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BOP poll

Thanks for pointing out the above Brian, I never would have seen it otherwise. A poll of 300 people in one of New Zealand's most conservative regions doesn't prove anything. Do you seriously beleive republicans support repealling the Bill of Rights? --Lholden 01:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the ISP I use isn't very good. I'm in the process of changing. --Lholden 02:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm in the middle of changing ISPs now... --Lholden 05:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, tearing my hair out a bit. DNS problems galore. Grrr. --Lholden 05:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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Tim Selwyn

I knew I could find you at WikiNews! Selwyn's blog is under creative commons, and given that the entire pamphlet has been reproduced numerous times, and will be evidence in court, it is in the public domain. I don't know much about Wikisource, but I will have a look into it. Currently, I'm trying to find more info and get it onto the Main page's In The News section. --Midnighttonight 04:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep, sure go ahead :-) --Lholden 07:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Independence

That's fine. I've copied some stuff an anon user had put on the Declaration of Independence of New Zealand article, which wasn't really well placed. That's where I got the idea to create a "Independence of New Zealand" article. --Lholden 22:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Brian, I've fleshed out the Independence article. Let me know what you think. --Lholden 05:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CommonsTicker

Tena koe, Brian. I see you've been busy with rangatiratanga. If you feel like a bit of Te Reo, please pop back and have a look at mi:Wikipedia:CommonsTicker. Could be right up your street. Kia ora, e hoa. Robin Patterson 06:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

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Monarchy / republic debate: for & against

Hi Brian, thought I'd get you to check this section I propose to put into Republicanism in New Zealand. Let me know what you think --Lholden 04:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

another citation

Thanks for doing that other citation. I found WP:CITET, so I can do it on my own now, but I'm not sure if I should count [1] as a web site or an encyclopedia; technically it's an online encyclopedia.--BigShock 00:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:New Zealand Collaboration of the Fortnight

Hey, Wikipedia:New Zealand Collaboration of the Fortnight needs to be updated... :-) --Midnighttonight 07:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

NZ CotF archiving

Hi Brian - I see you've just archived the NZ Collaboration of the fortnight page, but it may be worth having a look at the discussion on the talk page about it... with the "by decade" votes, it might be worth having 1980s as the CotF and leaving all the other decades on the page as potential candidates for future CotFs (CsotF?) Grutness...wha? 08:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Meetup

Thanks for letting me know. I probably won't be staying that long myself (maybe an hour or two at most) because I have a bad cold this weekend. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 04:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar (and about time you got one too)

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Wilmot

Okay, delete his blog link. --Lholden 10:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, add your own blog. --Lholden 00:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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Re Tama Iti

Note your comment about slight POV. Though I can't put my finger on any words which are PoV, and certainly wouldn't be worried about defamation of a living person as all material is factually correct, I would agree the article as a whole is slightly negative - the difficulty I suspect is that for some people any list of their publicly known actions will tend to leave a negative impression... Did you have any suggestion for improving it?

Oh, and in a completely unrelated note, I see comment about you contributing to Anglican articles - any interest in improving the Samuel Marsden one?Winstonwolfe 00:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I wrote most of the original article, and I didn't intend it to be negative. Perhaps the negativity has come in later. However, I have to point out that I did buy a car from Tame once, and it was a very poor car (although I knew that when I bought it). Anyway, feel free to hack on the article as much as you see fit.-gadfium 04:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

AMA Roll Call

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Holden v Architectural Finishes Limited

Thought you might have seen that here. I sure am related, "Holden" is my father, Murray. I sat through most of the actual trail. --Lholden 09:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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Governor-General article clean up

Hi Brian, I think the above needs a table for the list of Governors. Or perhaps the GG list should have its own article. That would work better. --Lholden 09:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Such as: List of Governors General of Canada --Lholden 09:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, a list like the one you produced would be good, although I don't think the PM needs to be mentioned until the appointment of Sir Denis Blundell (this is the first G-G that, as far as I'm aware, was appointed on the advice of a NZ minister) --Lholden 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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National War Memorial

Yeah, I'm just a bus section away from it... I've been meaning to get a couple of pics of things around Wellington (including the Wellington War Memorial, outside Parliament). I don't think tomorrow would be a good day however. Re quotes; yeah I saw them on Monarchy NZ and thought I could use them on Republicanism in New Zealand. Makes it easier to use the "republicanism by stealth" quotes - also it allows you to show what is someone's views. BTW, do you study law? --Lholden 11:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Commonwealth Republics article

Funny you should bring this up, I'm in the process of writing such an article :-) --Lholden 00:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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Gov-Gen flag

Sure, although from memory they only use a small one on the GovGens Jag, I've never seen a full-sized one. --Lholden 05:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've just got back - bad news sorry, the only G-G flag was on the Jag, and I wasn't close enough to get a picture of it. --Lholden 00:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Silvia Cartwright

Cheers for fixing that up for me (succession box), I thought it might be a good idea, had a go then was called away. Onco_p53 08:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Source of Image:Anand Satyanand.jpg

Hi Brian, could you please say where you got this image from? I ask because although some government departments give permission for their material to be used, others do not (see Template_talk:NZCrownCopyright), and I'd like to confirm the image's status before using it in other articles. -- Avenue 00:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The Governor-General's site isn't one of the permissive ones, so using the image more widely might be problematic. It probably needs a fair use rationale to be used in the Anand Satyanand article too. -- Avenue 01:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Brian

Many thanks for closing out the Aoraki/Mount Cook move poll for me. It was on my progressive list of things needing doing when I was distracted -- and you know the rest. I am suitable chastised. Moriori 08:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Keith Holyoake quote

Thanks for that Brian. It actually says a lot about the case for retaining the monarchy... --Lholden 03:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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I think it's a silly policy too

I think the policy on honorifics is strange too. I've fought it for too long though, so I eventually decided to at least make sure it's uniformly enforced. What I never understood is the fact that the policy allows post-nominal letters, titles, and anything else, but "the Honourable" and "Her Excellency" made people upset. --Ibagli (Talk) 16:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Repbulicanism

No problem Happy to help. Looks good. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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New Zealand

I noticed you recently edited New Zealand. You may be interested in New Zealander-Israeli relations which I recently started. Respectfully, Republitarian 22:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the move, are you sure that's the correct nomenclature? I only ask because I see Israeli-Venezuelan relations (which I started, but no one has moved it) and United States-Venezuelan relations... that's what I mimicked...

Re. Thanks (at my talk)

No worries. It was a slow day at work! --gbambino 23:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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Merging Category:Central North Island, New Zealand into Waikato and Manawatu-Wanganui regions

Given your previous edits, I was wondering if you had any feelings either way about the proposed fate of Category:Central North Island, New Zealand. -- Avenue 13:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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G-Gs flag

Good news Brian, I got a pic or three of the above yesterday... all I need to do now is to find the cable for my camera! --Lholden 22:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that too. I try not to quote Keith Locke too much as his politics are very much to the left of most NZers, and (more importantly) republicanism does better with bi-partisan support. --Lholden 01:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Ahnentafel of Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom

Hi Brian;

Yes, Ahnentafel is used in English, chiefly in genealogy when listing ancestors in the manner that Elizabeth II's are shown. There is an article here regarding the Ahnentafel that may be of interest and help clarify things. It has become a practice, when listing "full" ancestries, to do them in Ahnentafel form here on Wikipedia and subsequently, several such articles have been moved to or created at locations with Ahnentafel in the title (e.g, Ahnentafel of Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, Ahnentafel of Harald V of Norway, Ahnentafel of Nicholas II of Russia, Ahnentafel of Prince Wolfgang of Hesse, etc). Charles 19:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Brian!

Great quality edits! I wish my edits could be as good as yours one day! But I will try, i've started updating pages with new singles and albums and such, I created my first page yesterday :D, ALL/2, what do you think? Any tips you can give me? Banzai777 03:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Places

Ironic, isn't it... although I am going to Fiji sometime next year --Lholden 01:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for moving the Proclamation of the Dominion of New Zealand

I am asking why you felt that this move was neccessary.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_Dominion_of_New_Zealand

It was quite difficult to find an official copy of this important document. It is a very short document. Why should it not be included in the main article? This text of the Proclamation being moved seems like an act of "false-economy" of words in the main articles of Wikipedia, in my opinion.

70.30.193.143 20:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

That's silly. The Proclamation is the source document to which the article refers. It doesn't matter how large or small the document is, the proper place for it is on Wikisource. --Lholden 23:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

No Mr. Holden, it is not silly. I went to alot of trouble to get an official copy of the Proclamation of the Dominion of New Zealand. I would venture to guess that unless you have actually gone to the National Museum in New Zealands' capitol, that you have never read the text of this document before. You would do well to realise that a Republic can be just as corrupt and oppressive as you seem to think that a Constitutional-Monarchy can be. Neither system is better than the other, it just happens that the latter is the present tradition of your country at the moment.

70.30.193.143 20:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I live in Wellington, I've been to Te Papa countless times and I've read the Proclamation, in fact I've seen the original document signed by King Edward (although that was at the National Archives, in the constitution room). I actually posted it last year on my website.

I don't want to start a debate on the republic at Brian's talk page, however, I have never stated that the monarchy is corrupt or oppressive.

--Lholden 03:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Me too. I had already added a quote back into the Dominion article, and left the following comment on User:70.30.193.143's talk page -- "But you can quote relevant parts of them in a pertinent article. So I have put a quote in the Dominion article. It would be extraordinarily silly to have an article about X but not include info about how X came about simply because that info appeared somewhere else which happened to be outside en wiki. We are supposed to be informing readers, not hiding information from them". Moriori 23:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much Moriori, for quoting the full text of the Proclamation Dominion of New Zealand (Sept. 9, 1907) in the main body of the Dominion of New Zealand Wikipedia article. I appreciate the kindness, and thoughtfulness very much indeed.

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Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Images

It was tagged with Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images/Media #3 - Improper license. Take a look at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and you can ask the guys at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. They are very helpful and will be able to give advice as to the correct tagging. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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Volume 2, Issue 39	25 September 2006	About the Signpost

Erik Möller declared winner in Board of Trustees election	Wikimania 2007 to be held in Taipei
Arbitration clerk Tony Sidaway resigns	Report from the Dutch Wikipedia
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Volume 2, Issue 40	2 October 2006	About the Signpost

New speedy deletion criteria added	News and notes
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Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand places

This is to inform you that, under current circumstances, the project page above qualifies for deletion. There are currently two criteria used to determine this. They are a total lack of activity on the page for three months and no individuals listed as members of the project. If you were to add a members section and add your name, however, neither criteria would hold. I urge you to consider doing so. Badbilltucker 19:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

GG table

Thanks Brian. I thought we needed to add the Administrators - as, after all, they've done some pretty important things... --Lholden 06:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes we should note that. --Lholden 04:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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Volume 2, Issue 41	9 October 2006	About the Signpost

Interview with Board member Erik Möller	Wall Street Journal associates Wikipedia with Grupthink
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Stop

Stop trying to distort reality. You have simply no idea of the true situation. I shall continue to revert the article. TharkunColl 23:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you trying to deny the UK its own institutions? Have you any idea how offensive that is? TharkunColl 23:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Her role as queen of the other places is a relic of colonialism. To say that she is queen of 16 countries in the intro is a willful distortion or suppression of the fact that her role in the UK is qualitively different from her role elsewhere. Dominions come and go, and all of them will be republics one day. TharkunColl 23:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Volume 2, Issue 42	16 October 2006	About the Signpost

Wikipedia partially unblocked in mainland China	$100 million copyright fund stems discussion
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BRoy Style Guide

I've just created a proposal for our Style Guide - HERE - please do discuss it on the talk page // DBD 12:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

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Volume 2, Issue 43	23 October 2006	About the Signpost

Report from the Finnish Wikipedia	News and notes: Donation currencies added, milestones
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Re:NZ Coat of arms

Any time. I've done things like that before - it's an easy mistake to make. :) Grutness...wha? 10:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Please don't bypass every redirect

Please avoid updates like [2]. According to the related Wikiproject the office should be linked. Besides, the redirect lead to the correct article. -- User:Docu