User talk:Ceoil/Archive 17

The most poetic refusal of a romantic advancment I have yet recieved. Sure beats the usual "Feck off, you *&?^ing £#&*hole."

“ Please do not enter my talk page henceforth, nor look for me in the dewdrops on a morning leaf; nor listen for me calling out above your favorite elevator music; nor wait for me at a table with attached chairs at your chosen fast-food establishment. I will not be there. Isolation booth (talk) 06:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC) ”

Hello!

Hi Ceoil, you're probably super busy with articles, but my addition to the Moors Murders page (Very Friendly) was removed, and I am curious as to why? It is in the same vein as the Smiths pop-culture reference above it, which has no citations or anything either, and thus must also be taken as-is. I've never heard the Smiths song, but I believe that what was written about it, and it's relation to the Moors Murders to be true, so why can't the Throbbing Gristle comment also exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.136.25 (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

assistance

Hello, you don't know me. Love the albums articles, wiki, Nick Drake, etc. I'm relatively new; looking for some fresh eyes to take a look at this for some feedback on the introduction (the rest is still very rough.) Thanks--Kwan-Trill (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

hi

hi, Ceoil! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 01:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Jb; as I think of it; Wikipedia:ACF Regionals answers might interest you. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 01:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sliding this in here (delete if you want) - I commented on the one far. I've been working on many 18th century poetry pages. However, I felt that I should start with the writers first. It might take a while. But yeah, we should be able to remedy the lack of poetry FAs. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What aspects do you need? I started as a Romanticist. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I wrote up some notes for you (i.e. things you can add) to help a future expansion: here. Its not much, but still. I have more, just not right here. Also, you will need a "critical reception" section added to the end. This will have contemporary and recent critical views. Normally, I would suggest beginning with a "background" - a section talking about what information went into it and publishing details. Then the actual work, where you can describe the work, summarize, etc, then talk about themes. The "Lucy" section should make up the background, and there should be a main template linking to Lucy poems as a whole. There is significant information on each individual poem, so they do need separate sections.

Also, the "Cantos" are a mess. There really should be separate pages for each section. Any specific help, just tell me what you want/need on my talk page and I will provide. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Btw, I do mean exactly what I said in far. If someone turned in a paper like that, I would question if they would even be allowed in college, let alone if they were capable of performing research. There is nothing salvageable. Its rather tainted beyond restoration. I'm confused how the page could even have a cult following behind it. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You can see from my one correction how sloppy and inadequate the language is. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you see my point about it being 11 separate published works, and how that causes major problems, especially when critical theory treats the individual ones in such depth and detail that it cannot be covered? Are you willing to put 11 main templates and move content over, summarize, include summaries of the critical theories and interpretations for each section, along with massive critical theory and interpretation of the works as a whole? Thats a large piece to bite off. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

When does Pound's copyright give out? We can take images of the first set of Cantos, because they were published before 1935. I don't know about the rest. Also, excerpts would be needed in a page about them. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, thats why I proposed removing it so there wouldn't be the stress, then letting everyone take the time to rebuild it from the ground up. It would be a slow process. I'm sure I'd have to stop by the Library of Congress a few times to check on things for the page, and that will take a while. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. However, we need to start working on separate pages for the individual Cantos so we can start building a consensus for the summary styles to put into each section. That way we can actually include the bulk of research, publication information, etc, without increasing the page beyond 200k (which it looks to be heading towards now). Ottava Rima (talk) 01:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I mean post adding references and appropriate criticism (FA would require adequately reflecting the dominant theory, which is very expansive and would require quite a lot of information). This is also assuming not to split the individual Cantos (with summaries and the rest, then the page should only be 80k or so). Ottava Rima (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Macroom

Hi Ceoil. Thank you on your comment on the new information that i added bout the BNS in Macroom. I din't attend the open day however i was there on work experience with my friend bout a week or 2 before so i had a catch up then with the teachers and Mr. Clancy and Noreen. I didnt find the article i wrote on Macroom Scouting off the point. I thought it informed people about our troop All the best Dor28thcork (talk) 20:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Bad lads from the northside of Macroom.

Hi Ceoil. I can see where u are coming from. I understand the information i gave bout the centenary award and the one about the national scout award were boastful but the first two paragraphs were alrite. they where about the hall and the total of current members held by macroom scout troop and the current active sections Dor28thcork (talk) 20:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil No problem. I suppose i can rephrase it to be netural. I never thought that id meet someone from macroom on Wikipedia of all places. If i have any other questions that need answering i'll ask you. Dor28thcork (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil I'll be sticking around for as long as possible as Wikipedia is a brilliant website and i want to be apart of it. Dor28thcork (talk) 20:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil I'll def stay in touch with u. All the best Dor28thcork (talk) 20:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil I'll def steer clear of them lol. Well i rephrased my section in macroom on scouting so you can check it and edit it if u wish. all the best Dor28thcork (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk to you later boy. And by the way its likely we know each other; I have three friends teaching in Macroom. I used to be a Gerards man, now it the Castle ony, or Pens at a push! ( Ceoil ^sláinte 21:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Blanking hell

Man, you are such a drama queen. Waiting patiently until the weekend rolls around . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, what a Queen. Isolation booth (talk) 11:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I am what I am, screw ye guys. Weekend only 19 hrs away. Ceoil 20:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you going to get those MBV remaster CDs? WesleyDodds (talk) 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh? Thoes what? !! News to me! ( Ceoil ^sláinte 23:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Loveless will be out on two-discs, albeit with no additional tracks. Because Kevin Shields, that's why. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Two-discs MBV - Excellent. Ceoil 23:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I said I kind of like it. As for Coldplay, I acknowledge them as peerless innovators in the "dull, boring, plantive mewling" genre. God, the only Coldplay hook I can instantly recall at any given time is the intro to "Clocks", and that's just some eigth-note arpeggios on a piano so bland it barely registers as a riff. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Coldplay are tell the lonely what they what to hear merchants. Its all about empathy with the proles with those boys, platitudes, promises, sugar. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 23:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Opinion wanted: I feel that while this new addition to Heavy metal music is something the article needs, it is written more like an academic essay than an encyclopedia article, and thus needs to be rewritten and restructured. Thoughts? WesleyDodds (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thoes odd hanging numbers - contributing to metal websites (294). Attending indicate it was cut and pasted from somewhere, and the repeated reF in the html is also odd. Probably copy vio; toss it unless the editor who placed it engages. By the way, where is the best place to use to cite The Supremes‎ chart postions. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 20:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Cite Allmusic.com. Billboard.com is strangely incomplete at times. Cite both, just for good measure. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

In honor of the new Batman movie today: [2], [3], [4]. Too bad Prince won't play nice and let his videos be on Youtube. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

GOTH. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Only discovered The Mighty Boosh a few weeks ago. I don't know what to make of it, very funny, but so so strange! ( Ceoil ^sláinte 20:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr Ceoil, you have been cc'ed at UT:JH. Isolation booth (talk) 06:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul to the rescue WesleyDodds (talk) 00:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Apparently the guy in the Sonic Youth video is the bassist from Pavement. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you do, don't put that bit in the very first sentence. neutral POV and all that. For comparison's sake, there's a similar line in the lead to Pearl Jam, and that doesn't show up until the third paragraph of the lead. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It'll be a cold day in hell before I read the Pearl Jam article. Just so you know. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 02:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember not too long ago a certain Irish editor quite liked the YouTube clips I gave him of Pearl Jam. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What are you listening to this week? WesleyDodds (talk) 20:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Palace Music, Sebadoh, Trees Lounge and Kate Bush. The usual depressing shit; tbh. And you> Oh, I finally tracked down Stockhausen's Elektronische Musik, its woeful painful indulgent blx, but interesting how all those highbrow 1950-60s lads got it so wrong about how electronic music would go; they imagined it would convery a dispassionate futuristic dystopia a la 1984; I think the BBC Radiophonic Workshop got it closest. Ceoil 18:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

This is driving me mad. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Wesley I suggest you remove this before I make a note of it at the AfD. — Realist² (Speak) 22:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm commenting on something, not calling for action. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Peace in our time? Guys? ( Ceoil ^sláinte 11:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

My aren't we slow? Just the other day some friends and I were using the fullscreen feature while at work to more effectively mock the music video for "Wild Wild West" (No, I wouldn't dare link you to that). WesleyDodds (talk) 11:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a MBV article by Simon Reynolds in the new issue of Spin. While I should know better, I couldn't help shake the feeling when I was reading it that he took a peak at the Loveless article to refresh his memory a bit. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Keepin' it real. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

A jaysus, you dont really like that do you? Try this instead, or this, if you can prove you are over 18. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have a YouTube account, so I can't see the second link. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Tough. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Good band. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Ideas for future work. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have sources available for this week's collaboration, I suggest you hop to it. I'm mainly clearing out all the fannish tripe right now. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

If we're going for eighties pop today, this is the greatest song ever. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I place the blame on you. More links, mate. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Question: you sent me a link to a Wedding Present video once. Would happen to remember what song that was? WesleyDodds (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ever renew your RocksBackPages membership? I need sources for The Smiths. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Euf, forgot about that. Try again mid week. Bty the new tricky album is just great. The new Fall too; outstanding.[5] Ceoil ^sláinte 10:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I should give you a link, I suppose. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

You suppose? Well if it too much trouble...Ceoil ^sláinte 10:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The link is graet though. Ceoil ^sláinte 10:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Bass!

Youth. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

WOW. But who is playing bass? This is by some distance my favourite track of theres. Ceoil ^sláinte 13:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

You and your bass questions. Mark E. Smith doesn't worry about the bass at his gigs! WesleyDodds (talk) 00:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This week: post your favorite basslines. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Transmission[1]

Well.

• Totally Wired -The Fall - this would be the top of the mountain; Craig Scannlon is one of the greatest unsung heroes of alt rock. It pains me that he left the band after MES puched him on stage in NY in a drunken rage after roughly 14 yrs of excellence)
• Ceremony - maybe New Order's finest moment
• Elves + Who Makes The Nazis - Fall - both extreamly evil. Craig, again.
• All of 'Public pervert' + the second half of 'Not even jail' - Interpol
• Father cannot yell - Can - Mindbending stuff. Mushrooms recommended before you listen to this. As strange as Bosch.
• Dirt For Driver - Paik - Their only good song; but what a song.
• Number 13 - Pixies; or Tame.
• Wolf Like Me - TV on the Radio
• I Feel Love - Donna Summer (Patrick Cowley Mix)
• Go Round - The Hair & Skin Trading Company
• A Salty Salute - Guided by Voices (opening 15 seconds espc.)
• Relax - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (in all fairness!)

Most disliked:

• Sympathy For The Devil.
• anything by flea Ceoil ^sláinte 19:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Ceoil ^sláinte 21:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

LA Woman! LA Woman! Ceoil ^sláinte 13:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Green Day - "Longview"
• Joy Division - "She's Lost Control"
• The Cure - "A Forest"
• Stone Roses - "I Wanna Be Adored"
• Rick James - "Superfreak"
• The Beatles - "Rain"
• The Damned - "Love Song"
• The Cure - "Jumping Someone Else's Train"
• Gang of Four - "To Hell With Poverty"
• Jane's Addiction - "Mountain Song"
• Led Zeppelin - "Dazed and Confused"
• Mission of Burma - "Academy Fight Song"
• Queen - "Another One Bites the Dust"
• Smashing Pumpkins - "Crush" WesleyDodds (talk) 07:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I request that you take a look at Monster and muck your hands around in it a bit. Needs some help to get it to GA status. WesleyDodds ( attacktalk) 08:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm reminded again why were friends when you mention I Wanna Be Adored, Superfreak & Rain. But Another One Bites the Dust? Oh dear. Dude - "Dum dum dum, de dum dum dum de dum"? Not exactly challeging? The stone roses clip is really good. Ceoil ^sláinte 09:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

You know, I could've picked the bassline from "Flash" . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 09:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha. Very clever, prick. Ceoil ^sláinte 13:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The next stage is surely drum licks, and I have to say I'm in love with my car is an immediate favourite. After that, 65daysofstatic use crash and ride in a most agreeable manner. Ceoil ^sláinte 13:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I must admit I have an affinity for the drum fill in Phil Collins' "In the Air Tonight". WesleyDodds (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It's none of my business. But given the above lists of liked and disliked basslines, I think you both have awful tastes in same. Sorry. Lexo (talk) 22:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Since I have been challenged, a few of my own favourites:

• Thin Lizzy - "Dancing In The Moonlight"

Breakfast radio music.

• Black Flag - "Slip It In"

Sub rammones 'you had to be there two cord wankery.

• Sonic Youth - "Making The Nature Scene"

Do mean the bass or Kim's boots here, cause....brother.

• Thin Lizzy - "Renegade"

Outstanding.

• Minutemen - "Joe McCarthy's Ghost"

Proto math rock lead to flea b-shit.

• King Crimson - "Easy Money"

Brilliant

• Miles Davis - "So What" - here played a bit too fast by Ron Carter

Briliant; difficult to follow.

• Talking Heads - "Psycho Killer"

Of course - best on the page.

• Mary Margaret O'Hara - "When You Know Why You're Happy"

Very very good indeed.

That's quite enough to be going on with. Lexo (talk) 23:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, not bad at all!. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Although I just couldn't resist adding these three:

• Art Bears - "In Two Minds"
• REM - "Radio Free Europe"
• Tom Waits - "Telephone Call From Istanbul"

Heh.Lexo (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok your much faster than me, best I could come up with immediatly were:

• jism - tindersticks
• Jennifer &
• Grace

Feck. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, "Slip It In" has four chords, not two, and is infinitely harder to play than the Ramones because you have to use your fingers. Also, if you are seriously comparing a master like Mike Watt to a dork like Flea, I'm afraid it's plectrums at dawn...although I forgive you, because you're from Cork. Lexo (talk) 23:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

History of Limerick

Regarding the History of Limerick, now on FAR, I don't know when you might be able to get the Spellissy book but I have some other issues with it that I already put to User:DrKiernan but he has not replied yet. Based on his observations about comprehensiveness there are some quite large gaps but there also seems to be quite a bit of general Irish history thrown in that overshadows or overwhelms the Limerick story, where there is one. Maybe some of the general history should be trimmed out or reduced, for instance, the Irish Famine section seems to be more about the Cromwellian and Georgian period with only 3 sentences about the famine itself; perhaps a rename is in order there. As mentioned in a post on the talk page there is no mention of the Tudor re-conquest of Ireland and the Desmond Rebellions either.

Just today I found an extract of the Limerick entry from the Lewis's Topographical Directory of Ireland here which may be somewhat useful. In the meantime I am slowly working on finding references and will also try to expand the earlier period per DrKiernan's comments, but I will be happy to get any other advise, especially on the above points. In working on a few of these FARs, I realise it is so much more difficult to reference other peoples work at a later time than ones own around the time or writing! (I post in one place to keep a discussion together, so am watching this page for a while). TIA ww2censor (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you working on this ww2, but I'm in the same boat, have two FARs (both proving more difficult than anticipated) and am hoping for two FAC within a month or so. Still, I'd hate to see this go. I would'nt be much use in adding content here, but I would be willing to chip in with MOS, c/e, and cites (my Grandfather has a few of the books, and I have access to the UCC library) at a later date. I've watchlisted now the page and the FAR, so lets see. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 19:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, but what are your thoughts on the inclusion of chunks of general history in the article as it is now? ww2censor (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I have train journey in the moring, so I'll print, read, and give feed back after than. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 13:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Fell asleep on train, didn't read it. More time. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 21:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

As you likely noticed this was demoted. Would you care to get the Spellissy book some time soon and see what you can do? I am prepared to do more work on it if I thought someone else was around to assist, otherwise I won't bother again. Then we could resubmit to FAC. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 02:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you ever think about my suggestion? Cheers ww2censor (talk) 23:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Katyn

I am looking forward to seeing the results of your work; don't hesitate to ask me any questions! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Lions (album) FAC

Do you have time to keep going with the copyedit? Another user has noted some concerns, which I will address later today, and recommended I find someone to go through the article with fresh eyes. I'd appreciate it! —Zeagler (talk) 12:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyediting help. I now have support from Tony1...perhaps the article meets your approval, as well...? ;) —Zeagler (talk) 16:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The Supremes

Hey Ceoil. I wasn't sure if your last comment at the review on this one indicated you were willing to let it go or whether you want to continue to hold. No worries either way; you've taken on a few FARs at once. Marskell (talk) 14:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bosch

Hi there! No hard feelings :) I know well how wiki-ing can get frustrating sometimes. --Quadalpha (talk) 23:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's no rush. Not like anyone's paying us to write these things! --Quadalpha (talk) 00:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

date-autoformatting

Yes, it's a disease, isn't it. The script is dead-easy and works very well, but is still under trial; you'll need to scrunitise the diff afterwards to ensure that there were no screw-ups. Usually there aren't, but of course removal exposes the underlying inconsistencies in formatting within an article—inconsistencies that I believe should be exposed, since all of our readers out there see them, and they need to be fixed.

The script also needs to be applied judiciously and with sensitivity, at least at this early stage—possibly with a prior warning on the talk page if you foresee trouble: there's a band of people who say they don't care whether autoformatting is used or not, but find the fact that MOSNUM no longer encourages autoformatting insufficient to support the use of a script to remove it. Tony (talk) 01:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, writing all the details out for you. 10 mins, please. I see you have a monobook.js already; do you know how to create another? I've got two: one is .js, and one is .css. I'm a computer klutz, so you'll know better what to do (let me know if you don't, and I'll find out). Tony (talk) 02:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, sent. Feedback and queries welcome! Tony (talk) 02:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Great thanks. Looking forward. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 02:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Roman-Persian FAC

Hi! I know you have a lot to do in FAR, and therefore I'll understand your time constraints. In case you find a "time window", I'd be grateful if you could have another look at the article and the FAC as well after Tony's comments and criticism on the article's prose. Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 18:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarifying ...

Hi Ceoil,

Just to be clear: I appreciate what you are doing on the Cantos. I really do. A lot. My commentary elsewhere is more regarding what I see as a general problem on Wikipedia regarding the increasing bureaucratisation of our processes, particularly GA/FA/GAR/FAR, a situation which has made it much harder to contribute content than it was a couple years ago. If my rhetoric goes a little over the top, it's because that's what you do on that page; it's like drinking in a pub and crying with your friends. What's happened on Wikipedia in the last several years is most upsetting to me and I have no idea what to do about it: it seems that you can no longer stick together two words without being accused of original research, and if you do stick those words together you get accused of plagiarism. Navigating the crack between Scylla and Charybdis is just so much more stressful than before, and we lose lots of good contributors because of the difficulty. But please carry on. You're doing great work. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep. You've voluntarily taken on the most difficult position. Others hurl rocks from the sidelines, which is always easier. Hm, see No. 68, which I appear to have violated myself, oh well. I'm no expert on the Cantos and its critical and scholarly sources: I've only read the poem, parts again and again (first encountering the Pisan Cantos when I was about 21, I could tell there was something immensely powerful there, but beyond my understanding at the time -- it was one of those things I knew I would have to come back to some day -- like my first encounter with the late Beethoven quartets). I can read the article for style and structure, but I'm really just a well-read amateur, which is why I'm usually restricting myself to music and earth sciences these days, topics where I have credentials. As of bigger picture issues -- at the moment I don't feel a whole lot of hope, but if people like you help out one article at a time, this is all good. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hatnote on The Garden of Earthly Delights

Would you mind if I restored this? I was not sure what the basis of your objection was, as it is standard practice to have hatnotes of this sort on articles to help readers to navigate to articles similarly titled. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

MoS would require the link to the disambiguation page. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Ceoil 00:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The supremes

Regarding The Supremes review. Although I nominated it for a review I am of the opinion it should be left on hold to give you the time to finish it. Our music related FA articles already lack diversity as it is, it would be very unfortunate to lose this soul/R&B group. I'm a little busy at the moment but shortly I can offer you my help Ceoil if you want it. I'm going to the shops over the next week and might purchase some books to help. — Realist² (Speak) 01:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, none on my side either, like I said I'm a little busy this week but I will definitely help, it is an important article. Also, I agree, my sig is way better now. :-) — Realist² (Speak) 14:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Tis' OK, it's 3:00am now so I will stop, every now and then I will keep looking to see things I missed. Glad to help, takes my mind off other things (including this darn flu I have). — Realist² (Speak) 02:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, I think that Jackson article will hospitalize me to be quite honest. Chuckle. — Realist² (Speak) 02:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

He does have some Jems that few people know about, last one I swear — Realist² (Speak) 20:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hilarious — Realist² (Speak) 18:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Painting (1946)

My response on my talk page (lk in my sig, below) did not reflect what i now know: i now realize that what you find ugly was not the word "Ugh" in my summary but the tag itself, and now i see (as a result of following my lk, hand-keyed from memory, to be sure had the valid lk) that you removed that tag. {{Cleanup}} is one of a very large family of "templated" tags for maintenance purposes, of long standing and laboriously adjusted to achieve WP's stated purposes. It's too bad they don't meet your aesthetic standards, and the removal fully deserves the presumption of another innocent beginner error. But further removal of them for that reason will result in vandalism sanctions against you.
--Jerzy•t 22:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Fetch boy fetch. *NOT A FUNNY ENOUGH CAPTION TUT TUT. TAGGED BY A TOURIST SINCE 1981.*

You didn't explain what about the article needed cleaning up, which takes away whatever tiny bit of merit tagging the article might have achieved in the first place. Your threats of "vandalism sactions" are pretty sad—this comes from an apparent administrator speaking to an editor who's been volunteering here for years? Perhaps you weren't aware that some editors consider the quick-tagging of articles with templates itself to be "vandalism"—so please don't be so sure of yourself in this regard. Your approach is laughable, and the reason that it has the benefit of numbers on Wikipedia today is largely because it has driven away most of the editors who don't treat articles as pieces of meat. (Hey, Ceoil, considering this started with a Bacon painting, that's pretty funny hey!) Nor does Ceoil deserve two sarcastic comments about his being a "beginner" (one on your page, one on his). And you're the administrator--marvelous! I think you owe him an apology. Whiskeydog (talk) 07:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• Ceoil, i recommend that, for the sake of clarity, you either strike thru the preceding contrib, since it is disruptive of the core and always presumed two-cornered-discussion purpose of User-talk pgs, or -- if you solicited this attempt to convert our dialogue into something else -- clarify that fact. It is misplaced here if you did not, and i any case i will not participate in a three way discussion of this matter.
  I have consolidated our preceding discussion and made a further response at User talk:Jerzy#Painting 1946, and you should not count on my seeing anything further added to this section.
  --Jerzy•t 08:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
  

? ( Ceoil ^sláinte 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency within articles

Thanks for your comment at wp:mosnum. I moved it to another section because it that section is about a proposed change to guidance. Would you be kind enough to give your opinion on the proposed change to guidance? Regards Lightmouse (talk) 16:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia

Coile, welcome to Wikipedia. I see that you are a beginner here at Wikipedia, yet to contribute anything of value, and thus probably didn't realize that you were violating WP:TROLL, WP:SPAM, WP:NOT#CHUBBYLOVING, and other important policies. Pursuant to strictures of WP:BITE I will refrain from responding to your various provocations. Once you have achieved sufficient stature within the community you will be welcome to engage me at my talk page, but for now you may experiment at Wikipedia:Sandbox. Expectingly, etc, XOXOX

Insane Clown Posse FAC

Hi. Copyediting has been completed on the Insane Clown Posse article. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC))

Message for you

Message for you on WP:ANI.[6] Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 12:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC).

Ceoil, I'm concerned that to be effective, you need to have an admin willing to work with you. Without that, I'm concerned that OR may respond poorly to baiting, and each time there is a perceived infraction, other admins will be quick to block. Any ideas? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Per this, I would be able to help, if only intermittently. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 13:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Me too. I think Ottava has a lot to offer WP, and I am glad that you've offered to help him figure out how to do so effectively. Karanacs (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal to unblock User:Ottava Rima early. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

On a novel that never has any action

In advance of any dispute, take a look at The History of Sir Charles Grandison before and after my edits. I can explain in detail each one. Ottava Rima's talk page seems a bit pugnacious about my attempt to smooth the language and grammar in the article, so, before that dissatisfaction turns to yet another Issue, I ask you to review the changes. If you have questions about specific changes I made, I'll be happy to answer.

The only thing that remains very ill, to me, is a statement attributed to Peter Sabor that Fielding's novels, such as Tom Jones and Amelia had vicious characters rewarded. Well, Richardson's feelings about Joseph Andrews and Tom Jones were precisely thus. He thought both featured heroes who were nasty. The reason for that is that Fielding meant them to be offensive to an overly fussy sensibility such as he detected in Pamela. However, during the writing of Tom Jones, Fielding began to develop his theory of the "good natured man." We can see the debut of this character in his Life and Death of Mr. Jonathan Wild the Great, where the character of Heartsfree is a good natured man. Squire Allworthy (not the hero of TJ) is similarly good natured. Fielding was thinking that there is a sort of moral essence to people, that some people do have kind natures, while others have nasty natures, and still others have natures that are malleable. His hero, Tom, has a good nature but has bad circumstances, and so he means well and does ill, but Squire Allworthy has a good nature and a good life and achieves benevolence everywhere. In Amelia, Fielding's last novel, he worked up the "good nature" further. The heroine and hero of that novel are so darned good that they're boring. Their minds are impenetrable paragons of virtue. Like Sir Charles Grandison itself, the novel was not well loved by later ages. In the immediate aftermath, it was, because that was the time of the Sentimental Novel, and these two novels were important parts in creating that beast (weepy people and gushing naifs). Thus, I do not believe, myself, that Peter Sabor included Amelia. If he did specifically name that novel as an example of a rough and tumble hero, then the statement needs considerable explanation. It is "likely to be challenged." I would challenge Dr. Sabor himself, in fact, if he said it, and I do challenge Ottava Rima to either excise that third title or be expansive on why it's included.

That's the only issue that I see as remaining. Otherwise, Ottava Rima doesn't like my changes, calls them errors, etc., but my conscience is quiet. Please review, when time permits. Geogre (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi.

Hello. I want to ask you for help in the copyedit field. In the peer review for two lists I sent they told me to find help in the lead section. It is a little work with two or three paragraphs each, could you help me with that?.

The lists are: List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2000 and List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2001.

Thank you so much, Jaespinoza (talk) 17:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Updates

Hey Ceoil. Updates needed on Butter and The Supremes. The latter has had some work recently, I see. Cheers, Marskell (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The Supremes

Its looking good, tomorrow I will fill in some of the sourcing gaps. After that there seems no need to delist and I might as well remove the nomination soon. — Realist² 22:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I can do that as well, give me two full days and we should be done. I have a huge headache right now and can't think in English. — Realist² 22:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The Supremes was kept, good job! :-) — Realist² 21:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Katyn Massacre

"No" is not responsive to what I wrote on Talk:Katyn Massacre. patsw (talk) 22:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Its a black and white issue. No is sufficient. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What is being disputed? That the monument doesn't exist, or that the photograph is not accurate, or that stipulating that the monument does exist and the photograph is accurate -- that flickr.com cannot be linked to in the general case, or that flickr.com cannot be linked in specific case of the Katyn Massacre article? patsw (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What is the world coming to ?

GAAAKK !! I reverted my favorite Ceoil today! [7] (WP:MOS#Captions, sentence fragments don't get full stops.) Sorry ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Pfff; never really got the hang of all that #Captions mos. I like full stops at the end of things, but what do I know; so its grand. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Moore's Box

Hmm, infobox? I really dont like these things, I dont think it adds much to the page. Please take back out. Ceoil ^sláinte 13:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Diego Velázquez, Hieronymous Bosch, El Greco, Francisco Goya, Pablo Picasso, Henri Matisse, Rene Magritte, and Jackson Pollock all have the boxes - it's MoS for these articles, I don't like em either but DON'T remove it, WP:IDON'TLIKEIT doesn't fly.....I'm done - do it yourself! Modernist (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries Modernist. Its a preferance only. It would be great if you stick with this, as a save is not something I can do on my own. Til be like the auld days! Ceoil ^sláinte 09:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem...Modernist (talk) 11:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

At Swim-Two-Birds

Hi - if you have anything substantial to add to At Swim-Two-Birds, please let me know. I am fairly tired of being the only person who has done any work on it in the past few weeks, especially since it's not even my favourite novel by that particular author. The article needs feedback to get it to the point where it might get GA status, but right now - apart from a few well-sourced comments about the unreliability of the translations - I am close to burnout on it. Thanks. Lexo (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Crown Fountain FAC

I recall your great assistance at my first FAC for Campbell's Soup Cans. Might you be interested in commenting at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Ceoil is a good person to ask. He doesn't respect the unwritten "nominator–reviewer" bullshit that requires everyone on our open, collaborative project to pencil in their smallest complaints on the FAC page instead of just fixing it. Oh, that's too much work, the reviewers say, and not their job ... but they can write up many-bullet-pointed reviews and come back four more times to accuse the nominator of being defensive. Good FAC review isn't less work; but good FAC review earns more attention than "just fixing it", and the reviewers want to "widen their footprint" regarding their pet subject. So successful are they in their endeavour, that, years on, we have horrendously long and contrived FAC pages. Yup, that footprint's so wide now that, years on, the same pet subjects must be mentioned by one of the same four or five editors on every FAC. One wonders where the "average reviewer" disappeared to. Well, he realized that it wasn't enough that he thought the article was among the best work that wikipedians are doing, so he shut up. When the job description is "critique to death", fascinatingly little of importance will get past the bureaucrat in question. Oops—I was NOT referring to SandyG here. I was speaking hypothetically based on my own experience with "bureaucracy". Whiskeydog (talk) 23:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Ceoil, I'm just a grump now, two accounts later, who trolls your talk page. But I did kiss your ass a bit. Whiskeydog (talk) 06:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries, Whiskeydog, it always great to hear from you, regardless of how catty you happen to be. Tony - I repect all the work you do, and I follow your FAC's, but stop mentioning your fucking articles in neutral spaces! We dont care ! Ceoil ^sláinte 09:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

(butting in) Ehem. Calm down guys. --Efe (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Efe, but this is actually lighthearted. Whiskeydog is an old dear friend (in internet years) and we are just trolling each other. Tony is caught in the middle, but he brought it. Ceoil ^sláinte 09:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I thought this is serious. --Efe (talk) 09:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Trollind your mates IS serious fucking business, but nothing here move on. Ceoil ^sláinte 10:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

checking my calendar ... nope, not Friday here! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Saturday night has replaced it! Friday night was better, back when I did something other than opine. and P.S. please don't take my FAC rants personally, they aren't aimed at anyone in particular. Whiskeydog (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Back when the rants were on Fridays, I got to rant, too. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Understood! Whiskeydog (talk) 23:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Tomorrow's Friday; I'm going to be packing. Where the heck have you been? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Travelling behind a firewall, thats where. Some twit cussed on my talk a few days back and sent the software into a "mamagemt have deemed.." hysterical spin. This is the first opp I've had to see whats going on with the FAC, and only just caught up. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll be travelling in a day and a half; unsure what internet connections I'll have. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, what an eye-opener this FAC has been. I went from 18 unanimous Supports in 24 hours to now knowing what it feels like when you know the material, know the research, and know the field inside and out, but have to educate reviewers who question a solid reliably sourced conclusion that enjoys widespread medical consensus. See the talk page of the FAC. Wasn't much fun, but I think it's beneficial for me to have felt FAC from that side of the fence: gives me a whole new perspective on what I hope happens almost never, but I suppose happens more often than we'd like. It also helps me see what it feels like to be in Ottava's shoes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Interjection - Sandy, I expected at least 8 more people to show up with problems. We had a list and a pool going on. I knew that no matter how many reviews or the rest, there would be people running in. I get to work on Byron and... ADA LOVELACE this weekend. I'm excited. It will be a great change of pace (I adore Ada, too!). Ottava Rima (talk) 02:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Ottava should have a similar eye-opening lesson soon imo. He is inches away from clue, but but but... Any idea why I have now have to cut and paste the 4 tides since the html dissapeared a few weeks back. My suspicion is village pump energy. Ceoil ^sláinte 01:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

My tildes are working fine, but I type them in manually??? What do you do? Uh, don't tell me I've been doing something wrong for two and a half years. What HTML has disappeared? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Manually? Lets just oversight that little admission ;0 Ceoil ^sláinte 02:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Test the little sig button at the top. --SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC) That stinks. I have to take my fingers off the keyboard, find the button, and then reposition on the keyboard. I can type it faster. Is that what I'm missing? You laugh, Ceoil; you'll be my age someday, you know. --SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC) Now I know where those obnoxious extra hyphens in sigs come from !! --SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC) Is that the HTML sig? --SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I suspect I'm already your age (im no spring chicken) but maybe that fact is between you, me, God and checkusers. Leave it at that. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I think Ceoil's just being incoherent again. ("village pump energy"?) Whiskeydog (talk) 02:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant. Whiskeydog is here. Go on; what do you have to add to this? Ceoil ^sláinte 02:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Whiskeydog, Ceoil was taunting me with exclamation points after enduring torture at this FAC. Was that passive-aggressive behavior? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your tutored editor

I understand that you're assisting Ottava in improving their skills/behaviour on Wikipedia. I'm not sure if you've seen the brutal discussion going on here. Let me know if I can clarify anything (including how I became involved). BMW(drive) 16:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, he's continued...he's all over AN/I with this. Stop him ... soon! BMW(drive) 23:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Projects

After Samuel Johnson, I think I want to rework Drapier's Letters quickly (I have three other books that I can incorporate in) and then bring this new page The Plays of William Shakespeare‎ up. They should only take about a week at most each, as they are smaller, require less comprehension, and they don't need to be utterly perfect as Johnson. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Seven part DYK on Johnson on the main page. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Poke poke. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I forgot - next week, I can pick up some more books about She Dwelt among the Untrodden Ways and help you work on it if you would like. That one, Drapier's Letters, The Plays of William Shakespeare, Byron's bio, Keats's bio, and Smart's bio. I hope to put these together over the next month (I can do it :) ). It would be nice to get a Wordsworth poem to GA/FA. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

We could work on a deal where I work with you on your choice, then vice versa, etc etc, and start going through these poetry and literature pages. I think we could finish them all by the year 3078 :). Ottava Rima (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, the page is only 15k, and could easily be used to cover all Lucy poems, including a section at the beginning for background (background to writing the piece) and a subsection with Lucy, and then a seperate section for each, then a critical review for them, then a legacy mentioning each of the takes. Really, all you would have to do is just add in the other poems, expand the criticism and background information a little, and its complete. It would make it easier to push more Wordsworth poems through than having to do each individually. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 23:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(Ceoil, You will have to explain where and how I contradicted myself about self-selection on wp/fac/sj. Me, never! Whiskeydog (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC))

Byron. I've been working slowly on it and have just stopped at the first half of his "Early Career". I have 6 books on his poetic career, two on his relationships, and one that I put together the early life background. I just need you to look over it and see if there is any areas that I should give a lot of attention to. I'm going to put it on the main space tonight (unfinished). And then we can have some people start working with it. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Get back, Jojo

Going to be out of town for a few days with no Internet. I expect there to be lots of links to discuss when I get back. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk to you later so; if this place is still standing after your absence, of course. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm back, where are my links? WesleyDodds (talk) 05:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to have picked up the new issue of Mojo? There's a cover feature on "The White Album" and an article on the making of Murmur. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Tony said we should get someone to copyedit Disintegration. Any fellows you can suggest? WesleyDodds (talk) 06:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I knew you'd be into "Evil". WesleyDodds (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Man, that was depressing. It's Sunday, we need to keep it funky. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm watching a Biography episode on Barry White right now. That man had an awesome voice. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I've finally got my library card working again, so I can check out books if you want help with something. Remember to ask very nicely. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Barry is not that famous here; although I see that the man can can sing. Feel free to clue me in. Ceoil ^sláinte 09:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dear Wesley, Son of The Great Dodd, if it pleases, I would humbly request that you step outside your alt rock skin and lend a much needed hand to the FAR on Henry Moore. In many ways, Cork is an almighty European Capital (well better than f5$&* dublin anyway...at least we dont talk funny) but it does not have a good art book store. Your magnifance might take time from her exhaulted duties to track down a book or two and grant us lowely annoying pesants a few cites. In return we offer goats, butter and hemp. Ceoil ^sláinte 09:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Iggy. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit

Hi Ceoil could you help with a copy edit of the Thriller album which is currently at FAC. I was directed to you by Indopug. — Realist² 14:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Synge

I responded. I mostly just need to know what areas. From the classes I've had on Synge, it seems to cover everything to me, based on proportion of what there is, which is little. He isn't read as much as he should be, and gets ignored quite often. However, if you notice something, please speak up. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Rosalind Picard

If you didn't see the one memo - the Rosalind Picard page is getting troublesome, with people ganging up. This was a page I worked on to improve it. She is a notable computer researcher and deals with autism research. Some others seem to want to make it into something different with little evidence, and its annoying. I get berated by the same group. Eh. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Durova

As you can see my patience is up. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Johnson FAC

These mentorship guidelines look excellent. However, it would seem to me that Ottava Rima is having trouble following them at the Samuel Johnson FAC. If, in your role as mentor, you could offer some advice, I would appreciate it. Awadewit (talk) 12:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Awadewit, I created those myself. If you have any problems or concerns about each topic, please feel free to comment in the comments section next to the star, and create a star for the next person. I don't respond to them, nor can anyone remove a complaint, so don't feel as if you will be silenced. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil, I'm trying to catch a plane, but I left feedback on User talk:Karanacs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if you've noticed the Cambodian campaign on this. Hope you're keeping well! Johnbod (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 17 - August 2008

"Oh, we've been called an alternative band before. But we eat meat, so I think we're disqualified: chili dogs, corn dogs, Jimmy Dean Sausage Breakfast."- Kurt Cobain Project news "My Happiness" (song) reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Giggy. Isobel Campbell discography, List of Nine Inch Nails awards, List of Soundgarden awards, and List of Pearl Jam awards reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Red157, Drewcifer3000, -5-, and Be Black Hole Sun. Flea (musician) was featured on the Main Page on August 19. We collaborated on "Interstate Love Song", The Smiths, Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends, Sub Pop, and Bleach (album) during the past month. During the month of August, Superunknown, Vs. (Pearl Jam album), Black Holes & Revelations, "Clocks" (song), and Disintegration were promoted to good article status. We are currently discussing various alternative rock albums as possible candidates for a project-wide Featured Topic collaboration. Please join the discussion here. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Velocity Girl - Copacetic (1993).

New members Corythepaperboy, Hiram111, Yozzer66, and Lugnuts joined the alternative music fold during August. Editors User:WesleyDodds

SoxBot II (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Document

If there is anything in this document you think should be included in the article let me know and I'll include it. Some of it is already in there. — Realist² 23:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, could you read the recent comments at the Thriller review. I think I need help rewriting the music section, to remove the quoting system and still maintain NPOV. :-/ — Realist² 16:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Krzysztof Penderecki - i tropar.ogg

This is an automated notice by STBotI.

NOTE: if you continue uploading bad images, you may be blocked from uploading. STBotI (talk) 00:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Martha Clarke

Hi Ceoil, I saw it last night. Thinking it might be fun to see the show. Apparently she did her original performances back in 1984. I left it in the legacy section, figuring you'd see it. Modernist (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Three Witches

I'm sure it could. Where would we start? Wrad (talk) 18:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I know you and a few others. Wrad (talk) 18:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Three Witches

If you mean the ones from Macbeth:

Johnson as Critic - on Macbeth.

"In order to make a true estimate of the abilities and merit of a writer, it is always necessary to examine the genius of his age, and the opinions of his contemporaries. a poet who should now make the whole action of his tragedy depend upon enchantment, and produce the chief events by the assistance of supernatural agents, would be censured as transgressing the bounds of probability, be banished from the Theatre to the nursery, and condemned to write fairy tales instead of tragedies; but a survey of the notions that prevailed at the time when this play was written, will prove that Shakespeare was in no danger of such censures, since he only turned the system that was then universally admitted to his advantage, and was far from overburdening the credulity of his audience.

The reality of witchcraft or enchantment, which, though not strictly the same, are confounded in this play, has in all ages and countries been credited by the common people, and in most by the learned themselves. These phantoms have indeed appeared more frequently, in proportion as the darkness of ignorance has been more gross; but it cannot be shown, that the brightest gleams of knowledge have at any time been sufficient to drive them out of the world...."

There is more. :) here for an online edition. I have the page numbers if you find anything worth mentioning. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

New skin

I don't have the new TV on the Radio yet, but I do have the new Tindersticks in. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Tindersticks? Is it any good? I always had a feeling of diminishing returns with them; ist albums outstanding, the second was great, the third was eh, grand.... Ceoil ^sláinte 22:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Moore

Sorry, I don't have JSTOR, nor I think anything with the depth of detail needed on Moore. We do need someone with a book. Carptrash? Johnbod (talk) 11:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Topic ban

I've given the interloper User:Whiskeydog a formal topic ban and some miscellaneous editing restrictions for his conduct, per our convo on Skype. --JayHenry (talk) 22:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Have their been previous discussions on Wikipedia, perhaps RFCs or ANIs or ANAEs about the use of corporal prevention (nothing is punitive)? Also, do we know if Wikipedia editors are subject to the restrictions of the Geneva Conventions in terms of using torture as an instrument of prevention, deterrence, and enforcing dogmas? I vote yes on all scores. --JayHenry (talk) 22:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Dont you worry your pretty little head about all that complicated stuff. Juist do as I wish and it will all be fine. Ceoil ^sláinte

Re: "We could cut off his hands or feeth or someting" -- are you proposing to cut of his feet or his teeth? I vote yes on all scores. --JayHenry (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think dent warnings should always be out; now I'm going to go back to fretting my pretty big head over Hurricane Ike. Safer than all the chopped feet, teeth and cackles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I assume from your spamlink that you are implying that you are my uncle and I your faithful nephew. If that is the case I accept and agree with your analogy, dear uncle. --JayHenry (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

As for noods, an old paramour of mine had a copious collection of pornography, but I found the subject of the collection repulsive. If I'm correct, however, it's very much your taste. --JayHenry (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Yellow

Well? Let me find out what David Brin said to Anonymous User "ponytail" on Wired News. And to whom was this voyeur really speaking? Who are you trying to kid? Who are you trying to convince and why? -SusanLesch (talk) 23:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"ponytail’s cynicism is exactly the rationalization for laziness. You complain about no time for serious reading, but have plenty of time to wallow in silly comment sections?" —David Brin 193 days ago, courtesy Advance Publications and/or Condé Nast Publications, courtesy SusanLesch (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Right. The TLD "ponytail.com" was open and I almost registered it, instead choosing the more worrisome "macvirus.com". "Looking for trouble," is the private conversation I had. In the University of Minnesota health care center, a few years earlier when my husband later walked in to some symphony and yellow-orange lighting bolts across the way. I believe it started with a "W" but I don't know opera. He painted like this. But my mother was a guarantor of the Metropolitan Opera. And you know what? Once in a while they even visited Minneapolis, Minnesota. I think I saw La Boheme with my landlord, a television producer for the what? Not the first college radio station on planet Earth, but yes someone was trying to prompt me for Burton Paulu's name because I had to jump out of a moving car, on a highway to Rochester, Minnesota (IBM, Mayo Clinic, and a few people). -SusanLesch (talk) 23:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Got as far as this Susan. I would say dont let the bastards let you down.....Your contib history lends you a lot of dignity; use it and walk away. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. "I'm not crying for attention, I'm screaming to be heard", "I'm not screaming to be heard, I'm crying for attention", "I'm not crying to be heard, I'm screaming for attention", standing in line to see the film version of Knocked Out Loaded, and whistling (only men whistle) "That's what they all say." Thank you to Graham Parker and The Rumour who know most of the lyrics. They were real gentlemen as far as I could see from the back row. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Q: Some people never sleep or only rarely like Dr. Buckminster Fuller who slept for a short nap when he was tired, or so the story goes? If Mr. Dodds evades the question no problem--but what is on Oh Mercy? Who produced it? And why did I ask? Guessing because I've never heard of Down in the Groove. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

A: track listing. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Try this and this for similar; esp. if you never sleep (i sleep 3-4 hrs per night). Ceoil ^sláinte 14:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Instead I think I'll update Microsoft Windows XP and my antivirus software, F-Prot from Iceland. You know why? No offense whatever intended but Mr. Dodds still hasn't answered any questions I asked him on your talk page. Or did I miss something? Doesn't matter? Well in this context, I think the difference is in producers, Daniel Lanois on the one hand (Oh Mercy, ref) and "unlisted" on the other (Down in the Groove, ref). But I don't know, thus the question, raised when Mr. Dodds changed Bob Dylan from a "folk rock" to a "folk, rock" artist (I thought he might know something about it, ref). So clearly I asked the wrong question. Peace, love, and best wishes for your project. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Our friend mr Doggs is a prickily fellow when it comes to genres, but - blast him - he is usually right. When it comes to Dylan, I prefer some of the mid and all of the later stuff. And of course all of Lanois. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Celtic Revival

You might look at this, which was very narrow & still needs lots of work. I see the sculpture is sorted. Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

On this, should I list the sermons like that, or should I have a separate page for the two volumes of the work originally published under Taylor? I believe that it would be better to have one page dedicated to all of the sermons, and to have about 2 paragraphs on each summarizing content and connections to other works. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The Henry More page makes my head spin. I think its the captions of the pictures being too long. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Rawk

Yes, mighty. Here's my end: [8] WesleyDodds (talk) 22:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

This song has a pretty good groove. [9] WesleyDodds (talk) 05:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

This greatly amuses me. That's all you'll ever need to know! WesleyDodds (talk) 03:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Let me guess. Three replies to yourself. That must mean, refer all questions to Mark Knopfler care of Warner Bros.? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Woops, forgot transportation and postage! Sorry to interrupt your conversation and sorry to not follow a single link in this section, because cool URLs don't change! What is a URI? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

And what, I would ask if I could, did Eric Clapton mean by selling "product"? Is he a knight too now? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to be posting in this section, you best be able to name your favorite basslines at the drop of a hat. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, the avoidance reaction in action again? Well "Go ask Steve Lohr, I think he'll know." Who played bass? Grace Slick was the lead singer, and the band's name was at the time Jefferson Airplane. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It was What the Dormouse Said, by somebody else. Who? -SusanLesch (talk) 20:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey auld man, would you be able to replace the soundclip for "Bela Lugosi's Dead" with one that's not oever 30 seconds? WesleyDodds (talk) 02:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been busy playing video games. Here you go. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I haven't really been playing my Game Boy Advance SP for the last two years, so I though I should rectify that. I like the Legend of Zelda games; I completed one the other day and started another that I borrowed another from my roommate . Here's another link. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a live video of this, but it's not as fast as the original version. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

"Sonic Reducer". WesleyDodds (talk) 08:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Who are you talking to? I left days ago didn't I? -SusanLesch (talk) 14:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

He talking to us. With a mighty fine dead boys link I might add! Enough US 80s punk though, barny army innit. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I am not one of "us". Or am I? Too old. But I know have heard of a young woman who may accept, no, another barnstar, yes I was too chintzy last time. My sincere apologies for any disruption I may have caused. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What the fuck are you talking about...Too old?? Please. I hoped we were talking about Dylan, m'kay...but you know enough to mention Daniel Lanois, so you are always welcome here, as long as you share a few you tube links with us plebs ;) Ceoil ^sláinte 19:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, GA. Thanks a bunch, all my old shorthand notes can still be red. And you already know the best YouTube link on Wikipedia if you ever read Howard Wyeth. So what? -SusanLesch (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

link Howard Wyeth. Always looking for new music. Ceoil ^sláinte 19:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

1, 2. Wikimedia Foundation error. So what? Well I'll tell you what young man (are you a young man and who cares?). Sony knows somebody at Google, and you know what? -SusanLesch (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe the answer is that Colie is young and he is male, but from what I have heard (whispered over the dewdrops of a morning leaf, as it were) no woman would consider him a man, if you understand my meaning. --JayHenry (talk) 19:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. Henry. That explains why nobody had a bucket when Liza, dear Liza, had a kiddie car. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh oh, Jay (mr Cronicle-er of distars) interviens. Anyway, brushing past, alright Susan? I listen mostly to things like this these days, and I suspect if you listen closely you will take to it. But less of the young man business; I have a beard m'kay. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC

Liza above being Lisa del Giocondo. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Yessir, mother of all fakes. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Yessir, mother of all confessions, too. Thank you. Mea culpa, your friendly Internet douche bag never bothered to look it up. But you know what, Patti LaBelle can sing, "I Believe" and I might, someday be able to listen. To someone's version. Whose? -SusanLesch (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

More. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Liza might be out of print but in truth in this context she is Minnelli rather than del Giocondo. Barnstar sent and it looked pretty nice. I hope circumstances allow me to avoid all your talk pages for a good long time now, thanks for being generous hosts. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Mr. Dodds British Sea Power "don't be scared" is great. But why are all the musicians men and the backup singers women? Is that the "joke"? Sorry to return so fast. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah its great isn't it. They are playing in Cork in November, oh man am I looking forward to that. Oddly its a 200 capacity gig, I would have expected larger. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Am Liza, er sorry -Susan- do you have a problem with men dressing up as women? Europeans on this page....you know how we are...its amusing to us. So be it! Ceoil ^sláinte 00:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry poor question. Maybe eight. Or twelve men are in that video, or more. And maybe one woman in this one, but I missed her, she was here last night Dr. Frankl. How else would dear great-grandma never raise her voice to her family, she died before I was born. -SusanLesch (talk) 11:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Re Lucinda Williams: Lucinda Williams would be the first song that come to mind but there are a lot of others. Her self and Lanois would go well toghter, no? Ceoil ^sláinte 00:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Her self and anybody would go well--plenty of seats available. Guaranteed. But life has no guarantees. Which explains why no one I know can find a dentist in Minneapolis the weekend before Christmas, a doctor in the specialty I need, until January, or an engineer qualified to say whether an electrician can increase power on this circuit. I wonder if Mr. Dodds or Mr. Henry added the four Rhino albums to The Replacements yet, and if not who did. I see no replies here, so I cut some, and archived my recollections in my own user directory. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a reply. Frankly I dont see what the point of Costello is here; but listen to her voice! I never really 'got' The Replacements; dunno, a lot of that late 1970s NY stuff seems dated now and mostly cold. Whatever - can't find the Emmylou Harris version of this, but its track 1 on Wrecking Ball. Pff; what can you do, eh. Ceoil ^sláinte 04:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Your homework for tonight: [10]. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Geometry of Fear

Not my field, but can you point me to info on it/images. Ty 04:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Is the choice Reg Butler or Lynn Chadwick? If so, I can't see the "direct contrast", only the direct influence! Compare them both with Moore's King and Queen. I suppose the other two are more "spikey", if that's the difference, but they are really a development of his work (my OR, unless there's a ref somewhere). I'm not sure I could make any clear decision between Chadwick and Butler here. The Geometry of Fear part needs to mention the relevant sculptors - none is named. Feel free to revert/amend my edits, as you know more about what is required for FA than I do. Ty 04:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's a better Chadwick for the purpose.[11] A nice selection here.[12] A good EL? Here's my choice to date.[13] Ty 05:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I can do the FU, but it needs some supporting text in the article first. The fact that it's an Arts Council show will help - non-commercial, and that they have used it as the key representative image. Ty 05:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil - good choice, go with the Chadwick piece, Chadwick is one of the best known of the group..as Ty suggests. Modernist (talk) 05:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Modernist, I have been looking at different Chadwick peices for the last while. They.Are.Just.Great. Ceoil ^sláinte 05:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think a Chadwick can work to show Moore's influence..Modernist (talk) 05:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

h-lujah

Thank you, more than words can say! [14] Why much such the simplest and most sensible acts also be the rarest? This is becoming a fight for an encyclopedia for adults, Ceoil, for people who want to put something into articles, rather than on top of them. Whiskeydog (talk) 06:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The Public Enemy y-link... they were from the generation when I sorta listened to this stuff. Thanks for reminding me they were rap geniuses compared to the stuff these days. This led me down a strange memory lane which first went to Metallica's video for One, which is a horribly moving thing (this coming from the guy who once called himself "Isolation Booth", so maybe it's worse for me). On the subject of pain, I was then reminded of a "jazz" tune by Roland Kirk, the man who could play a few saxophones at once, called "The Inflated Tear". I've never heard pain expressed like this in music; he was blind and had kidney failure, I think, at the the time. (I can't find a music link, unless you're in the US, which doesn't help us [15].) Back to the subject of war, I've been wanting to send you Strauss's Metamorphosen but it's a longer work; here's a chopped-up youtube performance [16]. But you need an uncut recording and good audio to enjoy it. Whiskeydog (talk) 07:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Whiskeydog, although the levels of irony dug here are deep, between you me, Jay, Sandy, and our Fat Friend; I'll to cut through them to say "The Inflated Tear" hits me too. Thanks and Best. Paul. Ceoil ^sláinte 08:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

(Were you familiar with it already?) Whiskeydog (talk) 09:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No, and frankly it took me a few listens to get into it. But it is just 'aking' and highly dignified; more please! Ceoil ^sláinte 09:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil! Put JayHenry back on the enemies list. He got me into this. Or was it you? In that case, put yourself on my enemies list, please. You have one-time permission to edit my user page to this effect. Best regards, Whiskeydog (talk) 03:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems that Ciole's divide and conquer strategies were more effective than even he realized. Peace in our time indeed -- now let loose the dogs of war. --JayHenry (talk) 03:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, JayHenry. Did you say you are a writer or a reporter? Apologies in advance for the interruption and question. Seems like this came up once on WP:ITN and you probably joined Wikipedia long before I had even heard of it. Probably nobody will answer because of my edits once upon a time, maybe (Greetings, Whiskeydog et al.). Yes, somebody else was upset when I asked for references elsewhere once. I apologize (again?) for the interruptions to the creative process if that's my mistake. Sometimes "fudge" is the only way and I've tried it myself. Where? Just guessing. Peace. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, anyone who would like to reply is welcome to stop by my talk page if midnight Central is too late. Again sorry for this GA review for the UN headquarters, but, outta time on this and that can lead to misunderstandings. Brought to you by? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi SusanLesch. Can't says I know you, but your links above (which you've now removed) indicate quite the elephantine memory, and an apparent interest in who I used to be. :-) Anyway, I look rather grumpy in those diffs, and indeed it has become adequately clear that my old account thinks article assessment is a pointless game. Since I'm not sure what we're actually talking about now, adieu. Oh yes, it is true that JayHenry's occupation as a sausage-maker does preclude him winning a Pulitzer! Whiskeydog (talk) 05:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

How many times do I have to tell you I am a proud pig farmer not a "sausage-maker" as you so condescendingly phrase it? We're trying to do the best we can out here, switching to organic fertilizer, putting some land into conservation programs, and even putting a wind turbine in the middle of the soybean field. I'm quite tired of you Eastern Elites with your ability to win Pulitzer Prizes spitting on the salt of the earth like myself. --JayHenry (talk) 05:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you remembering this conversation? As I recall this is the only article I started that ever ended up at ITN. My "biased support" referred to my having started the article for the 2008 Pulitzer Prize. Although I often tell people that I won a Pulitzer Prize, I'm afraid I don't currently have a job where I'm in any sort of position to win one. I have earned a few Featured Article stars, but have yet to receive any checks with my prize money. --JayHenry (talk) 04:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks! -SusanLesch (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

George Ault

Why did you revert the infobox? The box was not empty as your update comment suggests - No other explanation was given of why it was reverted either??AlexGWU (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes are html twaddel, add nothing that should be in the lead anyway, and are a painfull eyesore. Its a vey decisive argument, but I admit my blanket revert of you was rude. Still, no no no no no. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Now he's added a stub and an infobox. Why the fuck does anyone try to write articles here again? Templaters need to go work on a goddamn crossword puzzle, jigsaw puzzle, computer shoot 'em up, or something—none of this crud is encyclopedia building. (No, it's not "administrative"; the purported recipients of this "administration" don't exist, and never have. It's unnecessary page garbage in lieu of real effort.) At least when I'm bored on WP, maybe I add an image to an article, improve writing, or whine at you. Has it gotten worse (not the whining, I know it has; but the pseudo-editing) or am I just imagining it? Whiskeydog (talk) 04:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Come now, this is a relatively new user trying to help out. I know it was tough diving in here for me but I eventually ended up spending only 30 percent of my time campaigning for community bans, which is significantly less time than most established users devote to the task, and spend some time with content. When I started out Infoboxes seemed like a good idea -- a straightforward way for disparate editors to achieve some sort of uniform quality across millions of articles -- and it wasn't until I was much more experienced that I saw their flaws. It looks like Alex here, a young colonial with at least some college education has an interest in art. Seems like a potentially valuable convert to me. --JayHenry (talk) 05:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You may have something there Jay. I see you've taken my junking up of your recent DYK in stride. Let me know when it has at least 40 citations and is two screens long and I'll remove the stub tag. I'm thinking one of those "needs worldwide viewpoint" templates might be appropriate there as well. Thanks, Whiskeydog (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Whiskeydog, glad to see you are now come around to the "needs worldwide viewpoint" and "at least 40 citations" world view; but given the fuss on WP:AN a few days back, I though it was not so, and to protect myself I had to set in motion certain actions and events which will not become appparant for a few days just yet, and which I cannot now call off. They will mean that I now necessiarly have to align with you; and not as I had hoped, with dear Jay. Jay, I say this for old old time sake, only, but now is the time to befriend or find some dirt on a few arbs; Whiskeydog, as I took no chances in covering my tracks, you might do the same.

For both our sakes, W-Dog, best we take this off-wiki and discuss in private, least Jay figures out whats going on before it is too late for him. You know how crafty he is. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Be careful what you wish for -- I've got an admin and most of the ArbCom mailing list in my pocket[17][18][19] (I've even taken brave stands to curry favor). The bureaucrats beg to make me an admin, but I decline. I do not yet need the nuclear option, but if your threats do not desist--I will be like America to your Iran and I will refuse to take the nuclear option off the table--no matter how destabilizing my hubris may be toward world affairs. --JayHenry (talk) 02:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, my people are surprised you had it it in you to come back; but not really impressed, mr Jay, given it is only the internet, so far, Henry, my friend. Its interesting that I only have to mention Whiskeydog's head and already you mention nuclear power, a weakness there; it seems we are not all that different, excepy you are very weak and have weakness, and I am very strong, and have none. 0.743m British pounds please; or €1.0m euroes. Within 3 fiscal quarters. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:46, 17 September 208 (UTC)

Do you think I'm easily phased by mockery of the strength of my currency? So much WP:HARASS#OUT threatening and WP:ABF in a single edit? Shall I start compiling an RFC against you in my user space? Or will it be too easy? Ho-hum. It's like playing Scrabble against a French baby. --JayHenry (talk) 02:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Obvoisly we would need to agree on captilasitation and depreciation rates (my estimation is whiskeydog is loosing around 18% of his markey vale per q) and given current performance we might have to consider scrap vale. What you turn him into, which country would take him? Some sort of; eh, help me out here, friench fry contaier, for the land of the .....? Ceoil ^sláinte 02:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm bankrupt. I've let the template asses eat my alive. Yes, it's my fault; am bothered way too easily. A minor painter named George Ault drowned, and now his article is drowning. Soon the three paragraphs I put together will each have their own "heading". Soon someone will add some template that passively says that the article is missing something. It wasn't supposed to work like this. Adding to wikipedia was once something I put a specific effort into [old account], for my own small part. Once you realize that the average user tends to degrade even the simplest cogent articles as articles; that very few people have any appreciation for the text as the fundamental of an "encyclopedia"; and that all kinds of structures are now in place for this to be permanent, you have to forget about adding to wikipedia in a meaningful way. Unless you're an unfailing optimist or a Buddhist. You can auction off my assets Ceoil and buy yourself a nice piece of blown glass, and also get JayHenry a box of chocolates under $10 please. This exchange of goods will surely help you two make up! Whiskeydog (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I would like to take a moment to apologize to the French babies of the world, most of whom are much better at spelling than this. --JayHenry (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

{{Infobox loser association | bgcolour = #6495ED | name = <a secret> | image = | imagesize = <a secret> | caption = Secret conspiracy (ha! ha! erk! erk...) }}

I have emailed you a number of important and highly secret documents stolen from our man on commons. Please reply in 8px text, least JH (code for you know who) discovers whats afoot. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Update: I've reverted the fucking thing. Ceoil ^sláinte 19:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

That's good of you, in a fight-tha-power kind of way. I'd given up, as you can see where I added to the article without removing the infobox. Friedrich also ended up with an infobox, which I just really noticed today when Modernist assessed it as 'start'. Which is not true, so I changed it to 'B'. If you're feeling like a real rebel, you could remove that box too. He already looks goofy-romantic in that portrait, then we're framing him in another goofy frame. Finally, JanHenry told me by email that he is sorry for misspelling your name, and he thinks you're a power user. And I'm mainly going to use wikipedia as my myspace from now on, because it's all become quite discouraging. That's the update for today. Ciao Whiskeydog (talk) 06:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Henry Moore

But first, I no longer have internet connection at home, so it gets complicated since I can't just pull up the article etc. I believe that I have several books on moore at home and several more in which he is a major and/or minor player. I have a lot of pictures of his work in the USA, some of which might be posted already, but my hassels with the copywrite police here have caused me to back off a bit. Anyway, when I get back on line I shall try and remember to get involved. life is good. EInar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ceoil, Moore's been pfranced, as you requested. Are you guys planning to do more with the article? I'd like to see more analysis/aesthetic understanding but I wouldn't delay proceedings over that. Whiskeydog (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My next creation will be...

Scream/Childhood. — Realist² 00:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved, but the comment was funny lol. — Realist² 02:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

If your a bit down this might make you laugh. — Realist² 02:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a friend list which you've been on for a while and I have a list of people you hate me aswell. Lol, I'll add Dr. America, he doesn't like me. — Realist² 02:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I see that my arch-nemesis and mortal-foe Ceoile is on this list and I am not. I subscribe to the "Bush Doctrine": "If you are not with me, you're against me." You are on the way to destruction. You have no chance to survive make your time. --JayHenry (talk) 03:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Realist, he not joking either. Maybe best option is a short chat with family and friends, tend to some final documents and a go quite walk in an orange feild to consider how beautful life was. Look at what happened dear User:Whiskeydog; we hardly knew him, but eh, its wiki, and he knew what time it was. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Once Whiskey said "Ceoil, Moore's been pfranced", clocks started ticking, and large men boarded a plain from moscow, same day return, to Cork. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

If any admins are reading this; yeah, I put hits on wikipedia editors (not many mind, but a few), but I do it in a civil manner and never personally attack them before they have their affairs in order). Ceoil ^sláinte 00:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

In reference to my latest interest Scream/Childhood. Would you be able to help with a fair use image of the "Childhood" music video? Currently the article sucks pro's wise but at the moment I'm just trying to find every scrap of info available and will come to the pro's clean up last. User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult will add some info later and I have a friend outside of wiki to get more. At some point there will be audio samples, but I haven't considered what section of the songs I would like to use yet. I'm going to be splitting my time between that and this. Also thank you for the RfA comment, but it will be some while yet. Disgruntled editors don't forget fast. — Realist² 21:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Meshuggah help

Greetings Ceoil! Ealdgyth told me some time ago that you would help me... I would be glad if you can have a look at Meshuggah and do a read-over of the article, just to catch any jargon, etc. Your comments/suggestions on Wikipedia:Peer review/Meshuggah/archive2 would be very appreciated... Thanks, have a nice day!--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 12:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

That is great that you will help me! Thanks for the cotacts as well!

I also recommend you to download the whole discography. If you like DEI, you will like it all :) "See" you soon...Cheers--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 14:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Byron

I created George Gordon Byron's early life. I wanted to ensure that the Byron article wont have the same problems as the Johnson article. I am still working on the Byron article here: User:Ottava Rima/Byron. Could you look it over and help make the early life sections a summary of the early life page that I created? I am horrible with summary style. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Columbus Day

		The Audio Barnstar
		To Ceoil, hope you can accept yet another barnstar. Thanks for your help with some lurkers. Happy Columbus Day in the United States which is upcoming on October 13. -SusanLesch (talk) 10:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

mp3 courtesy amazon.com and Graham Parker, sorry to ping again. -SusanLesch (talk) 10:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.[20] Ceoil ^sláinte 10:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

How sweet. Thanks. I also thanked you on my user page today. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! She moved Through the Fair is a serious track for us Irish....Of course there there are many, many, versions; but this is one of the best. Ceoil ^sláinte 01:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

You and JayHenry are mentioned on my user page today. I will let him know as well. Cheers. Are you doing okay? -SusanLesch (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Gondjout

Thanks for your help with the article! I will work on adressing your opposition. Basically this is the jist of his life: it is incredibly hard to find any more. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 19:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Really, pretty much nothing else is available. I looked through all my sources and produced what we have today. It might need some copyediting, sure, but I think that is probably the only thing it needs. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 10:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Send me an email, and I'll reply back with the PDF. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI I have replied to your comments. Could you help with the copyediting since I'm horrendous at it? the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 20:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Drums

• "Happy Jack"

Cheesy; but the drummer is great. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• "Cherub Rock"
• "She's Lost Control"

Of course; possily the.best.song.ever. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• "In 'n Out of Grace"
• "Tommy Gun"
• "March of the Pigs"
• "Poison"

Yeah . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 02:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh man; going through them now. But how could I have forgotten[21] Ceoil ^sláinte 02:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The correct answer is [22]. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes; for sure. I've been glued to early Can for a few hours now, not thinking straight. Ceoil ^sláinte 03:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I suggest you check out the massive effort going on at OK Computer right now. Brandt Luke Zorn suggested making a Featured Topic out of it, so also drop in on the singles articles. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Being dead...

[23] ...is about finding a new job. Being premature would be saying I'm completely back. How's things? Kafka Liz (talk) 10:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

MHHH

When are we working on Wordsworth? If you don't remind me or get in touch with me, I will just whip up a sample page for the Lucy poems this weekend in my subspace and dump a large amount of notes on the talk page for you. I'm thinking about doing these (in this order) - Wordsworth Lucy poems, Byron page, Shelley's Prometheus Unbound, Keats's Hyperions, Blake's Jerusalem, Keats's bio, some Byron poem, then Blake's bio. 8 pages that we are going to work on towards GA/FA status. These must be done before the end of November. :P Then we can double back and hit other things. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, then, I'll dump notes on a subpage for Wordsworth that includes what M H Abrams says on the poems, Harold Bloom says, and Geoffrey Hartman says, plus many lesser known scholars. I'll also prep what I think a combination page could look like. That way, you can use it to base your ideas and you wont really need me for much else. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Appreciated. Anything on the parodies would be very helpful. Ceoil ^sláinte 21:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)