Cbeech

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More t to the point, the topic you are editing is one that has been subject to much controversy. I strongly suggest that any major changes you want to make you discuss on the article talk page first. JoshuaZ 14:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the intro. I realize that LBU is not an accredited university and am fully aware of the controversy that has surrounded this article. Here are the problems I see with the present article:

1. The information derived from Steve Levicoff's book seems to be more opinion than fact. I recognize that Levicoff is an authority (on what I'm not sure), but the problem is, if you are going to cite Levicoff's work to persuade readers that LBU is a degree mill then you must also cite the authoritive sources he uses to support his claim. Otherwise, Levicoff's claim is empty and mere opinion. Keeping this statement in the article would be unethical and bias. This article should provide factual information about this institution and not an author's opinion. To date there has been no other "authority" claiming that LBU is a degree mill and no documented proof has been provided to substantiate the claim. By keeping this in here it gives the reader a false idea about a University that may be a decent School of learning even though it is not accredited.

2. The claim that "only six people on the staff are listed as having earned a terminal degree from an accredited insitution" are incorrect. If you visit the actual webpage (http://www.lbu.edu/macfacultyandstaff.html) you will see that they have graduates from many accredited institutions such as: Tennessee Temple U, Liberty U, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, East Texas BU, Southwestern Baptist, Talbot Theological Seminary, Wheaton et al. This should be corrected.

3. The Diploma mill article is another problem. The article starts out: "LBU is alleged to match several of the criteria for a diploma mill". Alleged by whom? Where are the references to this allegation and where does their information come from? This should also be corrected. If their are no legitimate allegations then why would Wikipedia soil the name of this institution unjustifiably?

4. What about the info on Robert Morey? What does this have to do with LBU? This article should be on an article about Robert Morey, not LBU. LBU never claimed to have a class on Islamic studies, so why then would this be here and not in it's appropriate place. This is unecessary and excessive information has nothing to do with this institution itself.

5. "LBU has been criticized". Criticized by whom? What legitimate authority has made these allegations and where is his/her documented support for this critical assesment? There should either be a link to the source or this entire piece should be removed as it is undeniably bias in nature and tone.

6. It's obvious that this institution is not accredited. However, it should be noted on this article that LBU is widely respected in the State of Louisiana and in many other well known and accredited institutions (Liberty, Southwestern, Baptist Bible College,et al). It should also be noted that LBU received an honorary proclamation from the Governor of Louisiana and that April 2005 was declared by the Governor to be "Louisiana Baptist University Month". It should also be noted that many prestigious speakers have done commencements at LBU, speakers such as Dr. Jerry Falwell, and Dr Paige Patterson (NOTE: These speakers were also awarded with Honorary Doctorates from LBU). Why is this other information not on this article? It almost seems as if though this article has been designed to not only point out the institutions unaccreditation (which I am not trying to hide) but also to embarass and potentially damage it's long standing reputation. I do not see a problem with noting that LBU is not accredited, however, I do see a problem with avoiding all the information and inserting opinion that is not legitimately supported.

I hope that my info here does not greatly upset anyone (though it probably will), my intention is not to cause any further controversy but simply to find fairness in reporting information. Thanks for your time and I would appreciate it if this problem was fixed.

Louisiana Baptist University

Before making major changes get consensus on the talk page. Arbustoo 03:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've only been on Wikipedia for about three weeks and I've already been blocked. This is ridiculous, thus far I have only been able to work on one article and because my critique of it isn't popular I've been blocked, that's wrong. Now I know for sure that you are bias. Why is it that I can make a valid point and give a good reason for when I edit something but yet I am still blocked? I thought we were all adults here. Cbeech 9:14 am, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Actually it is because you are suspected of actulaly being banned editor User:Jason Gastrich. See the request for arbitration, where you name is listed among other who made similar edits. You should specifically request a Check User be done to clear your name. See also Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jason_Gastrich Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 18:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)