everywhere, and leaving out Alto Adige, or any other Italic reference. Of course this has to do with his ignorance on the subject, even stating at one point that Alto Adige is simply a fascist invention. I honestly don't think it is worth arguing with them. I've asked Lar how we can get neutral Admin support to mediate and monitor the situation. It shouldn't fall back into the same petty stuff as before. Icsunonove (talk) 05:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Verdi–Grüne–Vërcedit"all parties have titles in English" I checked the other parties and you are right: they are all in English. I found some you have overlooked. To keep in line with the naming convention you mentioned please move them too:
thanks, --noclador (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
heyedithey checco, did you see that noclador is even removing all the old latin and ladin names from the BZ pages? those were sourced from italian wikipedia where they have a nice reference. cultural cleansing at its best. :) this guy has no shame. Icsunonove (talk) 10:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Pd's new leadereditHi, I was just curious to your opinion on Partito Democratico electing Franceschini as the new party leader. Is likely to be more effective than Veltroni as opposition leader? Will he position the party rightwards, being formerly of DC and PPI? Will this affect whom Pd allies itself with, nationally and across Europe? --Autospark (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Italian electoral geographyeditI'm personally fascinated by electoral geography and stuff, and particularly Europe. I have a few questions about Italian voting patters. Why is Tuscany (and the rest of the Red Quadrilateral) so left-wing/communist? I've always seen it as a rich region, or is my image completely wrong? Are Italian voting patterns mostly based on class (like the UK), clerical/anticlerical divide (France), historical division between rebels and government (Spain)? Why was the PCI not stronger in the poorer southern regions of Italy (though wasn't the PSI strong in southern Italy)? Similar to that, how has the PD/Italian modern left built up large areas of strength in regions like Basilicata, Molise, parts of Campania and Calabria? Left-wing DC voters? Could you enlighten me on political patterns in and around Rome? Also, are there any significant mining areas in Italy like in Germany, the UK, and France? Thanks a million ;) --Petrovic-Njegos (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
If you have any questions about French electoral geography and voting patterns, I'd be similarly happy to answer them! --Petrovic-Njegos (talk) 01:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC) French electoral geographyedit
The clerical/anticlerical used to be very important in French politics, and although it has subsided with the decline in Catholic practice, in some regions, tradition remains strong. For example, in Lozère. Have a look at the map of the 2007 results there. The ultra-red parts, the Cévennes, are strongly anticlerical (and before that, Protestant, Ostrogoth, Republican [as opposed to legitimist] and so forth. Medieval divide). The Cévennes in Ardèche and the Gard are similar. However, that divide has subsided even in Lozère: Sarkozy did quite poorly in 2007 there and UDF voters there can transfer their votes to the left, which has also built up strength in Mende, the departmental capital. Bretagne, my home region, however, is an example of the decline of that divide, more or less. A strongly Catholic region, it used to be massively right-wing, but it has become a left-wing region. Why? Firstly, the experience of Mitterrand and the left in power actually helped the left as Catholic voters saw that the left in power weren't Soviet-loving baby eating monsters, which was their original conception of the French left. But also thanks to continued left-wing strenght in the Côtes-d'Armor (anticlerical) and the growth of urban centres such as Rennes, Brest, Quimper, or Lorient. Breton clerical rural areas (there aren't many of those left) are still more clerical and more right-wing. Look at the area around Vitré. However, rural areas around Guingamp and in northwestern Morbihan, anti-clerical regions, are strongly left-wing and are part of the Breton Red Belt (where the Communists still do well). The Republicans, as you refer to them (also known as the Orleanists by political historians) were the party of generally secular but wealthy industrial leaders and businessmen. The RI and PR had little base, since their little strength came from electoral deals with the UDR or other-right wing parties to win seats, kind of like the NC today. The Christiandems, and today the UDF/MoDem, were strong in the Catholic regions such as Bretagne, Pays de la Loire, Alsace, Vendée, Lozère/Cantal/Haute-Loire. In those areas, their strength came from generally rural areas. The left was stronger in cities and industrial areas. Also note that in the days of the RPR/UDF, the RPR was the party of choice for wealthy coastal people (Sables-d'Olonne, La Baule, so forth). The Radicals were strong in the "Radical Southwest", a largely secular and staunchly anti-clerical region. They're also strong in Corse, where the PS is quasi-nonexistent, but Corsican politics defy reality! In addition, the Radicals were/are (hard to evaluate where they stand today, since PRG candidates in legislative elections run quasi-exclusively in those constituencies with no PS opposition. So the best way to measure their strength today is Taubira's showing in 2002 and maybe Tapie's showing in 1994) strong in urban areas, more secular and hippie. The current PS map is in a way based on SFIO tradition and a urban pattern of support. Firstly, the PS' stronghold is in southwestern France, running in a line from the Landes to the Aude. They poll very well in rural areas there, and not so well in urban areas. The SFIO was a rural party in the Southwest and served as a protest machine against Parisian interests. That's why southwestern cities such as Carcasonne, in the middle of strongly leftie Aude is a UMP city. Similar case in Toulouse, but the PS has built up urban strength there recently. Outside of the SW, PS support is found in urban centres (and in poorer suburbs with high immigrant population) and industrial areas (old mining regions etc.). Also, on a side note, it remains the Protestant party (not that there are many in France...) The PCF established itself as the party for industrial workers in the 1930s/1950s, as opposed to a more rural SFIO. It's remaining pockets of strengths are two-fold: old industrial/mining areas (and Red Belts around cities like Paris, Lyon, Grenoble), anti-clerical rural areas (Allier, Breton Red Belt, Red Limousin). Lastly, the FN strength is originally in the Pieds-Noirs belt of France in the Garonne River valley. With Mitterrand in power, it picked up the traditionally strongly PCF/PS manual workers demographic, disillusioned by Mitterrand's less and less pure socialist economics. It also more recently picked up rural conservatives in eastern France, which was the demographic which swung the heaviest back to the moderate right (UMP) in 2007, see Le Pen in Alsace 2002 vs. 2007. The ARD differed from the Radicals as the ARD represented more business interests and I think they had less of a staunchly secular platform than the RadSocs did. The Radicals also favoured workers' rights, and the beginnings of a welfare state. The Gaullists had trouble establishing themselves in the Fourth Republic due partly to a special electoral law devised by the Third Force to keep the PCF and RPF weak. Most of the support the RPF did get was due to de Gaulle himself. In 1958, the Gaullists came back en-force due to massive rejection of the establishment and the political crisis. On a side note, I find de Gaulle's personal electoral geography fascinating: his map is a map of occupied France in 1940! He had a special strength in the industrial/mining Nord. Bayrou's MoDem base still corresponds to the old MRP/UDF stronghold geographically. However, the UMP is a bit different. Sarkozy polled very well in eastern conservative France, taking a lot of votes from the FN and also in wealthy areas (West Paris and suburbia, PACA). He also polled very well for a right-wing candidate with blue collar workers, doing much better than Chirac. He didn't win, but he did very well in the Pas-de-Calais coalfields, the mining areas of northern Lorraine (Longwy etc), the industrial suburbs of Marseille (he even narrowly won Fos-sur-Mer). He didn't do as well in the rural Catholic/clerical areas of Aveyron, Cantal, Bayrou's Pyrenées-Atlantiques, and in Chirac's home turf (Corrèze, traditionally Communist country!). Well, that came out a tad long. I hope I answered your questions, but don't hesitate to ask if you have any others ;) I also take the opportunity to link to my website, which might interest you. France 2.0edit
Thanks for your comments. I don't know as much as I should about the ARD and CNIP (moderate version, now they're crazy)'s electoral bases, mainly due to the lack of data for those parties. If I remember correctly, their bases were in secular but conservative (rural) areas such as Champagne, rural Gironde, parts of Poitou, Ain, and some Alpine regions. I think. Southwestern France is strongly secular and very much anti-clerical (while the other secular regions I mentioned above were not as rabidly anti-clerical). It is also quite rural. Bayrou did well in traditional Catholic country mainly because of tradition. He remains a devout Catholic, he has a large family and goes to church every Sunday. On top of that, 1994 Bayrou (then incompetent Education Minister) was a quasi-Opus Dei conservative Catholic. 2007 Bayrou (raving egomaniac) is a centre-left liberal (almost secular!) opposition MP. In the 2007 campaign, he was in the transition between the two versions. For that reason, the 2009 EU MoDem map will be VERY interesting! On a side note, Vendeé also includes some RadSocs area (Georges Clemenceau was born there) around Fontenay-le-Comte. Roche-sur-Yon is also very left-wing. I have a hard time finding data from the 1950s, since French electoral data is not stored online in governmental archives like in Italy. Slight correction on the second. Veil's list was the CDS list, while the UDF-RPR Giscard list was the Republican one. I'll take a lot at the regionalist pages and change them accordingly. Thanks for the heads-up. Again, my pleasure answering and don't hesitate if you have more. --Petrovic-Njegos (talk) 22:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC) La provinciaeditYou will find most of that discussion at Talk:Communes of the Province of Bolzano-Bozen; I thought then, and think now, that trying to include both names was an error, and will lead to innumerable point-scoring move requests, like the present one. At least we have avoided the petty Province of Bozen-Bolzano proposal, so far. We should bite the bullet, and find out what English works of general reference call the place. (Searching WT and article talk name-spaces on Bolzano and Markussep will probably get you most of the history. He was instrumental in drawing up the present compromise.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello, you might want to have a say here. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 13:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Province of Bolzano/BozeneditHi, Checco! I wouldn't be the one to start such a discussion, but I'd gladly participate if one were to be started—the very least I could do is to share WP:RUSSIA's experience, as the problems we faced (and solved) were very much like the one with the Province of Bolzano. If you start it, feel free to drop me a note; I'll be there. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:30, February 26, 2009 (UTC)
Greens (Alto Adige/Südtirol)edit
Questions of ideology...editChecco, I already answered you on the PdL discussion page, but since I consider you, if not a friend (I don't really believe in OL friendships) at least an acquaintance, I feel I should not let this discussion undermine our bond. I never wrote anything about myself here on Wikipedia because I believe that expressing controversial opinions (and nothing is more controversial than politics) would make it more difficult to relate with people with opposing views, which happens all the time on this project. But in truth if I'm taking this so much personally (even if I never let this compromise my neutrality) it's because, as a right-of-centre person (my political heroes are Reagan and Thatcher, especially the latter) I was dismayed to find my very own political beliefs associated with the party that embodies them the least. Still, I don't believe this ever prejudiced my position as an impartial editor. I hope this will give you some explanations. Paix, Le Petit Modificateur Laborieux (talk) 19:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
AfD nomination of VenetismeditIf you think venetism should stay, try to find enough adequate sources to support its existence (significant coverage in reliable publications, thus excluding personal websites, self-published or partial sources) and a meaningful title, all this preferably in English. I couldn't for either article, that's why they got nom'd.--Le Petit Modificateur Laborieux (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
To change the subject a bit, is there any reason why Lega Nord is not at Northern League (Italy)? I'm asking you because you usually take care of this kind of things.--Le Petit Modificateur Laborieux (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
EFAeditI'm not sure of those changes and that they're relevant at all. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.186.108.168 (talk) 07:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
ReferendumeditCould you briefly summarise the debate over the election date for the Italian electoral law referendum, 2009 in the article? —Nightstallion 08:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC) Re: Decide!editAlright, thank you for telling me. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 13:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC) I give up. I started this article in a lighthearted, confident mood, put in sketches of the current movements, put in an outline of history up to unification, then made a start at filling in the gap between 1861 and today. The further I go the more I realize how difficult it is to give a one-dimensional view of the autonomy movements without giving political and economic background, how hard it is to do that without getting into a full history, and how poorly qualified I am to even make a reasonable start. "Southern peasants revolt against Italian colonialists" makes an appealingly simple story, but is a total distortion. The people of Naples were fully aware of the events of 1848. Garibaldi was seen as a liberator in the south. etc. etc. I am just not qualified to work on this article. Hope I have not left too much mess behind. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Green FronteditChecco, as far as I can tell I didn't nominate it for deletion. I remember commenting on the AfD, but I don't think it was me who put the tag there. Looking at the page history, it seems that it was added here by Invitamia. You can also see his nomination here. Hope this helps! Greg Tyler (t • c) 10:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
EU electionseditHey Checco, Would you mind explaining how the EU elections work in Italy? I've seen stuff about a 4% threshold, but parties that won 1% got seats in 2004. Do the EP constituencies work like in France with individual lists in each constituency? Thanks for anything you might clear up :) On a side note- I have some maps of French legislative elections from 1958 till 1981 that I didn't manage to put on my website but I'd be more than happy to send them to you, if you're interested! --Petrovic-Njegos (talk) 02:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Warningsedit
You added the phrase "...the former members of Likud of Kadima" citing no source. 1. What does that phrase even mean in the context of the sentence? 2. Where is the source? 3. What makes you think (if I assume what you are trying to infer) that Likud has ever been a member of the International Democrat Union? It is not member and has never been. --Shamir1 (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Neutralità; Mario BorghezioeditChecco mi rivolgo a te come studioso di politologia per ricordarti l'importanza di un approccio neutrale nella compilazione di voci anche "controverse" come quella di Mario Borghezio (versione inglese). Comparando le versioni in lingua italiana e quella in lingua inglese emerge subito la poca imparzialità della versione inglese. Certa che porrai rimedio in fretta a questa lacuna, ti saluto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uaua (talk • contribs) 10:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Vandalism and nonsenseeditI read in your profile that you're an a political pundit from Italy and I see you're quite the white knight when it comes to Lega Nord, as you made more than 300 edits to the page over three years and half, and the second most active user made like 30-35. I also saw you reverted an edit similar to my own, which you dismissed as "vandalism and nonsense", without even bothering to inform that user. Let's leave aside that thing called AGF for a moment, and let's focus on my edit. I have reason to believe you will want to revert it as well as "nonsense" or whatever you will decide. Don't do that. Unlike the edit I just mentioned, mine is referenced, using a source you yourself obviously deem reliable (evidence, evidence, even more), so if you feel uneasy with that "populism" label, drop me a note on the article's talk, don't just revert everything as you did before.--93.45.117.204 (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
VenetoeditYou're up early this morning. Me too. Anyway I see we have different views. See discussion - I'll be here. My idea is, like things go together. Religion under culture. Modern material together. You say there is a pattern. What pattern? Thenb there is the issue of the tags - looking forward to hearing from you.Dave (talk) 08:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I wish to draw your attention to thiseditI have opened a discussion here to which I wish to draw your attention. This is a friendly notice under the auspices of WP:CANVASS. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Checco, is this faction still active? Its website doesn’t seem to have had any activity for a long time. The last press release was in December last year [2]. The last advertised event was in May 2007 [3]. ‘In primo piano’ goes back to March 2008.[4] Under recommended sites, the link to http://www.forzaitalia.it/ has not been updated.[5] And the section ‘Circloli’ has only one, whose content is simply ‘Contenuto da inserire’.[6] The reason I ask is that I was surprised to find Young Italy as a dab page. I suspect it would be better to have it redirect to the Mazzinian movement—which is certainly what most readers will be expecting to find—and have a hat note {{redirect}} pointing to Young Italy (current). Indeed, it probably be a good idea to move that page to Young Italy (2004). Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 09:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Does Alliance for Europe of the Nations still exist?editDiscuss it here. Incidentally, you updated Alliance for Europe of the Nations when AN left by merging. Given your expertise on Italian politics, can you give it a look-see and see if Sicilian Alliance also left? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Related question. —Nightstallion 11:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC) There is a request that Meran be moved to Merano, at Talk:Meran#Requested move to Merano (5 July 2009) Ian Spackman (talk) 14:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC) People of Freedom in the centre-righteditCiao Checco, ti scrivo in italiano per essere più chiaro. Senti ho visto che ti sei interessato al partito People of Freedom nella versione inglese. Bene, all'interno della pagina centre-right, che elenca i pariti di centro-destra in Europa e nel Mondo, nella pagina di discussione vi è un utente che vuole assolutamente screditare il PdL italiano, descrivendolo come un partito fascista quasi di estrema destra. Il suddetto vuole quindi estromettere The People of Freedom dai partiti di centro-destra. Mi chiedevo, puoi cercare di riabilitare il People of Freedom in quella pagina? Ciao, grazie.--82.57.166.65 (talk) 14:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC) New partieseditWhat do you think will come out of the Party of the South and Left and Freedom parties? —Nightstallion 10:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
LikudeditHello. I've noticed you have made some edits to conservative liberalism. An unregister user in 2006 described the Israeli Likud party as liberal conservative. I am wondering if that is the case or if it better described as conservative liberal or both in the party infobox. Here are the "general purposes" of Likud in simple terms: Constitution. You may also check out "The Issues" if you think it necessary. Please let me know what you think. Thank you. :) --Shamir1 (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
LegaeditGlad to see you back, Checco. To get straight to the point, there's no way you can remove 2,000 bytes of content from an article in a single edit, save each change you make and explain it in the edit summary, so that we can discuss them, should the need arise.--93.45.47.23 (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
That's bull, and we both know it. If you're trying to just sort things differently, do just that for now, and save the rest for when you'll have enough time to explain what's wrong (if anything) with the parts you're deleting.--93.45.64.6 (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC) Some advice from a real "Tuscanian"editAlso, you seem to be fond of the term "Tuscanian", but the proper address for people from Tuscany, and the adjective for things related to Tuscany in general, is just "Tuscan". Could you change Tuscanian regional election, 1970 and the other ones?--93.45.17.114 (talk) 18:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC) FYIedit[7] Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC) Left and FreedomeditHello Checco, just wondering if there has been any news about the foundation of Left and Freedom as an actual political party?--Autospark (talk) 21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
GrilloeditHe's founded a party, right? The Movimento di Liberazione Nazionale; will you be writing an article on that? —Nightstallion 15:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Political parties moveeditI do think on reflection, if there is any uncertainty to whether the modern-day Italian Socialist Party can retain that name, that your suggested solution is the best possible one. In any case, for encyclopaedic purposes, the historical PSI lasted over a century and was at times a significant player in Italian politics, whilst the modern PSI is a minor organisation, so in terms of the prominence of the subject of the article, retaining the article at Italian Socialist Party is arguably a better use of article naming.--Autospark (talk) 22:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
National liberalismeditI notice that you recreated the National liberalism article which has been merged with liberalism. I placed a merger tag and merged the article when there were no comments.[8] The article has no sources for "National liberalism" just a discussion that various parties have been called "National Liberal". Do you have any sources that any such ideology exists? The Four Deuces (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC) Conservative LiberalismeditHi, you have reinstated what another user has deleted in Conservative Liberalism. The fact of the matter is that none of this information is cited and it is not the responsibility of other users to cite information, it is the responsibility of the person who uploads the information. This is a violation of encyclopedic integrity and is misleading to people who read the article who do not notice that it is not sourced. If and when you upload this information back, I expect you to cite your sources. Otherwise, yoru information is biased, opinionated, and not meant to be in an encyclopedia. 68.230.134.130 (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Merry ChristmaseditMerry Christmas and Happy New Year from Baf09 (talk) 09:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC) A.C.A.editHi. I created the article Craftsman-Farmer Alliance, linked from the article you recently created. [9] seems to provide some info on the political profile of the party. Could you have a look at it? If not, just drop me a note and I'll try to dechiffer it through google translate (which works, but often misses precise details). --Soman (talk) 21:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC) Movimento 5 StelleeditHi, I noticed that you created a page for Beppe Grillo's new political movement, Movement_of_National_Liberation_(Italy). In fact, the correct name for the movement is "5 Star Movement" (Movimento 5 Stelle). I would like to create an entry under the correct name for this movement, but I thought about checking with you before - on it.wiki there is a flame going on on whether this movement is notable or not, and I would not like to waste time in a new entry if it is going to be deleted later. Do you think that the movement is notable, and also is there any template that I should use? My contributions to en.wiki have been limited up to date (mostly a deep revision of Vajont Dam a year ago) so I'm not sure about the practices here. Thanks. Vbertola (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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