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Al Biruni, What did he say?

Regarding 'Tashabbuh bi’l-kuffār' an anecdote seem to have been covered by couple of WP:RS sources. Though a little, but there seems some difference in versions of the anecdote.

Lawrence, Bruce described version

".. As eleventh-century Persianate scholar Ahmad Al-Biruni noted it did not matter if the Byzantine had first used the astrolabe; it became Muslim when five daily prayer times were superimposed on the Byzantine calendar. And to those purists who objected to his recycled use of 'Christian' instrument claiming that it showed imitation (tashabbuh) of unbelievers, Al-Biruni rejoined: 'The Byzantines also eat food. Then do not imitate them in this!' .. Al-Biruni was sarcastic yet he made a point worth stressing: .." ~ As covered by Lawrence, Bruce. Muslim Cosmopolitanism, The Idea of Islam. United Kingdom, C Hurst & Company, 2012. p 22.

Version As covered by Barbara Stowasser

".. Other mu’adhdhins were of “excessive ignorance.” One of them was upset that all available measurement devices and time tables were based on the (solar) “Byzantine year,” not the Arab (lunar) year, and “his ignorance made him at the end refuse to accept anything based on the Byzantine months, not allowing it into the mosque, since [those] people are not Muslims. Then I said to him: The Byzantines also eat food and walk around the market. Do not imitate them in these two things [either]?” .." ~ As covered by Barbara Freyer Stowasser in “Time Sticks”: How Islam and Other Cultures Have Measured Time.

• Which version is likely to be more correct?
• Whether Al-Biruni was answered by any theologians, if yes, then by whom and how?
• Any other sources covers any similar anecdote on topic of Tashabbuh ?

The answer received from User:Lambiam at Humanities reference desk: "

Stowasser's version is what Al-Biruni himself reports^{[1] (archive.org full text)} in his book The Exhaustive Treatment of Shadows (in the translation by Edward Stewart Kennedy; the original text is in Persian). .."

• Now next question is "Stowasser's version is what Al-Biruni himself" is more accurate from primary source, it is referred by multiple other secondary WP:RS like Stowasser but in context of 'time study' sciences. So is it okay to use Stowasser's version along with Lawrence? We shall ask this question at WP:NOR/N. Bookku (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Idk, if Category:Islamism can be applied or not? Bookku (talk) 13:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)