User talk:Bidgee/Archive 12

Sadness

Hi Bidgee, I'm very sad to see what has happened over the last few days and I'm sorry I haven't been around much and wasn't aware of the dispute so I could try to help. As I said to Steve, I hope you have a break and then reconsider retiring as it would be a great shame to see such a lovely fellow as yourself driven away from the project. I noticed an IP was harassing you about your retirement so I have semi-protected your talk page, and your user page is still protected. If you start editing again or otherwise want the semi-protection undone just ping me (either here or by email) and I'll take care of it for you. Take good care of yourself. Regards, Sarah 01:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh no not again.. :( Please have a break and reconsider. You've been a great asset and have helped me greatly. All the best, Aaroncrick (talk) 02:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Have a break by all means, but do come back afterwards. I've not followed these drahmaz so don't know all of the background and am not taking sides (I'm too lazy to do the research), but I'm sure that retiring only lets the bastards win. Hang in there and when you come back focus on something you enjoy. –Moondyne 10:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks all, I did break what I said (after retiring) however I would continue to add images but not get involved in dramas and adding sourced content. At this stage in my personal life I'm quite busy but hoping to head to Perth (well about 40k from Perth) in the next school holidays. Bidgee (talk) 14:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You'd be welcome to either join our Perth Wikimeetup which is expected to be held around then, or otherwise meet us informally :) Orderinchaos 08:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

WOW thanks

I see that you just removed all of the photos that I just added to the weather articles. I just wanted to thank you for reverting all of my edits. Have a wonderful day. --David - (Wikipedia Vandal Fighter). 08:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Bidgee's action were appropriate. As he explained in the edit summary. Aaroncrick (talk) 08:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for reverting all of my edits.--David - (Wikipedia Vandal Fighter). 08:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Per what Aaron has said, also the quality of the images were poor, some article already have enough images and also see the the images add very little value (This is not personal it's just basing a non-POV on the images not yourself). Also DO NOT use the rollback as what you have done (See: Wikipedia:Rollback#When not to use rollback). Bidgee (talk) 08:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to tell you this. I see Administrators and other users do what I did all of the time.--David - (Wikipedia Vandal Fighter). 08:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I highly doubt it was rollback. They would have more than likely used Twinkle, Huggle or Popups. If you continue to use Rollback in the wrong manner it may be removed. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Please don’t threaten me. Your trying to draw me into a personal argument. I'm not going take the bait.--David - (Wikipedia Vandal Fighter). 09:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It was the rollback feature (See:this diff) you used however as Aaron said other users/Admin's may have used a script (Note the TW in this diff). I suggest that you stop your bad faith comments. Bidgee (talk) 10:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, that's an interesting conversation. 'David the Vandal Fighter' told me off for removing the word "admin" from a claim on his userpage that he could be contacted on his talk page to discuss his "admin actions" (thus implying he was an admin) and so I took a look through his account and it's pretty obvious to me that it's a sock. Anyway, I came here to tell you that I reblocked the IP and account of that guy who keeps spamming his website to the Albury article. He's blocked for a week this time but if it continues with other new accounts or IPs could you please give me a ping and I will sprotect the article for a while. I will try to keep an eye on it but I don't use my watchlist much anymore so I might not see it. Trust all is well with you. Cheers, Sarah 05:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Sarah I didn’t tell you off. I told you [1]. "If you find another user's user page that has something to correct, it is considered polite to raise your concerns on the user's talk page". Please don’t start bad rumors about me. Thanks--David | ^Talk 21:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The above is entirely disingenuous. "David" your comments here User_talk:D_climacus/Archive._August_2009#Userpages indeed do detail your chastisement of Sarah despite her correct actions. Indeed at that time, rather than now, you then agreed with her actions and apologised with the words Thank you for your comments regarding this. I learn something new every day on here. Sorry for any inconvenience that I have cause (sic) you. Others please note I have left a caution at David's page to remind him that Wikipedia is not a battleground. Best wishes to all.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 23:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm Sorry for the comments on your talk page. I hope you forgive me for my immaturity. It wont happen agene. I hope you will understand.--David | ^Talk 00:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I gave you a chance but you blew it, I'm not accepting your apology after your comment you made about me on Sarah's talk page. I will not be helping or working with you in the future and would like you not to contact me. Bidgee (talk) 09:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Just recording for posterity that "David" turned out to be a sock of EddieSegoura and was blocked on 9 September. Orderinchaos 08:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Added a plea - with my very best wishes - and I hope you agree --VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll consider it in the coming days, at the moment I have a lot on my shoulders. Bidgee (talk) 09:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough - you have my number if you need assistance of some sort?--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 11:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Just need some time off my studies (a week would be nice) and head to WA. Hopefully TAFE holidays are not far way. Bidgee (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

WA will be just the ticket mate - a beautiful part of the country. Are you going to visit with our WMAus friends over there?--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 11:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I may, but I would be about staying 40k from Perth itself. I'll try and contact you privately (via email later). Bidgee (talk) 12:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll be watching for your email in the morning. Good night for now.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 12:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pushpin maps

Cheers mate. Thanks for your help. Himalayan 14:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
		To show my appreciation for you working hard to implementing the maps into your infoboxes as I had desired. Himalayan 14:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, get some sleep!! LOL its 16.05 pm here... I must be honest but I think the national locator looks better. Hopefully some time we can get some regional maps in the quality of the national one.... Thanks anyway!

I do hope you will reconsider leaving, we need decent editors on here. At times it can get pretty exasperating and I have considered leaving numerous times.... Himalayan 15:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Junee

I note that you are reverted someof my many edits to the article and the two of recent are somewhat trivial. If there are two sentences that say essential the same thing that little point to have both. its called redundant information.

These two sentences are funtionality equivalent so having them both is rather pointless (You don't work of Rail Logistics by any chance)

Sentence 1

Rail transport makes animportant contribution to the local economy with Regional Rail Logistics operating a containerised freight service that delivers various goods from Junee to Sydney.

Sentence 2 Regional Rail Logistics operates a containerised freight service from Junee to Sydney,[10] with interstate freight trains also passing through the town.

Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 00:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheers for pointing that out. I've since merged the sentences into one. Bidgee (talk) 11:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sodersten

Please see the article on Emil Sodersten and the discussion page for the Australian War Memorial. This may make it clear why I changed the spelling of this surname. I think you will find that the one "e" spelling is more widely accepted but if not you may wish to place a redirect on one of the spellings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archifile (talk • contribs) 04:09 10 September 2009

You should have gave a bit more info earlier. At this stage I'll be leaving it with the one e. Bidgee (talk) 11:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Push pin maps in infobox

Hi Bidgee, just so you are aware the "pushpin_map" field in IAP is not needed now; the template uses the "state" field to choose the map now. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 10:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the coldie! You seem to be taking a systematic approach to adding the push pin maps, which is very admirable. Me, I am too much a dilettante and so I am just adding them to articles that take my fancy. Great work on the Riverina articles, it remains Wikipedia's best covered region in rural Australia. :-) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 11:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Copyright problems with File:Kerryn phelps.jpg

The image is based on but not a copied from the original. Mine is a drawing the original a photograph. At what point does a photograph and drawing based on a photograph one and the same? Chrisfromcanberra (talk) 03:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg

Hi Bidgee, could you please check out File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg (Won't link properly). I've nominated it for deletion via CSD F7. It's not really needed for the article, your thoughts? As I don't have much knowledge when it comes to images. Aaroncrick (talk) 02:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Field day

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APN News & media

I work for APN in the Online department and they have requested that the information on our sites regarding particular assets (newspaper brands, radio etc) to be provided on a Wikipedia profile. Please do not revert back to the old version as it does not contain any information about the company and the previous version does not support the corporate image of APN. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmybassett (talk • contribs) 05:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Sydney Page

Hi Bidgee. I appreciate the good work you're doing here on wikipedia. You reverted some of my edits in regards to Sydney being Australia's fashion capital, though there is much international literature to support the statement. You said it was "not for the lead". I urge you to go and check out Melbourne's page which is basically a tourism brochure. However, no one seems to edit out all the biases or clean up the lead. If that page is allowed to have that information, then so should this one. Thanks. 120.16.109.237 (talk) 12:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ozjet

Bidgee, Please revert Av8ion's edits as they are correct as I work for Strategic PR and Marketing. Nick Leach is no longer the owner and Willie O'Neill is no longer the CEO. You reverting back to this infomation is misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Av8ion (talk • contribs) 21:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Strategic/Ozjet

Bidgee,

thank you for correcting the comments, we will add references over the next couple of days.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Av8ion (talk • contribs) 22:04, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Tony Martin (comedian)

I notice your recent edit restored a statement about Mr. Martin having left his wife for a book editor, saying it was clearly sourced, but I've been unable to find that in the citation given. Can you please check if this is what you meant to do? Stifle (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice

Your talk page editnotice states that you have retired. Perhaps you should change it (: Stifle (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Russian Firebombers

I don't want a reversion war. Please show some courtesy and talk about the issue on the Discussion page as requested. HiLo48 (talk) 04:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

It seems I have upset a millionaire :D - appreciate your recent TP revert.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 21:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Gandhinagar

Hi Bidgee,

As you can tell from that article's history I've had a hell of a time trying to do something good for that article--though I don't nearly have enough time to properly copyedit the whole thing and prune the bloated sections. Anyway, I saw your reversals, and wanted to thank you for your good work and for making me feel like I'm not some lost soul in the desert. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Bowral, New South Wales

Hi Bidgee, Thanks for your reversal on Bowral. However, I just wanted to point ou, that I originally created the km - mi formula for the distance Bowral is from the other Highland towns because I somewhat thought it was relevent. However, I removed the km - mi formula because I thought that refering to miles (when in Australia; we are under the metric system as I recall..lol) was somewhat irrelevent but I guess it is relevent if your so committed to having miles on there. Moreover, Bowral is not a globally and internationally marketed tourist destination for international tourists in Australia so I thought that the km - mi formula was not a highly significant detail. Anyway, I've solved the issue - i've now replaced it with the "1 kilometre (1 mi)" formula which is the proper code-formula to use - it looks alot professional as well. Hope the weather is good down Wagga! Anyway, thank you! --Xcharliex89 (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Woolworth

Hi Bidgee,

I added the Woolworth Limited company articles to the Woolworth cat. Caldorwards4 removed it because the Australian firm had never been part of the F. W. Woolworth Company but, after discussion, agreed it was OK so I started to re-add the cats.

Here is my case: As a defunct company includes many cultural articles rather than being a strict corporate shareholder report. The Australian Woolworth's was named after the main company and would be of interest to people reading about the original company. The links, articles and the description within the category all mention that this includes namesakes and document the name connection between the companies.

I'll obviously hold off on making any further changes until I hear back from you to avoid any unproductive edit wars. I appreciate our shared concern for improving retail articles so I look forward to your reply, either way.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Best thing to do would be to have Woolworths Limited category rather then chucking into the Woolworth's category.

Also there is no reliable sources stating the Woolworths Limited was formed to capitalise on F. W. Woolworth Company name. One can assume but shouldn't be relied upon. Bidgee (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like the perfect solution to me! I've read quite a few references that matter of factly refer to WL being named after the American company but I'll look for a reliable source to that claim. I'm going to re-add the Australian divisions to the list since they are a "namesake" whether intentional or not. Also, I think you missed some of the Woolworth Limited articles so I'll update those to your new cat as well. Thanks for your help.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong; you got them all!RevelationDirect (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Price Chopper1.JPG

Hello Bidgee, you labelledFile:Price Chopper1.JPG with db-imgcopyvio|url=http://web.archive.org/web/20010405063321/dairyfarmgroup.com/dfarm_graphic/default.html, but I cannot see that image at the destination, are you sure that this is a copy of anything on this page? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009 heat wave

Thanks. I will be more cautious in the future. I was however still in the process of expanding that particular section and have since further copyedited it and added references. I'll be continuing work on the article for the next half hour or so. Cheers. Nick carson (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It's a quote. I can't reword a quote. Nick carson (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I was in the process of removing that as we were discussing it :] Nick carson (talk) 06:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

RE: Your reverts on Wee Jasper, Burrinjuck, Bookham and Woolgarlo

Firstly and foremostly, I'd like to argue my case that the Southern Tablelands and Riverina regions are not to be considered remotely the same regions or part of the same region. They are totally different regions, I strongly reiterate and believe that. If you believe that the Riverina is part of the Southern Tablelands please provide some decent citations and add that fact to the Southern Tablelands page. Also, if you believe regions intersect - please recognise the other regions. I will now provide some reasons as to some of my changes. I think this has been a bit of miscommunication on my part - I should have discussed it with you first but I think in all entirety. I think that there is misunderstanding because these geographical regions intersect at these towns/localities and therefore, I believe they deserve to be recognised as both regions. Some of these localities cover a large area and are home to a diverse geography associated with different/neighbouring regions - so for example, Burrinjuck could be considered both Southern Tablelands and Riverina, not wholely Riverina or Southern Tablelands.
Okay, I'll show the evidence for why I made those modifications - maybe we could agree on some middle ground?
Riverina When I initially saw that a few localities of the Yass Valley Shire were considered Riverina on wikipedia - decided to look at a more official map of the Riverina to verify that. Map of Riverina Region according to Visitriverina.com.au If you have a look at the map - Burrinjuck (in the right hand corner) is on the edge (or border) of the Riverina region. Furthermore, the lake / dam itself is not within the considered boundaries of the region. Furthermore, some of those localities that you consider part of the Riverina - are not there.
Burrinjuck Burrinjuck is considered part of the Southern Tablelands in

• Totaltravel.com.au

Wee Jasper Both these websites consider Wee Jasper part of the Southern Tablelands Region.

• The Age.com.au - Note: The Age is owned by Fairfax Media which owns Rural Press, I highly doubt the company would make mistake on regions
• Elders Weather Forecast

Bookham Both these websites consider Bookham part of Southern Tablelands:

• Government - Land and Water Australia
• ArgyleCounty.com.au, a S.T information website - recognises Bookham fair as an event of the S.T

Woolgarlo Woolgardlo, has been the only ultimate dilemma for me. I just thought as it is considered ultimately part of Yass Shire as according to this website CountryNSWAustralia.com.au - Yass that it would associate more with the S.T.
In conclusion, I think this just simple misunderstanding and that these places both intersect on the Southern Tablelands and Riverina - so there needs to be lee-way in recognition that they aren't exclusively part of one or the other? Do you think that seems more factually credible?

Cheers --Xcharliex89 (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you lived or visited any of the locations?

Burrinjuck is seen to be within the Riverina/South West Slopes region ([2][3]) although part of the catchment is seen to be in the Southern Tablelands.

Bookham is within the Prime and WIN's broadcast area (South West Slopes) and is also covered by Young's radio stations (which again service the South West Slopes) and even the Weatherzone see's the town in the SWS[4].

Wee Jasper is something we agree on as I also see it in the Southern Tablelands (I didn't give it the Riverina cat but have edited the article).

Woolgarlo would be debatable but it's most likely that it is on two or three regions but finding what region is mostly on is too tricky. Maybe state that it's located on two regions (SWS and ST).

also the Visit Riverina map really shouldn't be relied on as it's mostly it's selected area. The Riverina is a rather big region but it's a shame the Rural Fire Service has moved away from the best regions map (IE: It didn't really follow the LGA's in the past but now they do for operational reasons) that it had a few years ago but still shows the regions ok but SWS on the RFS map is smaller then it really is and the Riverina has been broken up into different areas (http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/file_system/attachments/State08/Attachment_20090617_EBE4D4A9.pdf). Bidgee (talk) 11:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Also see the area that the Riverina Institute of TAFE covers (http://www.rit.tafensw.edu.au/Campuses/Default.aspx). Bidgee (talk) 11:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I haven't been or visited these locations. I've only been to some main towns of the ST and Riverina regions. I'm only trying to figure what is the Southern Tablelands as i'm planning on working on the empty S.T article when i'm on uni break in a few weeks. But because someone has live or visited in area doesn't usually decide what region they are. There's nothing immensly geographically different between the South Coast and Illawarra eh? Regions can be both political, geographical, social, etc or just arbitrarily exist and named and differentated for no good reason all.

Wee Jasper - I think i'll change that soon with citations.

Woolgarlo - I'm satisfied that it's both on the Riverina and S.T.

Burrinjuck, I will do some research and than mention that a part of the locality is part of the S.T? Do you think, Burrinjuck would be a significant geographical feature to be mentioned on the S.T page? or is it exclusively on the Riverina?

Bookham remains a tad non-conclusive to me because nowhere in the SW Slopes wiki it mentions Bookham? Fair enough, it recieves media coverage under the SW Slopes but it's non-conclusive - where I live in the Southern Highlands - our media coverage is Illawarra/South Coast but we're not part of the Illawarra or South Coast Regions. I suggest, we just leave it - as both S.T and Riverina. It can't hurt - until hopefully something with substance will come up.

I half-heartedly agree with you on the TAFE map but the region i'm from is under the Illawarra - when it's obvious we're not coastal by any means - so once again - non-conclusive. Ah, maps are confusing. Thanks for the discussion though! I'm getting there and i'm learning! --Xcharliex89 (talk) 13:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

NAB article structure

noted your rervert of my edit. pls contribute to the article structure section in the NAB discussion tab. I am proposing to split out all NAB group companies, not just the ones who already are. thanks 124.168.140.91 (talk) 09:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

SPI cases

Hey there Bidgee. I fixed up the SPI cases you were trying to file. You might want to check out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rayesworied to post your evidence. Regards, NW (Talk) 11:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Albion Park, New South Wales

Hi: Bidgee, Albion Park, New South Wales was actually selected as the boganist suburb in Australia, by a certain Zoo Weekly magazine, and it appeared in numerous newspapers in Australia too, though the rest you backed out looks like opinion or vandalism. I did a check for a similar thing in Kambah. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Good spotting

G'day mate. I missed that date style problem in the QantasLink article; I guess that's what can happen when you do a big edit instead of a bunch of little ones. See ya. YSSYguy (talk) 09:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Melbourne

Why did you undo my edit?

Do you agree that Melbourne is pronounced "MEL-burn", not "MEL-bn", in Australian English, because the reference that was given, the Macquarie Dictionary, says different? --203.220.171.199 (talk) 13:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Blockquote HTML tag

Wow, you jumped on that revision error I made in Internet_censorship_in_Australia quickly (3 mins). I second guessed myself a moment after making the revision and checked out HTML tags in wikipedia and found it was in fact valid. The original wasn't rendering because it had a typo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbeardy (talk • contribs) 13:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

MPH in info boxes

Wont that mess it up? If oyu put mph in info boxes, it thinks it is knots, giving a larger number. By the way, what is wrong with Google calculator just put "(number) k(or m)ph to knots". Syntheticalconnections (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah, your supposed to use mph in there. Syntheticalconnections (talk) 14:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

You have a gmail explaining the comment in a context otherwise confusing SatuSuro 14:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Brisbane Airport

It's still a content dispute, but Mikey may find himself a party of one if he's the only one who prefers that layout. You could ask for other editors to give their opinion on the matter by leaving a talk message at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports. People occasionally rebel against the style guidelines, and such guidelines don't have the force of policy. But an editor who has his own vision of article layout must still obey consensus in the particular case. EdJohnston (talk) 04:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Ta

Am thinking about something re flowering seasons - but hey stil off wiki idea so far SatuSuro 08:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC) You may or may not be interested in recent edits at strahan, tassie - not sure SatuSuro 03:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

G'day

Nah that's fine - interested how no one brought it up. Good luck with your other stuff. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :) Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 10:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

RE: Humid subtropical climate article

If Sydney is not strictly restricted to the City of Sydney towards the coast which has an “Oceanic Climate (Cfb)”, but includes the whole Sydney metropolitan area, including Western Sydney whose climate is solely classified as a “Humid subtropical climate (Cfa)”, as well, than Sydney‘s overall climate as is a borderline case between Humid subtropical climate/Oceanic climate (Cfa/Cfb).

Especially the suburbs of Western Sydney, like Merrylands, Liverpool (NSW) or Parramata, are solely classified as a “Humid subtropical climate (Cfa)”

Sydney is a huge city area wise indeed, but the description of Sydney is rather vague.

Is Sydney only restricted to City of Sydney when its climate is classified as an "Oceanic climate (Cfb)", or does it include the whole Sydney metropolitan area, which would then make the climate classification only partially true.

As a compromise I will only add Western Sydney, as a sole example of a “Humid subtropical climate (Cfa)” to distinguish it from the (City of) Sydney. Please at least let that stay.

What is your suggestion?

For instance the climate of another huge city area wise, like Istanbul, is classified as a transitional climate between an Oceanic climate and Mediterranean climate.

Please add your comments on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.47.63 (talk) 09:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

You're basically adding pure original research, The ABS states "Sydney has a temperate climate with warm, sometimes hot summers, cool winters and mainly reliable rainfall all year." This is information given to the ABS from the BoM, both of which are highly reliable. Bidgee (talk) 11:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

But the climate in the western suburbs of Sydney are clearly classified as a Humid Subtropical Climate so there is absolutely no justifiable reason to remove it as well. Another vast city (Istanbul) I put as an example has a temperate climate but the transitional climate between oceanic and mediterranean is clearly stated. Why is it so difficult to accept that Sydney as a vast and whole metropolitan area, is not only (neatly) confined to one climate type but is a borderline case between the two climate types, especially when the western suburubs of Sydney are clearly classified as a Humid Subtropical Climate. The source ABS only states the climate of the City of Sydney and not the western inland suburbs.

I also typed as "Western Sydney" to distinguish it from the (City of) Sydney proper with an inserted explanation tag. Otherwise I am afraid your deletion with regard to "Western Sydney" borders on "vandalism". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.208.68 (talk) 12:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Again you've not provided a reliable source, the ABS source I have provided does not say City of Sydney, it clearly says Sydney. Calling my revert vandalism is not assuming google faith and also changing IP's all the time is rather disruptive. Bidgee (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry for implying you with vandalism, as it was a harsh allegation, as you are indeed providing sources. I just wanted say that Sydney is not a "classic" example of an Oceanic climate like Hobart, Wellington, Dublin or even the borderline case like Istanbul, because the subtropical influence is there, the summers are much warmer even hot, compared to the summers of a "classic" Oceanic climate and the climate classification is near, just 1°C below, the borderline of the Humid Subtropical climate. With the regard to the constant change of IP's, it is not my doing, because I do not have the slightest idea how an IP is changed. I am only using my labtop from my home and not different computers in different places, so I do not know why and how the IP's are constantly changing, which baffles me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.208.68 (talk) 12:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Liawenee

Hello, I am the creator of the webpage stated above and have noticed that you have edited some of my work. Now I am sorry If i got some of it wrong as the snowfall information was only temporary whilst I got some proper information and was only my estimation. If you do know alot about Liawenee please help me to expand the page as I only know as much as the Australian beureu of meteorology page on it says. I found this webpage that states the average annual snowfall in Liawenee and was wondering if you could verify its validity http://www.australianweathernews.com/snow/Snow%20days%20descending.htm. Thank you for your time and if you could get back to me Rey fresco (talk) 12:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC). Also I was wondering why you deleted my comments on its temperatures as that was clearly backed up by the beureu, Apologies if I have done something wrong, I am new to editing.

Sorry I did not mean to sound like I was taking ownership I already knew that it did not give me that as wikipedia is an open society. I was merely stating my part in the article, I will try to locate something more reliable. I am guessing you could not find a Beureu quote on Liawenee else you would have put it in the message, yes? Rey fresco (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Thank you for your help

Your right I cannot find much information on it either and I doubt that my local library will have much. I suppose I shall just leave it for the moment and hope someone else will have more information. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rey fresco (talk • contribs) 12:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I looked through the articles you showed me and was able to find something on the origins of liawenee you can have a look if you want to Rey fresco (talk) 04:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)