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Michael Nutter article

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I added that because I checked that company's (Conduent) website. I am not sure how to cite, properly in the case of Wikipedia articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.164.2 (talk) 07:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Good day. To add citation for content claimed, pls go to WP:REFB or you can use "horizontal" Template:Cite Web if the source is from the web. Thank you.07:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

TikTok Page

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, the edit I made to the TikTok page was actually me moving a section of the article to the bottom of the article to more accurately match the wikipedia pages of other social media platforms (e.g. Instagram). I was not vandalizing Lutein678 (talk) 08:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lutein678 Good day. You have removed big chunk of sourced content without an explanation - see HERE and that is considered vandalism edit. Secondly pls provide indepedent, Reliable source such as from the newpaper to support you content claimed. Instagram and social platform/sites are not a reliable source. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:30, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for any confusion- I believed that the "reception" paragraph should be after the introduction/features and when I moved that specific paragraph and placed it after the features paragraph, it probably looked like vandalism. I was not trying to vandalize the page sorry. Should I make a request in the talk page so I don't get banned? Lutein678 (talk) 08:38, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Lutein678 You can go ahead to move section, but state a brief explanation on the "edit summary" before saving the edit. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:47, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

UFC

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

What was wrong with the edits? 2607:FEA8:F420:98C2:F5F4:3F84:A792:FD33 (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

2607:FEA8:F420:98C2:F5F4:3F84:A792:FD3. Greetings. First of all we dont link country and secondly the table place U.S and not America so, the rest of the table will follow the same. Thirdly, city is as per source and lastly, the venue as per source of the time of the events were held.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 18:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Lauren Murphy addition undone?

Latest comment: 4 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Hi, Maybe the way I went about it was incorrect (i'm not a regular wikipedia editor) but Lauren Murphy fought quite a few fights and won the Invicta Bantamweight title while named Lauren Taylor. Why isn't the fact she was called Taylor in her article at all? I just thought I was helping out. My source? The broadcasts on fight pass. 134.41.50.148 (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

134.41.50.148 Good day. The article named is based on the name that is most commonly used. See WP:COMMONNAME. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I did not change the article title though, I just added "Lauren Taylor" to the "other names" column of her info box. I feel as though it is significant because she came to initial relative notoriety known as Lauren Taylor. Right now without my change the article doesn't even mention the fact she was ever known as Lauren Taylor.134.41.50.148 (talk) 02:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
134.41.50.148 The other name in the info box is the nickname of the subject. If she was named Lauren Taylor before than you need to provide source to support your claimed such as source from the newspaper. See WP:REFB for how to add source/inline citation. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
There are articles in the references section of her current page that refer to her as Lauren Taylor. Specifically references #6 and #7. Surely that's enough to merit mention that she was previously known as Lauren Taylor, a fact her article does not presently mention.134.41.50.148 (talk) 02:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
134.41.50.148 then you can use the source and add it in with the source. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019

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To review a new page.

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Dear Admin kindly pls review this page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhanush_Babu (Shubham Ghodke) 11:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Shubhamghodke3904. It has been reviewed - see Dhanush Babu. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA. Please fix this error - This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources, from Dhanush Babu help me fixing this. (Shubham Ghodke) 14:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Is this any better?

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:NCL_Division_One#NCL_Division_3 RDgooner (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

RDgooner Greetings. First and second sources do not support the content claimed. You need to find a few more sources where by the sources talk about the subject directly. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Request for a teacher

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Hello! Hope you're doing okay. I've read WP:NPP and the associated pages. I've also gone through curation tool tutorial and it's video, I would like you to take me up as your NPP school student. Thanks in anticipation! NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 13:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Cass - I have responded more at my talk page but Nnadi is not a good candidate for NPP at this time and I have advised him of such. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:56, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Barkeep49 Thank you and noted. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Kai Kara-France's full name

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Hi, I noticed that you reverted a couple of edits by an IP (that wanted to note Kai Kara-France's full first name "Kaiwhare") - citing WP:COMMONNAME. Actually, at least in biographies, usually practice in WP is to apply WP:COMMONNAME to the title, but to note the subject's full name (if different) in the first sentence of the article. So, it would be usual practice to begin the article with "Kaiwhare Kara-France (born ...", or "Kaiwhare ("Kai") Kara-France (born ...". However, the big problem with the IP's edit was that they didn't provide a reliable source for the (alleged) full first name - so you actually did the right thing by reverting the edits :-) Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Rsfinlayson G'day. Thanks for informing. Found source and added full name in the article. Best. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit

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Hello. I am a fairly new recent changes patroller who was looking to improve my skills. I understand that you are a trainer in the Counter-Vandalism Unit. I would like to see if it is possible for me to train under you. I have over 500 edits to mainspace, but I feel that my methods are still not as efficient as they could be. Thank you for your contributions to the community. 911ChickenCop (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


911ChickenCop Greetings. Thank you for interested in counter vandalism. Do note the motto of the Counter Vandalism Unit is Civility – Maturity – Responsibility and please have a look the "Goals" and "Syllabus" sections below to understand the requirements needed at the end of the course in order to graduate from CVSCHOOL.

Goals

If you're new and/or inexperienced, before embarking on a Counter-Vandalism training programme, you should be able to demonstrate that you have already mastered the basic principles of editing the encyclopedia and contributed at least 200 edits to MAINSPACE. If you have previously been warned or requested to follow guidelines, you should have demonstrated that you have addressed these issues.

When you have shown through training that you have mastered the principles of Counter-Vandalism and can apply them with accuracy, and can communicate correctly and effectively with new users of all kinds you may be able to apply for permission to use restricted tools, such as, for example Rollback, and STiki that will enable you to semi-automate the process, while understanding that speed alone is not essential - the target is accuracy. When you have achieved these goals, you can display the {{User CVU0-en}} userbox on your user page.

Syllabus

Competency Fail Pass
Knowledge and Understanding of Concepts

Able to correctly define and describe:

  • Cannot describe these concepts at a comprehensible level.
  • Unable to differentiate the difference between vandalism and good faith edits
  • Does not understand the key purpose of reverting vandalism
  • Can concisely and elaborately describe each of these concepts.
  • Can describe the proper use of warning templates and how to correctly make an AIV submission.
Critical Thinking

Able to review historical reversions and identify whether such reversion were correctly categorized

Correctly assessed fewer than 85% of the examples provided by their instructor. Correctly assessed at least 85% of the examples provided by their instructor.
Communication

Able to effectively communicate with other editors regarding reversions

Communicates inconsistently with editors via talk page comments or in response to editors who question or challenge their reversions. Communicates in a polite and professional manner and avoids biting other editors and harsh comments.
Application

Effectively applies the concepts and tools of vandalism fighting in a productive and proficient manner.

  • Cannot consistently revert vandalized pages correctly.
  • Is inconsistent in use of warning on user talk pages or uses incorrect warning templates
  • Has reverted fewer than 50 instances of vandalism in the two weeks prior to graduation – or – has reverted more than 50 instances of vandalism with a high degree of incorrect reversions.
  • Demonstrates proficiency in performing reversions, either manually or with a tool (Twinkle, etc.).
  • Consistently leaves the correct messages on vandal’s talk page explaining the reversion, and is able to further explain the vandal their reasoning behind the reversion if prompted.
  • Has accurately reverted at least 50 instances of vandalism in the two weeks prior to graduation.
Kindly note that there are many editors who were interested in counter vandalism course and abundant the program mid way due to lack of anticipation of the amount of efforts/time needed in reading the program material, doing assigned "homework" and exams requirements . Generally, it would take an editor 1.5-2 months to finish the course. So do prepare yourself for lots of reading and homework if you intend to proceed with the program and do let me know the reason for interested in this program. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:17, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

NPP mentorship

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Hey there. I noticed you were one of the users over at the New Page Patrol school who were taking in trainees. I wonder if you would be able to take me on? Thanks in advance. LampGenie01 (talk) 15:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

LampGenie01 Good day. Thank you for interested in NPPSCHOOL program. The requrement to enroll into the program would require a min of 1000 main space edit which you have 115 at the moment - see HERE. You can increase your total edit by helping up on many areas in Wikipedia such as copy editing, clean up typo mistakes, translation, sub sorting (see Wikipedia:Maintenance) or counter vandalism (see WP:CVUA). Once you have a total edit of 1000, please pop back here to enroll. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
No problem. See you in 1000 edits (as an aside, where can I go to find my mainspace edit count?) LampGenie01 (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
LampGenie01 see HERE. The 1st section is "General statistics" and the second section is "Namespace Totals". Under "Namespace Totals" looks for "Main" and the number next to it is your total mainspace edits. Let me know if anything else I could help. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I think that will be all for now. LampGenie01 (talk) 16:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

MMA Top Tier list

Latest comment: 4 years ago12 comments3 people in discussion

Hello! Isn't a lack of response to multiple proponents of shifting ONE Championship to top-tier status consensus enough? We talked about how it needed to be changed, and with so many people calling for it, it seems like the perfect time to change. Evilmichaelscarn (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Evilmichaelscarn Greetings. Lack of response does not mean consensus of changing the guidelines or many people calling for it and pls do not change the guidelines and place ONE Championsship on top tier as you have done on THIS EDIT -1 for this is considered a destructive edit and you will be blocked if you continue doing so. I have explained and provided you the link before as of how Wikipedia MMA guidelines works and which organisation is on the top tier on THIS EDIT -2. In my opinion, ONE Championship does not make the cut to be on the top tier category at the current standing and if any organisation "might" have a chance that would be Bellator MMA. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Hey, but the guidelines are visibly outdated and no longer relevant. If we look at the notability of ONE Championship as a whole, it is far greater than Invicta, which is considered "top tier". It makes no sense that minor leagues in other sports are able to have pages on Wikipedia and not a major player like ONE Championship. As an Asian MMA fan living in Asia, I just want to see Asian MMA represented fairly. Wikipedia is a community effort, isn't it? It shouldn't be down to one person's opinion, and as you can see on the project discussion page, there are several people listing valid reasons why these guidelines need to change. Evilmichaelscarn (talk) 01:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Evilmichaelscarn My opinion is based on MMA in Wikipedia what constitutes a top tier promotion and as stated to you before and also link provided to you that "a promoter must have at least 3 fighters ranked in the top 10 world ranking for one continuous year. The promoter will automatically drop back to tier two if less than 3 fighters of the promotion are ranked outside of top 10 of their division ranking. Fighters who has competed at least 3 fights in the top tier promotion where by those fights are fought during promotion is ranked in top tier are considered notable to merit a page". The guidelines has nothing to do with race, regions, countries but the guidelines above and it is similar to that of other sports the notability either measured by world ranking top ten of players played under notable clubs/team (soccer/rugby) or other major event (Olympics/Commonwealth games and etc.) As for Invicta Fighting Championships they are in the top tier as they are a all female promoter and many champions from the promotions ended signed by UFC and most of them doing very well in UFC such as Cristiane Justino (Cris Cyborg), Megan Anderson, Felicia Spencer, Jennifer Maia, Carla Esparza, Michelle Waterson and etc.
If the request from many editors due to they are fans of that particular promotions or because of shared certain religion belief, race, geography region, ethnicity then Wikipedia wont be an encyclopedia and nothing to define and constitute the notability of an articles but just popularity or by sheer number of of particular group wants certain promotion to be in the top tier and we might see millions of millions Chinese will vote Glory of Heroes or Kunlun Fight in the top tier if Wikipedia site is allowed to be accessed by in China. (China banned Wikipedia just as Facebook and many other sites).
I had the pleasure to watch ONE Championships live twice and I agree they do have have some good fighters just like Absolute Championship Akhmat (ACB) and M-1 Global (M-1) in Russia. Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki (KSW) in Poland, Jungle Fight in Brazil, BAMMA in England, Legacy Fighting Alliance (LFA), Bellator MMA, (Bellator) in USA and etc. and just like many other good soccer players/footballers but they do not play for certain professional club under certain leagues defines by Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, those players are considered not notable in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA I think a core argument is that Sherdog is outdated. Demetrious Johnson is no longer on their rankings once he moved to ONE, and that doesn't make sense. Plus, they don't have men's strawweight rankings, which is a major division in ONE with multiple champions from Shooto and Pancrase. That division alone could easily list more than 3 world-ranked fighters from ONE. Don't be mistaken, I appreciate your input, but I'm just saying the guidelines you're following don't work anymore. Evilmichaelscarn (talk) 04:35, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Evilmichaelscarn's example above shows how Western-biased the rankings systems are, and therefore the eligibility for the best fighters in Asia to be considered "top tier". A guy who dominated a division for years and was universally accepted as one of the greatest of all time goes to compete in Asia, wins three matches against solid opposition, and drops out of the rankings. There is a bias built in to these criteria. No offense (as people always say before dropping something offensive), but your examples also show some lack of knowledge of the subject matter i.e. the size and scale of the promotion. To put One alongside those other promotions is a false equivalence. Aside from Bellator (who should most likely be considered top tier, certainly the main cards in the USA) none of those one consistently operate in big arenas across several different countries, have massive coverage in national media outlets, feature on major TV stations, have internationals fighters from around the world, and dominate the markets in a whole continent. Some of them do one or maybe two, but not all. It is clear that One Championship is a legitimately huge organisation, befitting of top tier status. It is just that the outdated and not fit for purpose wiki metrics don't agree. BearMinimum (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
@Evilmichaelscarn and BearMinimum: Greetings. Bear Mininum, I believe I moved one of your ONE Championship fighter page to draft and nominated another ONE Championship fighter page for article for deletion which resulted the deletion of the article might upset you. However, I did according to Wikipedia guidelines. Secondly, I do know about Asia as I have worked in South East Asia for some years and had the opportunity to learn Muay Thai in Thailand under formal Lumpini champion as my coach and have follow mma for more than 10 years. The top tier guidelines is not about how big the the promotion or market share but how many fighters of the organisation are ranked in top 10 world wide in their respective weight divisions in regardless the organisation is a western or in the Oriental world. If you look at the top tier organisation in Wikipedia MMA page, Shooto was the Top Tier organisation from 1989 through 2011 for Japan held events only and Bellator was a top tier organisation from 2009 to 2015. One of the main reasons UFC have many good fighters is because UFC bought Strikeforce and World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) and with that many good fighters from Strikeforce and WEC moved on in the UFC, notablely Liz Carmouche, Renan Barão, Fabrício Werdum, Andrei Arlovski, Daniel Cormier, Luke Rockhold, Ovince Saint Preux, Ronaldo Souza, Anthony Smith, Yoel Romero, Nate Diaz, Nick Diaz, Robbie Lawler, Carlos Condit, Anthony Pettis, Jorge Masvidal, Donald Cerrone, Cub Swanson, José Aldo, Ricardo Lamas, Chan Sung Jung (The Korean Zombie), Urijah Faber, Dominick Cruz, Raphael Assunção, Joseph Benavidez, Amanda Nunes, Germaine de Randamie, Ronda Rousey and many more to be listed here. As for why Demetrious Johnson is not being ranked in Flyweight it is because ONE Championship Flyweight is 135 Ibs (upper limit as the standard) instead normal standard 125 Ibs (upper limit) as this is because ONE Championship based competitor's "walking weight" instead of the pre-fight weigh-ins weight. Thus ONE Championship Flyweight is normal standard 135 Ib Bantamweight division and ONE Championship strawweight is standard 125 Ibs Flyweight division. (Note Johnson fought in 125 Ibs Flyweight division in UFC prior traded off to ONE Championship). If you look at Sherdog ranking for December 2019 HERE-1 Johnson is ranked # 15 world wide in 135Ib Bantamweight division and he is ranked world wide #9 for pound for pound on Oct 2019 - see HERE-2]. The Sherdog 125 Ibs men flyweight (which is ONE Championship men 125 Srawweight division) is HERE-3.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 18:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
No personal offense taken, you are doing your job to the guidelines you have, but the thrust of this is that the guidelines are not fit for purpose (though Martin Nguyen not being a notable fighter is madness, but I digress...)
For example, take a look at Sherdog's most recent Top 10s[1] for the men's divisions. Of 80 ranked fighters, 74 are from the UFC. 74 out of 80. 92.5%. It is clearly biased. Fair enough, it is a US site, and its panel (whom are no better placed to decide this than anyone else) most likely mostly watch the UFC. John Lineker, a ONE fighter, is in the top 10 at bantamweight, and even if we take DJ as a bantam by those weightclasses, he is not even top 10? After being the best ever up until he left the UFC -- despite winning three bouts in a row against tough opposition in the 135 class. It's pretty crazy.
You say it is not about market share or how big they are, but the whole point of wikipedia is notability, right? Importance to people. The arbitrary standards for promotion's do not affect how important these athletes are to millions of people in Asia, who want to read about them and access information about them. So size, scale, reach SHOULD matter, even moreso than any ranking from sites that do not have any inherent authority, nor interest in Asian MMA.
And while we're at it: "Active organizations with multiple male fighters ranked in the top 10 in any of the 9 weight classes were placed in the top tier."[2] Lineker at bantam and DJ in the P4P are active ONE fighters in the Top 10s. BearMinimum (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/1/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-167295
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts/MMA_notability#Current_list_of_notable_MMA_organizations_and_promotions
CASSIOPEIA Nobody's saying you are the source of the bias. The crux of the matter is that the guidelines need to be updated. We have left several posts on the discussion page to have them changed, and it would help if you were to tell everyone how to reach a consensus. Evilmichaelscarn (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


@Evilmichaelscarn and BearMinimum: Both of you seem very frustrated and understand both of you are big fans of ONE Championship/MMA Asia fans. The matter of facts are (1) the guidelines are aligned with most sport such as using top 10 / players under certain club in certain league / competed in the highest events (world cup and etc) in their fields / competed in huge event such as Olympic, Commonwealth and etc. (2) The guidelines were not drafted/set up by me. It laid out years ago before I am an Wikipedian. (3) I dont work for Sherdog.com and I dont work for any MMA organisations that vote for any MMA ranking system. I was merely present the sources in respond to you guys questions/statement of Johnson ranking, Sherdog weight classes rankings and ONE championship weight class system against normal weight class system. (4) Guidelines changes in any aspects/areas in Wikipedia needs to go through proposal, discussions and seek agreement form Wikipedia communities and it is not up to lone editor decision. Go to Wikipedia MMA page to raise your proposal as you (Evilmichaelscarn) has done so and my talk page is not the right venue. (5) It is against Wikipedia guidelines to canvass editors to agree/disagree/vote on certain proposals either via in Wikipedia communication or in off Wikipedia communication (any forms of communications) and you will be banned if you do so. Every editor could give voice and provide reasons/analysis of the matter in hand in the discussion.
Martin Nguyen is not ranked in top 15 in Sherdog and even if we take Tapology ranking - he is ranked #82 world wide- see HERE-4. As for Johnson ranking - when a fighter moves up or down a weight class, they are ranked according to the new weight class and their formal weight class ranking does not apply. A fighter's weight do have impact the fighter's performance such as a fighter tend to be faster and more skills in the lower weight classes t and are more powerful but slower in the highest weight classes and that is the reason why there are many different weight classes for "the weight of a fighter" does matter in combat sports.
The ranking from the media/organisation is such that most (not all) of the ranked fighters are from UFC because UFC has many good fighters in the world at the present stage just as National Basketball Association (NBA) in US would have many of the best basketball players in the world same goes to many of the best rugby union players are from the Six Nations Championship or the Super Rugby or many of the best badminton players are from China/Indonesia/Malaysia/Denmark or many of the best cricket players are from India/Pakistan/Australia/England/Sri Lanka/West Indie or many of the best short distance runners are from USA/Caribbeans and etc - There are just the facts in regardless we would like to see otherwise because we have emotionally attachment to certain players/teams/clubs/leagues/nations/regions etc. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:29, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA, there is an error in your logic there. The reason we know who the best rugby players, badminton players etc. are is because they compete against each other in international competition. The way mixed martial arts promotions work, that is not done to anywhere near the same degree so rankings are mostly subjective and based on the deciding panel's preferences, exposure and biases. That is inescapable. The North American outlets know North American MMA and it influences them. Timofey Nastyukhin was ranked 198 in the world until he beat Bellator and UFC champion Eddie Alvarez.[1] He stopped him in the first round. Nobody expected it because they saw Alvarez as one of the most consistently top tier athletes in the USA. Nastyukhin showed that the class is there in Asia to beat any of the top guys, but this is not reflected in Western-centric tiers on Wikipedia.
It just seems common sense to have Asia's largest and most influential promotion here. I understand this may not be the right place, so we can take our discussions to the other editors elsewhere. You keep making the case on the current criteria. I think the unanimous opposition is that those criteria are not fit for purpose. Thanks for your time.BearMinimum (talk) 09:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.fightmatrix.com/fighter-profile/Timofey+Nastyukhin/95277/
@BearMinimum: It is how the mma sport at the moment. It is not like a FIFA sport organisation the are promoters and not all fighters fight under one promotion. I have explained what both you addressed and you also need to know how Wikipedia works. I might not agree or like a certain guidelines but I dont go to an editor and get upset of of the editor when the editor trying to explain information I am not aware. Sport specific guidelines is NOT about how much an organisation has market share or certain region needs to be included but by the merit of the players/ club / leagues standing of their respective fields and this apply in all sport specific guidelines in Wikipedia. I suggest as I said before, my talk page is not the venue to change any guidelines, bring your case to MMA Wikipedia page. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

To review wikidata page

Latest comment: 4 years ago15 comments2 people in discussion

please review this wiki data page : https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q77359124 (Shubham Ghodke) 11:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Shubhamghodke3904 Wikidata page is a page gather certain info of the article in Wikipedia. There are voluntees working on the sister site. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA thanks. can you please help me by removing Unsourced material from Dhanush Babu Page (Shubham Ghodke) 06:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 Unsourced content can be removed by any editor. You can do it yourself. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
i have added all the sources, but that tag isn't going away, please help me (Shubham Ghodke) 06:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 You either add those unsourced section/sentences with sources or delete them. Once you done that then let me know.09:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Can you please add tags on lines which i have to add sources, so that it will be very easy for me to know what all i have to add. Thanks (Shubham Ghodke) 11:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 see where "citation needed". CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Thanks for your valuable time dear, please check the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhanush_Babu i have added sources to citation. Thanks again (Shubham Ghodke) 12:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 all is good. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Thank you so much, It means a lot to me thanks for your valuable attention (Shubham Ghodke) 12:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Please send me a notice that the page Dhanush Babu has been reviewed. (Shubham Ghodke) 12:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 See HERE and happy editing.. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Thanks (Shubham Ghodke) 12:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Also review this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_skaters (Shubham Ghodke) 16:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Please accept

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Hi. Please accept Draft:Canoeing at the 2019 Southeast Asian Games as article so I can upload its official pictogram. Thanks. Flix11 (talk) 04:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Flix11 Greetings. You need to provide at least 3 independent, reliable sources such as from the newspaper about the subject and provide inline citations in the body text. Also, pls make sure the logo is WP:Free image where by it can be upload to WP:C. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Done. Please accept it. Thanks. Flix11 (talk) 08:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Flix11 Thank you for adding the sources. Reviewed. Happy editing. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

RE: An edit you recently made to Boef seemed to be a test and has been removed.

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> Hello, I'm CASSIOPEIA. An edit you recently made to Boef seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, the sandbox is the best place to do so. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.

My edit was not a test. I made an edit to Boef's discography, as one song was listed as "Wejooh", which is a typo; the song is named Wejoow. I had corrected the spelling. Infinitz (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Infinitz, it seems like the song is titled with 3 different spelling, Wejooh, Wejoo and Wejoow - see HERE-1, HERE-2, HERE-3 and HERE-4. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
It is named Wejoow on Spotify, and it is definitely most commonly known as Wejoow.Infinitz (talk) 06:23, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Infinitz, then change it. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Kindly review new article

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Dear admin @CASSIOPEIA: re-review this page as i have made some changes to it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_skaters. (Shubham Ghodke) 10:53, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Shubhamghodke3904 Hi, pls provide independent, reliable sources to support all the listed subjects. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 Yes added, Please check once. Thanks (Shubham Ghodke) 13:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 Hi thank you for the sources. I just checked the page has been reviewed sometime ago - see HERE. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 14:10, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Dear cant you re review it as i have added new people to it.? its not showing up in google. (Shubham Ghodke) 15:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904, HERE in Google search. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA When i type Sarvesh Amte it shows two articles about him see this HERE in Google search,
But when type Dhanush Babu it shows only one article, please see this HERE in Google search.(Shubham Ghodke) 17:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA please resolve it, link Dhanush Babu to List of Indian skaters so it can appear here after it is searched in Google search.(Shubham Ghodke) 18:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 I dont understand your concern. If you type a the article name, then it will appear in Google search which was what you showed me above. So what is the issue here? Secondly, when a page is accepted in Wikipedia mainspace then Google will index the page in their search site. When the page will be shown on Google will be up to Google and not Wikipedia for Wikipedia has not part in it. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: Dear admin when i search on google for Dhanush Babu it shows only one article about him , it do not show all they two wikipedia pages about him kindly fix this issue, you search about Sarvesh Amte for reference he also has two pages. Thanks (Shubham Ghodke) 09:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 As mentioned to you before, Wikipedia plays not part in Google search engine, thus I can not help. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!

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Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic)

(Shubham Ghodke) 12:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Time To Spread A Little
Happy Holiday Cheer!!
I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree
in the spirit of the season.

 What's especially nice about
this digitized version:
*it doesn't need water
*won't catch fire
*and batteries aren't required.
Have a very Merry Christmas - Happy Hanukkah‼️

and a prosperous New Year!!

🍸🎁 🎉
Shubhamghodke3904 Thank you and same to you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:35, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Dear i want to become admin like you, how can i achieve this .(Shubham Ghodke) 12:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Shubhamghodke3904 I am not an admin. You can be a good contributor for a start by knowing the Wikipedia policies and guidelines, helping in all form of editing - see Wikipedia:Maintenance and once you have enough experience (few thousand edits ater) you can participate in article in deletion, counter vandalism and etc. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Thank you (Shubham Ghodke) 17:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Alleged Draft: African Chess Confederation

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

don't quite understand the reasoning behind converting an article to a draft -- the link provided is the official web site of the continental confederation. fide, too, links to it -> https://ratings.fide.com/fide_directory.phtml?list=974

a continental sports confederation meets the notability requirements by default, quite clearly. otherwise, you'd have to apply the same criteria to the european chess union and convert it to a draft as well. no offense, but i'm not going to bother with it any further, waste of time. --esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 07:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Herr chagall Greetings. The source is a directory. What we need are significant coverage of published indepedent, reliable sources where by the sources talk about the subject directly in depth and in length for verify the content claimed. Pls see WP:42.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
the article is a stub, as that is how an entry in wikipedia usually starts -- if every stub had to be worked into a full-fleged article, there would be hardly any contributions at all due to time constraints and various other reasons. while i don't see how coverage of a continental governing sports organization adds to its notability qua function and status, (for without it, there are no international, regional or continental competitions nor sports events, making it the single most crucial and thus notable prerequisite for sports competitions), here are some sources and coverage from portals and media focusing on chess mentioning the acc and its board elections: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] -- on another note, how does this meet the notability criteria and is an article proper -> European Chess Union? where are the references and notable coverage there? a consistent application of criteria instead of arbitrary preferences helps generating future contributions from editors. (the answer is 21, by the way, not 42). adams miscalculated. --esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 17:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Herr chagall Add the sources you found into the draft page and click submit button. Patroller will review the article. It does not matter if an article is a stub or start or C class, the notability requirements apply. For any article do not pass the notability guideline s would be nominated for deletion in regardless how many years it is existed in Wikipedia. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 17:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Weekly Summary #395

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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What is considered undersourced?

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Hi there, this is in response to this and this article being moved to Draft space. Where can I read more about the minimum number of references that are required for new articles? I can see numerous sports event pages being created and referenced with a link to the official results (either PDF file or official website). Is this a problem as it fully references the information in the article? - Simeon (talk) 20:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Simeon Greetings. The requirement is significant coverage thus I would say it needs min 3-5 independent, reliable sources such as from major newspapers where by the sources talk about the subject in dept and in length for verification for the notability requirement. See WP:42. Sources from home page/associated sites/ club/ team/ marketing/ press releases/ user generated sites/ interviews and etc are considered not independent/reliable. For articles that do not pass notability guidelines will be nominated for deletion in regardless how many years they have existed in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:05, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA Greetings; hmm, that is all true in the general case. Perhaps I should have phrased my question differently: the notability of many of these articles (events of the Olympics / Paralympics) has already been established per WP:NSPORT (regardless of news coverage of any event in particular?) so my question is more specifically how to reference the medals/times in these events. In cases like this, would it be acceptable to copy the information from the official PDF / website and use that as a reference (in particular because that source contains the entire event rather than the medal winners)? - Simeon (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Simeon Sources that associated with the subject are considered not independent sources and they can not demonstrate the notability requirement needed. Sources from newspaper of the results/individual medals and about the subjet (that particular event) ware needed. (pls provide at least 3 independent, reliable sources and sources can be in any languages). Subject meets the SSN is one thing but the content needs to be verify. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-51

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