User talk:Bidgee/Archive 1

Image:Wiradjuri-Words.jpg

I think the list of Wiradjuri words you uploaded is inaccurate in a few places. Maybe it's the fault of whoever made the sign, or maybe Grant & Rudder's reconstruction isn't as good as it could be, but whatever the reason it disagrees with both what I think it should be and with Sally McNicol & Dianne Hosking's reconstruction. --Ptcamn 08:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Bidgee and Ptcamn. I know John Rudder personally, and through him know of Stan Grant and their work. I'd be happy to bring this to their attention for their further attention. Peter Ellis 10:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC).

Adding WP:Notability to Wagga Wagga Marketplace

Hi, you have contributed to the article Wagga Wagga Marketplace. I am on a bit of a jaunt? quest? to improve shopping centre articles. Most of them do not show how the shopping centre in question is WP:Notable, ie why is this shopping centre different to any other shopping centre? Would wikipedia be worse off if this article did not exist but there was a generic article Shopping Centres in Australia which mentions that a shopping centre called the Wagga Wagga Marketplace exists. Could you please suggest something that could be added to the article to make it notable compared to all the other articles for shopping malls on Wikipedia? I ask this because I cannot see what makes one shopping centre notable compared to the one in the next suburb. Not every house has an article, why should every shopping centre? Thanks, I hope to implement some of your suggestions. I am happy to conduct a reasonable amount of web-based investigation to implement some of your thoughts. Or ideally, you could add some information to the article yourself, which shows how/why/when the Wagga Wagga Marketplace is notable. --Garrie 04:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Wagga Wagga Marketplace

Hi i have seen the idea on what you want to do to Westfields and thought whether if it would be possible to do the same for the Marketplace since i know of at least 4 other Malls that go under the same Marketplace brand and logo. Just a thought. -- RobertM 21:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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That would help a lot - a chain of malls is approaching notable. A single shopping centre however - that is trivial! Do the other "XXXXX Marketplaces" have articles? --Garrie 22:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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User_talk:GarrieIrons#WP:Rural NSW

I think why they say Wagga Wagga is in NSW is due to it being in the Federal electorate of the Riverina and also Visit NSW[15] have a large area which seems to go up into the Tumut area which I find hard to believe as they are more to do with the South West Slopes. So I say trying to get a source who is right is going to be very hard to find. -- Robertmyers 02:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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I hope NSW there is a typo which was meant to be Riverina? I grew up there, I always thought Wagga is in the riverina... are you telling me I'm wrong? (look up Irons in your phone book - they're all my brothers / parents / cousins)

Reply on my talk page please. Garrie 00:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC) PS are you joining WP Outback New South Wales? Do you have a problem with us labelling Wagga as an Outback City?

Victory Memorial Gardens

I saw the point above re: your image, that's a nice shot it's a shame about the WWCC traffic barriers in the background. The opening paragraph of that article isn't in the best wiki style - generally, articles have

article name

pretty much in the opening sentence. In it's current form that part is well down the page. Also, without going to the linked Wagga Wagga article, you don't mention where in the world Wagga Wagga is.

I don't know if there's a sence in pre-emptively disambiguating the page by having it at say "VMG, Wagga Wagga" or someting (VMG in full though)? Looking at Category:Parks in Sydney, many of the park names are pre-disambiguated (I can't see there being too many Sydney Parks around the world, but the article is ]]Sydney Park, Sydney]] - Sydney Park is a redirect!)

Garrie 00:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

AYA Wikibreak

Hi - I will be away for the weekend.

I just wanted to say that I hope your flu gets better.

In connection with the contributer to Gundagai and related articles, if you have any issues, go to Snottygobble (who endorsed the RfC), PetaHolmes or WP:AWNB. I know I suggested WP:AN/I but they seem to not always be focussed there. In requesting assistance, reference the RfC so that people can see it is not a one-off but a pattern of behaviour.

Note her use of caps lock - it says a lot but not what she means it to say. As a result don't take her comments personally, she probably can't help it poor thing. I strongly suggest sticking to the tempated grid of warnings at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. She seems to be back on about Coolac. See my comments at Talk:Hume Highway#Coolac by pass if it helps.

There's a new wikipedian from Wagga. Perhaps you can give him a hand - see User_talk:AYArktos#Thank_you.21 and my response on his talk page - User talk:Dave.the.dog. Note I was going to let him do the move himself once he can because there is nothing like learning by doing and it isn't urgent.

As per message at User_talk:GarrieIrons#WP:Riverina_and_SW_Slopes, I am thinking the Outback scope is too big and not focussed enough, or as you have pointed out focussed west of the Newell Highway which is not where I know a lot about. Like to go there but haven't yet. Lots of work to be done on NSW Regions generally though as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Outback New South Wales/Places even if they are not all outback, just not metropolitan.

Have a good weekend. Regards--A Y Arktos\^talk 19:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Unprotection

• Hi just for your info - I have unprotected the various pages that were involved in the edits from the anon IP range. Given the most recent activity I have noticed was a few days ago and promptly reverted with no other attempt, she may have got the message. If not, protection can be resumed.Regards --A Y Arktos\^talk 22:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hampden Bridge

Hi, the guide for disambiguating names is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) and scan down also to the Australian section. There was a recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places which may shed some light - as the Aust naming conventions section was updated accordingly. I think Hampden Bridge becomes a dab page (see MoS if you aren't familiar with how to lay out). I would move the Kangaroo Valley bridge to Hampden Bridge (Kangaroo Valley) and create the one you wish to write about at Hampden Bridge (Wagga Wagga). I don't think we need to append the NSW to the name - not solving any likely ambiguity.

Look forward to your article - RTA has lots of useful info to cite from statement of heritage significance. If you need more of a hand, let me know.--Arktos ^talk 19:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I also look forward to seeing a good article about this historic crossing of the river. I hope they document it well before they tear it down, if it's about to collapse.Garrie 21:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice article! There is some room for additional information but it reads quite nicely as a complete article. As an article related to structures it could do with some engineering type information such as the load rating, clearance, what the design flood it was meant to stay open for, etc., but well done with what you have put up there.

Hopefully if it does get torn down we can get some pictures included in the article.

What would be worthwhile including is some informtion about the type of crossing that was in place before the bridge opened, and the impact of the alternate Wiradjuri Bridge crossing (doesn't traffic to North Wagga have to go quite a bit further now?)

Garrie 12:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Great diagram. I think I have some questions about the left hand side, but for the moment focussing on your edit summary which saud Can't get it to go were I want it to - what did you want to do? Can I help. Hard won advice is that Americans can't spell "centre" - you might need to use "center" to place it. But I am not sure what you are trying to do so that was just a guess. You might find Wikipedia:Extended image syntax solves your problems. Regards--Arktos ^talk 11:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks re: User:Kyrie_eleison

Thanks mate. I appreciate your efforts in helping cleanup Wikipedia, and dealing with abusive editors. Let me know if that particular editor causes any more grief. -- Longhair 11:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

That particular editor received more warnings than most. There was only one way to deal with so much abuse forthcoming, and eventually I decided to block for 24 hours. I expect them to return. Keep your eyes open. -- Longhair 11:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Changing user names

• It must be spring :-) I saw you added yourself. I am also queuing up to shed myself of associations with bears in the northern hemisphere Regards --Arktos ^talk 01:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC) (soon to be known I hope as Golden Wattle)
  • Bidgee is better IMO :-) --Arktos ^talk 01:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Semi-protected old user pages--Arktos ^talk 21:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Spam?

It reads like a business card or company brochure and only serves to self-promote IMHO. I'd look into trimming it back a little. Thanks. -- Longhair 04:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

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Anon vandal

I've given themm a 3 hour block. It's the same style we're used to and blocking on sight seems the only option here. Should they return, let me know if you need further action taken. -- Longhair 10:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• I added the reason for reversion to the talk page of the list of massacre article. The warning series {{comment2}} {{comment3}} {{comment4}} seems right too, but I liked the {{needsource}} {{needsource2}} - given she has been around before and been warned before, I would use level 4 of the comment warning, but in fact I like the idea of teling her to play in the sand box with level 2 comment :-). Anyway no citations, no record of massacre in Wikipedia - I think it is really important to keep such unverified information out - if it is verified I of course have no problem with its inclusion. She knows how to cite sources and should know better than to included unreferenced material having claimed she goes to uni. (Don't forget to subst: your warnings - people seem to prefer it). Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 03:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Reversion

No worries! I'm pretty sure you'd do the same for me =). That anon seemed to be following you around though. Scary. I reported him to WP:AIV. Good luck. --Storkk 12:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:5 o'clock wave

Afd is not a vote. I looked at the arguments presented as well as the number of !votes. Also a couple of people wanted the article deleted, so merge seemed like a sensible compromise with general support. Petros471 13:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Anon

Thanks for letting me know about the re-appearance. They've resurfaced again today and received a 1 week block at their current ip. Whilst I generally dislike blocking shared ip's for this length of time, it's us who have to deal with the rubbish - and we're mostly sick of it. If Telstra don't like their customers being blocked from editing, (and trust me, they won't care, first hand experience tells me so), they can remove this pain as a customer to avoid blocks re-occuring. -- Longhair\^talk 05:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry - I just gave them another block for their efforts at Gundagai, New South Wales. -- Longhair\^talk 10:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

One week blocks only seem to have them re-appear, but that's what they're getting (they were blocked earlier today by myself also). Their phone bill will allow them in time to decide if it's worth the bother acting in this way forever. Let me know if they resurface. Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 10:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Ignore them. I've protected User talk:203.54.174.219 for now. -- Longhair\^talk 10:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No they're not [1] :) -- Longhair\^talk 11:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They've taken it to the Village Pump. See Wikipedia:Village_pump#Editors Who Are Vandals, and Thugs and Ferals -- Longhair\^talk 11:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that revert. They're quick - I'd only just blocked them. - Longhair\^talk 11:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry mate. I got a little busy there with my own troubles [2] :) I've blocked them again. -- Longhair\^talk 12:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They're back this evening - but I'm onto them. Keep up your good work with reverting. It helps where we fail. -- Longhair\^talk 10:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Let them go on all they like now. My revert button remains in idle in regards to this editor from now on. Any personal attacks will see them blocked however. They know the rules and purposely evade them. Let them fill as many talk pages as they like with their incomprehensive shit. Somebody else will tire of it soon, like we did months back. -- Longhair\^talk 10:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am not really back yet but have a cooperative phone line for the moment. As per Longhair, ignore her. Her rants condemn her much better than reverting her; love the caps lock on the Talk:Wiradjuri page! The latest Murrumbidgee edit about fords is OK, just not under the heading and should be moved. Regards--Golden Wattle ^talk 21:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am failing to ignore her and will take a wikibreak. I might of course not like the response that the community would rather have her than me! Thanks for all your support and I fully appreciate you are copping it too. --Golden Wattle ^talk 01:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy your break mate. I'll hang about and face the fire :) Check Golden Wattle's talk page for some advice on how I'm coping... -- Longhair\^talk 03:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Reversions

I noticed you reverted some anon comments on my talk page. I am not sure if you thought they were vandalism but they appear to be in response to a request I made for information regarding the New South Wales article and a piece of information taht was removed. If this user posts on my talk page again, please do not revert, especially without a summary using something like popups. Thank you. If you haev more information regarding this user or the article in question it will be appreciated. --NuclearZer0 11:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

I have filed a formal request for arbitration regarding the anonymous Gundagai editor. Please make any statements you feel are appropriate. Thatcher131 01:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• I will not be adding anything to the arbitration as I'm just sick of the some old stuff the Anon has been doing for months. Longhair and Golden Wattle tryed to get her to sign posts, cite with sources that are reliable. Some people need to look back at the past before making a judgement that we are the ones making personal attacks and being uncivil. If I have made a personal attack please link to it. I tryed to help Longhair and Golden Wattle with Anon but it failed and I wasn't going to waste my time in putting were the Anon's comments were meant to go and add the unsigned tag since I have other things to do so I reverted with popups and I also reverted comments when the Anon was block since I thought blocked uses can't add anything until there are unblocked but maybe I have misunderstood. I always have had a WP:NPOV here and I always try and never let my point of view get in the way but the Anon has broken WP:NPOV a number of times. The Anon is very abusive, hides behind a changing IP and attacks you if you do not agree with them. I have no idea why they do this but I don't think it's fair that they should continue to keep on doing this for the last few months and something needs to be done now. I'm now looking at quiting Wikipedia since it has lost interest due to what has happened in the last week. -- Bidgee 07:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Given your feelings it seems like the best thing to do would be to make a statement in the case. I have not been involved before and I included the reversions in my case description because they are important and would have been discussed anyway. I also included plenty of diffs of her incivility, POV-pushing, etc. I did not say everything there was to say as the statements at this stage should be concise; however it might be useful if you described some of your early efforts to deal cooperatively with her which I seem to see in the page histories from the May-June time frame, so you can show that many good faith efforts were made to deal with her before the RFC was filed. Anyway, your choice. I'm not surprised you feel like a break. I wish there was more I could do. Thatcher131 11:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Bidgee is quite correct: Wikipedia:Blocking policy states "Edits made by blocked users while blocked may be reverted." I concur that there has been inadequate asumptions of good faith--Golden Wattle ^talk 11:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• • Hey but take a break - don't quit!!!! You have too much to contribute.--Golden Wattle ^talk 11:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Don't bother reverting her on project pages (like RFAR). There are a lot of people watching that page. Give them a chance to see how she acts. Thatcher131 12:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• I will remove comments that the Anon adds as it makes it look like that I have added. -- Bidgee 12:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• If I add anything to the arbitration I may say something that I may regret and it seems clear that some Wikipedia members have supported the Anon. -- Bidgee 12:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Your statement looks quite good. At this stage all you want to do is give the arbitrators enough info that they agree to take the case. My statement is maybe even too long. If the case is accepted there will be an evidence page where you can give more details of the situation. Now get some sleep! :) Thatcher131 17:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries

No probs Bidgee, but I only blocked her for an hour because I figure she'll just dial-up again and be back shortly with a new IP. :/ Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarah, at this point I would suggest blocking for 24 hours for incivility; yes, she can get a new IP any time but then you can immediately block that IP for the remainder of the 24 hours for block evasion.

Bidgee, I think I would cut out the requests to sign at this point. Obviously she is ignoring this issue and adding it after every comment might start to look like you were trying to make a point, rather than be helpful. Thatcher131 11:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for the advice Thatcher131 :). -- Bidgee 11:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wiki break

As of now I will be taking a Wiki break for a week or so. -- Bidgee 15:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Narsic

No problem. They weren't doing anything useful. No point in another warning. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk, FloNight 22:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added some of my evidence and hope to add more when I have some free time since I'm currently studying and I'm planning my move to Darwin. -- Bidgee 15:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Good luck with your move. Let us see if anybody deals with her - I suspect they will - ever the optimist Regards--Golden Wattle ^talk 09:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bidgee, I don't think we can do much about the talk pages. We could protect them so she can't edit but that seems pointless given she gets a new IP each time she dials-up. At least she is currently confined there and not roaming the article talk pages. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 19:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bidgee. At User_talk:Sarah Ewart you asked Is it possible to see whether the IP for Gretaw is the same as the Anon's as they are claiming not to be User:Gretaw?. Yes. See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser. -- Longhair\^talk 20:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Despite her claims not to be Gretaw [3], I have put in a checkuser request - see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Gretaw might as well check. Gretaw's edits make little sense otherwise (though could be a friend, it seems unlikely that is somebody who has come in cold) --Golden Wattle ^talk 20:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bidgee, I saw the checkuser was inconclusive, but I personaly find the idea it is someone else who just happened upon that talk page and signed up just to defend our friend, extremely unlikely. Her IP ranges are now blocked, so hopefully we'll have a little peace on that front. Have a good weekend, mate. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 09:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

The anonymous Gundagai editor is banned from editing Wikipedia for one year. All blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Gundagai editors#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 18:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons

No problem; I'll remove them all from Commons. It'll take me a while, though, as I must leave for about an hour or so. I'll start working on it as soon as I'm back. Marialadouce 20:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

There you go. I think I rounded up all of them. I found three credited to you that I had uploaded onto Commons: commons:Image:Murrumbidgee river flood marker.jpg, commons:Image:Wagga railway bridge.jpg, and commons:Image:Sturt monument wagga australia.jpg. If there are any more I've missed, please do tell me.

The problem is that I am working on translations of articles on some Australian rivers for fr:Wiki, namely Murray River, Darling River and Murrumbidgee, and I thought it would be much easier to upload the photos onto Commons so as to not overload each Wikipedia with the same photos.

I apologise. I was quite upset when I saw your message, as you seemed to be very angry. Please don't hold it against me! I'm normally very careful with crediting and uploading.

Marialadouce 21:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

It's quite all right. I myself have been very stressed lately, and I've been working far too much in Wikipedia in an attempt to forget it all. I tend to bury myself in work when I am angry. Yesterday it was around midnight when I uploaded your photos, and I was probably not in the right frame of mind to do anything but sleep or read.

I'll give you some time to think about whether or not to leave the photos on Commons. There's no rush, really, as even if they're deleted quickly, I can always re-upload them with the correct copyrights. I wouldn't mind, as I very much like working in Commons.

Marialadouce 01:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I haven't heard from you in a while, so I took the speedy deletion notices off the images on Commons and replaced the licences with the ones you used on Wikipedia, as well as putting a link to your userpage. I hope that was all right. Just tell me if something is off, or correct it yourself as I may not be around much for the rest of the day. Cheers, Marialadouce 14:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Now that arbitration is over I'll hand out something I've been meaning to give. Wear it well. Durova 05:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I, Durova give Bidgee this bulletproof Original Barnstar for displaying grace under fire during the Gundagai, New South Wales dispute. Durova 05:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Gundagai Editor

Thanks for reverting those edits. The range blocks only ran out today, she must have been counting it down. LOL. Oh, well, she's got another 3 months to wait for the next time out as I've reblocked both ranges. Thanks again for cleaning up after her. Hope you're having a nice Christmas. Cheers, Sarah Ewart 03:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)