Bookyteeth

Talk:Vaush

While talk pages are generally a good place to discuss potentially controversial topics, serious and potentially defamatory claims still require impeccable sources during said discussions. Please do not re-add your proposed additions without sources to back up your discussion starter. Primefac (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

ah, ok my bad. Bookyteeth (talk) 21:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Reddit does not count as a source. You are indefinitely blocked. PhilKnight (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for abuse of editing privileges in relation to information which has been removed from Wikipedia's public records.
If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should review the guide to appealing blocks, and then email the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-enwikimedia.org.

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Administrators: Information which has been oversighted was considered when this block was placed. Therefore the Oversight team or the Arbitration Committee must be consulted before this block can be removed. Administrators undoing oversight blocks without permission from an oversighter risk having their administrator rights removed by the Arbitration Committee (per this announcement).

The Arbitration Committee accepted an appeal from this user and has unblocked the account accordingly. Izno (talk) 19:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

yipee Bookyteeth (talk) 06:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Just to follow up, if I wanted to discuss something like that I would need a secondary source discussing the claim? Bookyteeth (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

As I understand it, and probably WP:BLP guides, something defamatory requires multiple, high quality WP:reliable sources and would also need to show impact on the subject's life to show relevance in a WP:BLP article.. That this is negative, BLP material that has been challenged and removed, you would need consensus to add it back, and you would need to discuss the sourcing without adding the content to discuss it. Oh, what @Primefac: wrote above. You might might want to consider writing about some other subject for now. As Primefac is on the Committee, their guidance would be appreciated.. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

If you want to discuss a defamatory claim of a living person, and do not have sources, you should not be specific about the claim itself. For example, "Vaush has been accused of some serious activities - can we add that in?" The response will invariably be "please provide RS". If a good-faith attempt to provide sources is made, then the discussion can continue, though it's generally best to keep the conversation general until such time as those sources are determined to be reliable. In my above hypothetical, providing a Reddit thread would simply result in a reply of "that isn't reliable" and (barring a lack of any other sources provided) result in no change to the article without it becoming "a problem" like the one that unfortunately led to your earlier block. Primefac (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #82022

is closed. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)