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Thanks for reverting that: Sorry about the signature in there -- it's a habit because I tend to hang out at WP:RFD where of course one is expected to sign, and then forget not to sign in articles! I should have sourced this, and could probably do so, but just crashed out as I was very tired, before managing to find RS, so it is better to revert it and I will do it another day. You're right to revert. To my surprise just last month they changed the name/setup of the Office of Fair Trading so the info was already out of date when I inserted it. Si Trew (talk) 07:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

SimonTrew, no problem. 1/4 of the time, I forget to leave my signature on talk pages, especially when pinging someone. Ping doesn't work without a signature. Bgwhite (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I don't know if SignBot has been taking a Wikibreak, but a lot of the XfD pages seem to have unsigned comments that the bot would usually fix. Si Trew (talk) 07:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello Bgwhite, how are you? Coming to you after sometime. Actually I want to use WP:AWB but I cannot access it, since my name is not added here. It's given that any sysop can add a user to that list. So, I thought if you can add my name to that list. Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 18:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim Cartar I don't know... you do have shifty eyes. Could you formally add your name here. I'm about to leave for a bit, but I'll add you when I get back. Bgwhite (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 08:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Beienrode

Hello. I don't see any-where in moshead where it says that a heading for a single item should be in plural form. In fact, I can't find any-thing aobut this contentious issue (i.e., using plural forms for all headings dealing with links, refs, etc.). Could you please direct me to the text you are referring to? Thanks.Kdammers (talk) 03:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Kdammers, could you be more specific. If you are talking about "References", "External links" or "Notes", then yes, these are always in plural form. WP:LAYOUTEL talks about External links. WP:ORDER shows the order of the sections and some of them are listed plural. Right below that section is "Works or publications" and it talks about how "works" and "publications" are always plural. Bgwhite (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

You wrote: 2014-04-22T04:44:00‎ BG19bot (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,960 bytes) (-2)‎ . . (WP:CHECKWIKI error fix. Section heading problem. Violates WP:MOSHEAD. That's what I was referring to. I have followed one of your links above and found the (unexplained) commandment. Kdammers (talk) 12:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Just spotted this. Similar thread raised at Wikipedia talk:External links#One are. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Kdammers, the edit made by BG19Bot didn't change a plural/single issue. What it did change was the order of level headings. Headings should be nested sequentially, starting with level 2 (==), then level 3 (===) and so on. You had a level 2 (==) followed by a level 4 (====). This causes organizational and accessibility problems. Bgwhite (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Folsom Powerhouse

Sure, I'll be happy to help; just direct him to my talk if he comes here. I was definitely surprised to see what and where it is; I figured it was something related to the Folsom Site, not a 20th-century electrical station. [insert: I wrote the following message around 1:30AM but fell asleep before leaving anything; it's 8:45AM here now.] Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Kudos

I have uploaded the search script here. No more annoying server downtime. Tito☸Dutta 18:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for Opinion/Suggestions on Bengali Kayastha Dispute

Hello Bgwhite

The last best version of the article on Bengali Kayastha, which has been informally reviewed by several senior editors/reviewers, has recently been a subject matter of debate. Though all the statements mentioned in the last best version are reliably sourced, and in fact reviewed and edited by Sitush himself long time back, now all of a sudden he refuses to accept. Anyway, the good part is that at least we are engaged in talk page discussions. You are a senior editor, and I have great faith in you, therefore I would like to request you to suggest or let us know your valuable opinion or suggestions. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra filmography

I noticed you made a useful edit to it, but User:IndianBio reverted to an earlier version in order to undo another user's unacceptable edit. I therefore request you to restore your edit without undoing IndianBio's edit. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:11, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I had to BGwhite, could not undo without undoing your edit too. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 10:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

IndianBio There is no problem here. My edit was fixing the previous edits that were reverted. You couldn't revert the previous edits without reverting mine. People also get a notification when their edit is reverted. Bgwhite (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Revert of one of your edits

Hello Bgwhite,

is it okay to revert your edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_resource_locator&diff=602526842&oldid=602412820 ? You can find my reasons for such a revert at the bug report Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Wrong_correction_of_.3Ch6.3E_to_.3B.... Greetings, Stephan Kulla (talk) 00:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No. I left a message at the AWB talk page. It's best to contact the editor first, not on a page that has nothing to do with the edit. Bgwhite (talk) 05:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ringette

Hi Bgwhite,

I added to your RIngette page you edited a while back, I am new to Wikkipeida Edits and really admire your work if you could take a look at my edits and let me know if I've done so correctly !

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliebever1 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Juliebever1. The really big problem is that there needs to have some refs. The quote by Glen Gaudet really needs a ref. You also mention the Globe in Olympics section, but there is no ref. The Olympics section could be cut down. "Ringette is most widely played by females, it would be a large step for the feminist equality to get the game recognized as an Olympic sport." doesn't need to be mentioned, sort of. Say something like... As ringette is mostly played by women, before ringette made it into the Olympics, greater attention would be need to create men's teams. Bgwhite (talk) 05:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf2) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on April 24. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on April 29, and all Wikipedias on May 1 (calendar).
• You can now use interwiki prefix c: to link to pages on Wikimedia Commons. [1]

VisualEditor news

• You will soon be able to set content language and direction with VisualEditor. [2]
• VisualEditor now works on all Wikipedias after broken MediaWiki:Common.js pages (and similar) were fixed last week. [3]
• VisualEditor dialogs now use an animation of moving lines rather than animated GIF images.

Future software changes

• CirrusSearch will be enabled as a beta feature on 41 new wikis, including Meta-Wiki and the Swedish (sv), Russian (ru), Polish (pl), Japanese (ja) and Chinese (zh) Wikipedias next week. This change means that CirrusSearch will now be enabled on all Wikimedia wikis.
• MediaViewer will be enabled for all users on the French (fr) and Dutch (nl) Wikipedias on May 1. Feedback is welcome. [4]
• The mobile version of Wikimedia wikis will soon include filters to limit the number of uploaded files that are copyright violations. [5]
• CodeEditor will soon have a status bar about errors and warnings. [6] [7]
• You can test a new version of Winter, a proposal to have a fixed toolbar at the top of wiki pages. Comments are welcome. [8]

Problems

• For about 30 minutes on April 21, there were problems with image scaling due to a high server load. [9] [10]
• On April 22, it was not possible to use the Collection extension for about 90 minutes due to a server move. [11] [12]

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07:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:FIX Thank You!

Thank you for the April 2, 2014 Database Dump on WP:FIX!! Sct72 (talk) 19:32, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

BG19bot fixing intentional formatting error

I've got a level 4 heading on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders hidden in includeonly tags in order for it to display properly on another list article List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure episodes. The bot keeps correcting this. Is there any way to get an exception or something done?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Ryulong One of these days my mind will be able to understand all the include tags. As the heading is only used in List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure episodes, why can't the heading be moved there? Bgwhite (talk) 20:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Because I transcluded the other headings from the other episode list so I figured I should just do the same. The problem is arising from the use of level 3 headers below the one level 4 header I think.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Ryulong, the problem is a level 2 section header followed by a level 4, so it is skipping a level. This is an accessibility issue as it causes problems with screen readers. It is being caught as a checkwiki error and I'm running the bot on that. Ideally, if there is a way to fix it on your end, that would be best. However, I can whitelist the article so checkwiki doesn't report it as an error. Bgwhite (talk) 03:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

The header isn't being displayed though so I don't see the problem. If anything it would involve putting in another header that is displayed or is also hidden and not transcluded and I don't know if that's possible.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I changed Stardust Crusaders so it follows the same format as JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (season 1). Bgwhite (talk) 00:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted this change (as well as another bot repairing the header) as the only reason there is a difference is because season 1 ended its broadcast run last year and the new season is currently on the air. The section headers are there to make editing per section easier. Also I have disagreed with the decision by another editor in removing the section headers from the other pages but nothing can really be done about that.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Ryulong Well, I don't know what to do. I do the exact same thing as the other transcluded page and you don't like it. It fixed the level 2 to level 4 problem. Having 50 headers on one page and being different from 99% of the other anime and other tv episode articles is up to you. I can only see two choices for you to choose. Revert and be like all the other pages or modify it by adding an extra "=" on the 50 headers. Bgwhite (talk) 05:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I think there's a bit of a confusion here. As you saw from the formatting, the individual episodes' headers are not transcluded onto List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure episodes. Just the headers for the individual lists. I use this format on a few other pages, and I had attempted to institute it on another article where I received the same opposition from another editor, claiming it was out of place and whatnot, and also in regards to the formatting put in place at the season 1 page, which I've restored and I'm using level 4 headers (as they now have level 3 headers on them anyway). There's nothing broken here other than a bunch of bots reading something that is hidden on one article.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Ryulong. No, I understand perfectly what you are trying to do. You are trying to go against what 99% of all episode article do. That is fine as long as headers follow numerical order. I just did option two. If you don't like it then come up with something else to fix it. I've done the two only options I can think of. If you can't think of anything else, then choose between the two options. This is not about bots. This is about headers following accessibility guidelines. I've come along with a bot. Another editor did it manually. Others will follow. Bgwhite (talk) 07:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The only thing these bots have done is change the hidden level 4 header to a hidden level 3 header while you removed all of the level 3 headers from the page except for the one that all these bots keep editing. There is nothing problematic with the format I've put in place on these articles. It's just that these automated tools keep trying to correct something which has been put in place intentionally and is only vaguely related to the individual sections that you decided to remove because they were absent from another related article for an implicit reason that you had no prior knowledge of.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I just saw your most recent edit and all of these fixes you are trying to impliment are not necessary and just cause more problems. I do not know how to explain this situation to you any clearer. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders (from now on "the season 2 page") is retaining the proper numerical order of the headers because the level 4 header that every bot keeps trying to fix is not being displayed on that article but is being transcluded onto List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure episodes as I intended it to. That is why I have put it in between the <includeonly> tags. Every single automated tool keeps having alarms go off because they're treating that one line of formatting as being displayed on the page in question when I have told you that is not the case. Additionally, your constant attempts to make the season 2 page in line with JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (season 1) are not helping matters either. They're formatted differently because season 1 covered two arcs that I originally intended to be on two separate pages until Wonchop came along again and decided to merge everything back together in an ass backwards way that I had to get histmerges done to fix and he's still mad at me for having the gall to have these two pages titled in a way that's similar to American television programs rather than the terrible formatting that anime pages have been put in on this project. It makes sense for the "Part #: Whatever" header to be visible and a level 3 header on the season 1 page because it covers two separate storylines, and all the episodes get level 4 headers (in addition to there being a similar set of hidden level 4 headers on that page for transclusion). However, season 2 only has 1 storyline so there is no need for an overall level 3 header and all the episodes to have level 4 headers. FFS, even if the separate sections weren't on the article I'd still want to have this format set up so it all looks good when it's transcluded onto the centralized episode list page which only has section headers for the seasons and the internal divisions within the seasons. I hope now that I've further hidden the level 3 header you put onto the season 2 page that it doesn't set off any more god damn bells and whistles for every automated tool that crawls the site and fixes these errors which should not exist because it's only in the HTML and not displayed. Just look at the tables of contents on all of these articles and see what the hell I am trying to do because you are only complicating things.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Here's an idea. Move the level 3 headings from List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure episodes#List of episodes to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (season 1) and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

You mean the "Season 1" and "Season 2" headers or the "Part 1: Phantom Blood" etc headers, because the latter is already the case.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 17:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

A level 3 heading is one that begins and ends with three equals signs, so ===Season 1=== and ===Season 2=== are the ones to move. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Beienrode

Thanks for correcting the formatting I did at Beienrode. The problem was that I used Visual Editor, so I couldn't see how many levels in I was. Kdammers (talk) 02:18, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Kdammers, no problem. I usually see Visual Editor itself causing the problem. I can't count how many times I say in the edit summary, "Visual editor barfed". Bgwhite (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

User name

Hi Bgwhite, while checking the history of Kilogram article, I found Standardrobot has edited this. Actually his user name is against our username policy, I don't know if it is a real bot or someone using that name but neither this account has userpage nor it has a bot flag. The account is 8 years old but has only 44 edits. So, I thought if you can block this account since its username says "Standardrobot". Thank you. Jim Carter ^(talk) 11:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf3) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 1. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 6, and all Wikipedias on May 8 (calendar).
• The Compact Personal Bar was added as a beta feature to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 1. It will be added as a beta feature to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 6, and to all Wikipedias on May 8. To test it, you can enable it now in your preferences on MediaWiki.org. [13]
• It is now easier to disable the CodeEditor tool. [14]

VisualEditor news

• External links in VisualEditor are now in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki. [15]
• The template tool now tells you if a parameter is obsolete. [16]
• You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData; VisualEditor will add them like required ones. [17]
• There is a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name for file names. [18][19]
• Editing formulae in VisualEditor will soon be enabled for all users. [20] [21]
• You will soon be able to try a new beta feature to edit text in another language. [22] [23]

Future software changes

• MediaViewer will be enabled for all users on the Japanese (ja), Portuguese (pt), Spanish (es), Swedish (sv) and Telugu (te) Wikipedias on May 8. Feedback is welcome. [24]
• You can help translate about 100 new language names that have been added to our data source. They are used, for example, as hover text for interwiki links. Send an e-mail to Nemo if you want to help.
• If you click on a redirect page in your watchlist, you will soon access the redirect itself. [25] [26]

Problems

• For about 40 minutes around 00:20 UTC on April 29, there were problems with page loading due to high server load.

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07:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The Final Girls

Hello B, I was away for a while, please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 and move it to The Final Girls - thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 01:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Human eye

Mr. Bgwhite, I noticed that you edited out a parenthetical paragraph I added to Human eye. I am still (and will likely remain) at the blundering around stage in Wikipedia and would like your reason for deleting the paragraph. Thank you.Patkelso (talk) 10:46, 5 May 2014 (UTC)Pat Kelso

(talk page stalker) @Patkelso: If you look at the reversion, the edit summary shows "Unreferenced". One of our core policies is that of Verifiability; we also have a policy on original research. You also added your signature to an article, see WP:SIGNHERE.

I've moved this thread from the very start of this page; please see WP:TOPPOST regarding how to start a new talk page discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

There is a critical problem for me to continue editing/writing in Wikipedia if I am precluded from using my own original research. The reference in question is <ref>http://www.scribd.com/robert_kelso_2</ref> which has over 1300 readers without critical comment. Pat Kelso — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patkelso (talk • contribs) 06:51, 7 May 2014‎

@Patkelso:. No original research is a set in stone rule. All additions must be referenced. Wikipedia is not a place to add research articles, only to summarize what has been given in reliable, independent references. On a side note, are you the Bob Kelso. Now I have Bob Kelso saying running thru my head. Bgwhite (talk) 07:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I forgot to add this. Gamera1123 (talk) 07:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for edits! Gamera1123 (talk) 07:15, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

TOC placement

"TOC comes before first headline per WP:TOC and WP:LEAD. This is an accessibility issue for users of screen readers." I read those and it says no text between TOC and first heading - not no heading before the TOC. And there seems to have been no discussion of the issue on the talk page. Rmhermen (talk) 04:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Rmhermen, it would help if you would tell me the article. It has been in MOS for atleast six years. It was added by Graham87, the expert on accessibility issues. It has certainly been talked about on this talk page for a couple of months. The reason being is if the ToC is after the first heading, the ToC becomes invisible for people using screen readers. Per WP:TOC, "If floating the TOC, it should be placed at the end of the lead section of the text, before the first section heading." Per WP:Lead," Bgwhite (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I looked through both WP:TOC and WP:LEAD. There is no discussion of the issue on the talk pages or archives that I could find using a search for the term "screen r". Rmhermen (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

TOC comes before first headline per WP:TOC and WP:LEAD. See: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Elements_of_the_lead. (t) Josve05a (c) 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a, what Rmhermen is saying is that he can't find a discussion about this. I've seen times where there is a one person discussion and text is added to MOS that shouldn't be in there.

All I can say is screen readers will not see text that visual users will see. This not only goes against guidelines, but also against two of the five pillars. If you have doubts about the effect of this on screen readers, please contact Graham87. He is the resident accessibility expert. Bgwhite (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The discussion that implemented this was at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Archive 1#articles with a floating TOC, and there was some subsequent discussion about it on my talk page. Graham87 01:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikineru deleted on 16 May

Hello Bgwhite, I am wikineru and I am new in wikipedia contributions. I just wanted give more information for peope who search about Santurtzi, and apparently it was not correct. I agree that maybe some of the information I gave is not relevant, but some other I think is quite interesting since it appears in other different towns. Regarding to references, I forgot to write them. Those are the one I used:

• Ayuntamiento de Santurtzi. Santurtzi.https://www.santurtzi.net/es-ES/Paginas/default.aspx
• Garcia de Iturraspe. Santurtzi through history.http://garciadeiturrospe.wordpress.com/about/
• J. Carlos Beltrán de Heredia Sálces. Santurtzi argazkiak.http://www.santurtzi.biz/
• Serantes eskola. Santurtzi. un poco de historia.http://www.seranteseskola.com/historia-santurtzi.htm

But I understand if it is not enoght job, because some of the information is general knowledge. Furthermore, some information of the festivals I have found in other wikipedia articles.

I understand that is not a good job what I have done, but I would like to improve it and help in contributions. Therefore I would be really glad, if I could have some help. In any case, I will try to do it better.

Thank you.

Best Regards,

Wikineru — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikineru (talk • contribs) 19:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

About a page

I saw the page Bgwhite not long ago on the new pages feed. I got reason to believe that the author meant it as a attack page of some sort before he blanked it likely in good faith. I was wondering if this user had done anything to get a bad opinion about you becuase he said in the diff of the page before it was blanked something about you abusing admin rights. Just wondering Thanks! Dudel250 (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Dudel250. Thanks for telling me. That would be Miley Cyrus' brother or claims to be. He thinks he deserves a page because of his name. Oh joy. Bgwhite (talk) 06:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Alright I posted on AIV as well because of recent vandalism he made that he breached the 4th warning because of making that page. But it could've been worse more likely if he didn't blank the page. Dudel250 (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Brandon Cyrus / User:BrandonCyrus

I noticed a little back and forth here, I put in my 2 cents on the article's talk page, if there is any way I can help resolve the issue please let me know :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 06:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Solarra, boy, nominating my Wikipedia page for deletion. You have some nerve. :) This isn't going to end well. Hopefully they calm down. With you coming in, hopefully they see it is not a vendetta I have for them. Thank you for interceding. Now, I think you should be blocked for using Comic Sans in your signature. :) Bgwhite (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I was on new pages patrol And saw a attempted attack page on @Bgwhite: He blanked the page in good faith and i reported him to AIV for vandalism. It was just a big mess up for the likely fanboy/girl of Miley Cyrus if you ask me,

And yes the comic sans must be blocked :) Dudel250 (talk) 07:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

That was the idea, they seemed to be taking it personally, so after seeing the back and forth on Huggle, I thought it might be prudent to add a dispassionate third party voice. I'll do what I can to walk them through why IMDB is not a source and try to steer them towards reliable ones :-) Also, I chose my signature font specifically because it the most un-lawyer font that exists! ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 07:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Dudel250 I caught that Bgwhite article and I think that was an attempt at a noticeboard report, I don't believe it was meant to be disparaging or an attack page. I believe he just has the same last name as Miley but isn't related. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 07:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

"our team is confused to your reason for the current editing of the page "Brandon Cyrus"." That was on Your talk page @Solarra: Seems to suggest they are being paid to do this though, so i doubt its just a coincidence Dudel250 (talk) 07:25, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

More likely I'd bet, the kid is editing his own page, and is using the majestic plural to make himself sound more important. Myself, you, and Bgwhite are all keeping an eye on it. It's all about good faith right? ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 07:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I guess but i still think he's editing on Bad Faith. Just to make sure i don't screw things up i guess being new at patrolling myself i'll let you two @Solarra: Make the decisions, but i'm happy to comment if needed. though i will likely set up a AFD discussion later if more proof of his/their paid editing comes to knowledge Dudel250 (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Though the Idea of editing his own page can't come out of the question It's more likely he's getting paid to edit it Dudel250 (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dudel250 and Solarra:, yea, this is heading towards an AfD. I thought about it after Solarra removed the Prod, but Solarra stepped in to play nice. Took away all my fun :). Paid editors usually are nice. They get money for editing and don't want to ruin that. Speaking of fonts, this video is a classic. Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

 AFD Posted Dudel250 (talk) 07:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

On a side Note That video is a classic  Thanks Dudel250 (talk) 07:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes it is :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 08:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems like he tryed to lie on his talk page about you Two agreeing to keep it, This doesnt seem like good faith....@Solarra:Dudel250 (talk) 08:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that, all I've said is that the subject meets WP:NACTOR in my view, there are actors with less notable roles that have full blown articles. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 08:11, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I got a bad feeling blocks and bans will be passed around even if the AFD is to keep...@Solarra:Dudel250 (talk) 08:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

" What is this team you speak of? are you being paid to make this page? Dudel250 (talk) 08:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

- Hi Dude, great question! We are a social media team here at Brandon Cyrus, Inc. We make his websites, social networks, promote his products, answer his emails, ::::etc. That last question violates Wikipedia's Privacy Policy. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2014 (UTC)"

Its offical That guy has been lieing about being a team, Why would a company be called Brandon Cycrus Inc? @Solarra: Dudel250 (talk) 08:45, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

@Solarra:@Bgwhite:Look at this Dudel250 (talk) 09:55, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

The Singularity film page reversion

Hi, Bgwhite....I see you have reverted the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_%28film%29 to the previous (stub) version...if I understand your reason correctly, it's because the article I wrote was about the content in the film, not "the film itself". I undertook this task on behalf of a new foundation (http://thefutureoflife.org/) - that I am now supporting - to update information about this film, that informs public discussion of significant technological changes coming soon to all of us, but perhaps I chose the wrong type of page to use for this purpose. I admit that I am new to Wikipedia's protocol and I need some help figuring out how to put up something useful to support this dialogue (that's my purpose from the FLi.org perspective). Can you please help me out here? What kind of page (if any such belongs on Wikipedia) should I craft? I saw the informative pages on Technological singularity and Accelerating Change, which cover the territory mapped by Kurzweil and others, but what I need to post is the community's reaction to these ideas...how can the insightful comments (from this film and elsewhere) to ignite public discussion be made available?

The unfortunate effect of this uninformative stub, with outdated and inaccurate information about the film, is to bury this film in obscurity (but it deserves public attention) - it's bad enough that the YouTube audience has rejected just because it's not FREE (but Doug Wolens did pay its production out of his own pocket). I would also like to fix that problem, but I can do that with a short set of revisions to the old links, etc. My real objective (as I said above) is help bring the ideas, the discussion, out into the open. What is the best way I should do this if I use Wikipedia as the public source?

Memera2014 (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)Memera2014

Memera2014 main problem was all the quotes. Adding some information on what the "singularity" is and isn't is ok. What are the main themes of the film? Can a few of the themes be written in a couple of paragraphs with one or two quotes from people? Tell the plot of Ramona. Add the {{Infobox film}} template to the page. Google uses the infobox, especially in the left side box where basic info of the film is given. The Future of Life doesn't have a wikipage. You should start one. I removed the email address so ad harvesters or others don't get it. You can email me by going to the right-hand sidebar on my talk page. There is an email link there. Bgwhite (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite I have revised page for The Singularity (film), to include the infobox and removed the comments. There is no way honest way to summarize the comments, since the respondents are really over the map on their responses...the best I can do is to recommend seeing the film. Thanks for your help. 70.184.115.156 (talk) 16:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)Memera2014

Invitation to comment on important issue in Fractional Reserve Banking

Hi, I am just reaching out to a few people that have previously made edits on the fractional reserve banking page. There is an important issue being discussed on the talk page which IMHO needs some neutral opinions. If you could make a comment, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Reissgo (talk) 19:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Univision Communications

Hey, the actual name for the Univision Communications page should be Univision Communications Inc. I was unable to do this because 6 years ago someone created a re-direct to Univision Communications from Univision Communications Inc. The page should be moved to its official name which is Univision Communications Inc., that was what I was trying to attempt to do. Any insight, tips or help would be appreciated. Thanks.--Monstermike99 (talk) 13:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Monstermike99, the problem is you went about moving it the wrong way. One cannot unilaterally move a page without discussion, especially a high profile page like Univision's. See WP:RM for more information on how to do the move. That being said, "Inc." is not needed. The vast majority of companies have Inc, LLC, GmbH, plc, etc... It is not necessary to have what type of corporation the company is. Also, a title is usually the most common name with redirects made of the less common ones. An example would be Comcast where the company's name is Comcast Corporation. Bgwhite (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, I will do that. I appreciate it. --Monstermike99 (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Massacre

Thank you for your edits to this article; you found a few glitches I missed when doing a massive update of the references. I have a bit of a quibble in one change, though. You changed http://https:// → http://; it should be the other way around. All urls at archive.org are now hosted by secure servers. (They didn't used to be, so I'm sure there's tons of citations out there that don't have it right.) I don't know if you can add something to the bot to evaluate this, but I would think if both are present, you would default to keeping the https://. Your fix, however, made me go looking at the rest of the references, this isn't the only one that uses http:// vs. https://, so I've fixed the others as well. Maybe that's something else the bot could do? Thanks for your help!—D'Ranged 1 ^talk 06:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

D'Ranged 1, the bot doesn't look at the link. As some sites may not have https, it just defaults the fix to http. There were 56 articles today with the same problem, but to all different links. So there would be a mighty big list to keep track of for https. That being said, when I manually run AWB, I have a find & replace that changes http on archive.org to https. I'd have to get permission to put that into the bot runs. Do you know of any bots that changes the url to https or know of any discussion where this should be done on all articles? Bgwhite (talk) 07:11, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite Thanks for the reply. It's been so long since I used any bots that I've forgotten how, and I'm not sure I want to learn again. I don't know where discussions of this sort take place, surely there is a "bot changes approval" forum or something? As for the list, I know it would be long - and grow - but isn't that what bots are for? Better to have the list centralized somewhere than leaving it up to individual users to make the changes, I think. That said, it's not something I think is of paramount importance; perhaps someone will get around to it someday. I shudder to think what will happen if all of a sudden http:// sites that have adapated https:// stop redirects from the former to the latter. I don't know much about web architecture, so I'm not even sure that this would ever happen. I just know that it does change over time, and it's possible this could be a "fix" in the future. Hopefully there would be advance announcements and someone could create a bot just for the fix. Sorry I can't be more help.—D'Ranged 1 ^talk 07:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

D'Ranged 1, yup, things change. I remember using gopher://. Sigh, I'm too old. I was hoping you knew where some input took place as it would be easier to get bot approval. There are people going around and changing http -> https in AWB manual mode. I've had to defend a few of them as people didn't think the change was necessary. Bgwhite (talk) 06:30, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite, you might want to chime in at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature requests#Archiveurl. (I went looking!) There's a link in the discussion for the proposed change to AWB to a discussion at the Village Pump. I didn't realize that using https:// would actually block some users from being able to access the link. It seems that the really correct thing to do would be to change the |archiveurl= to a protocol relative link, eliminating the http: or https: altogether.—D'Ranged 1 ^talk 12:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review

Hey BG, I'd like for you to comment at the DR for Brandon Cyrus, given that you are brought up in said discussion. I'm a little concerned about the claims made on my talk page and at the DR, as at times it infers that you supported keeping the article and that you were giving it overall clemency to remain on Wikipedia for a set amount of time. It's all small stuff in the end, but I'd recommend you making a small comment. I've said my peace and I'm going to try to stay away from the DR as a whole unless I have to step back in. Mostly I'm just saying that Cyrus fails NACTOR and that userfication would not be recommended in this instance as he's unlikely to show notability any time soon. I'm also worried about it being used in the attempt to repeatedly re-create the article in the mainspace and I'm somewhat convinced that it'd lead to eventual deletion anyway, especially since the editor in question doesn't seem to understand NACTOR and/or is willfully misinterpreting it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tokyogirl79:, what a mess. I think I'll stay out of the review as it looks like another snow case. Like to know where I said 7 days, removed the prod and the other things. As his target was set clearly on me, I've staid away. I was hoping that other people saying the same message would give Cyrus a clue. At the very least, keep the venom coming at me and not directed towards other people. Sigh. Bgwhite (talk) 18:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I fixed the ping to Tokyogirl79, but since it only activates when a new signature is added, I here add my beautiful signature. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:17, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ugh... it's so hard to stay away from that DR discussion given the stuff he's saying about notability guidelines, but no good will come out of me posting again, especially since others are trying their best to explain stuff. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I need help BG...

I need to find/make a barnstar/other prize to the person that has fixed the most CHECKWIKI's (syntax-errors as it is called on svwp) in this weeks "weekly competition". Any suggestions? (t) Josve05a (c) 20:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a, making a barnstar is easy. The hard part it the image. See if you can steal or modify an image that you want to use. Bgwhite (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I made this for competitions about geography, countries etc. but I have no idea of what I should use for picture, that represents CHECKWIKI...should I go for cogwheels...hmmm...I will get back to you with an update :D (t) Josve05a (c) 20:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a A listing of images are at c:Category:High-resolution barnstars. A dunce cap or the cap with the spinning wheel. would be ideal. Bgwhite (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite I went ahead and made my own. File:CHECKWIKI - Barnstar.png. (t) Josve05a (c) 17:21, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, I had created dozens of barnstar for WP:KITCHEN and somehow became a barnstar expert, he he. Do you think an easy barnstar creator would be helpful? Like {{subst:Barnstar creator|1=your image goes here|2=Your text goes here.}} Tito☸Dutta 08:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Ye it could be nice to have a such template. (t) Josve05a (c) 17:21, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For Helping With the "brandoncyrus" Fiasco That ended up turning into A legal threats Arguement Here Dudel250 (talk) 23:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Dudel250. Saying "fiasco" would probably be saying it too mildly. This wasn't my first situation like this and unfortunately won't be the last. I can brush these off. This is the hazard of reviewing new articles or fighting vandalism. I am extremely jealous of people like Joseve05. Joseve05 has been around a lot less time, but has racked up a ton of vandalism to his user and talk pages. Life isn't fair sometimes. I've stayed away because I was the fixation of his anger. As usual, the first one in gets the anger directed toward them, irregardless of what was being said. If I had written something in the DRV, I'd almost guarantee Cyrus would have been blocked. In the end, I got to talk to Tokyogirl again and got to be friends with some whacked out editors named Dudel250 and Solarra. :) Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah Right Now funny enough the editor is makeing legal threats and even insulted a bunch of people...It shocks me what some people will do for PR :/ Dudel250 (talk) 05:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-20

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Recent software changes

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf4) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 8. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on May 13, and all Wikipedias on May 15 (calendar).

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Recent changes India

I was checking this page and felt if we create a page, suppose Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Mostly linked pages with some 100 or so common WP India articles and use it as the "page", it might become a WikiProject India Recent changes patrol pages. Possible? Tito☸Dutta 09:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Yes, see Help:Public watchlist. Bgwhite (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Scouts vs. Zombies

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 and move it to Scouts vs. Zombies - Thanks. Target's just a redirect so remove it first. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 01:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Don't Mess with Texas (film)

Now again with this User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14, move it to Don't Mess with Texas (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 17:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC) Assassin, could you add atleast a couple of sentences on the plot of this film and the Zombie film. Also, remember to italicize the film's name in the article. Bgwhite (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Odd edits on 10 March

Hello, fellow gnome! I've stumbled across some odd edits you made on 10 March. I thought I'd better check with you first, but it looks like an AWB bug. It may have been fixed by now, of course, but I haven't seen anything relevant at WP:AWB/B or its recent archives.

Open this link to see the edits in sequence. Your edit to Glossary of Carnatic music correctly moved the "Indian classical music" portal link down to the bottom of the article. Then, over the course of the next few minutes, three of your next five edits somehow added this portal to other articles: List of Empire ships (U–Z), List of German television series, List of K.O.3an Guo characters.

Any ideas? -- John of Reading (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

John of Reading, you need to add the correct summary next time. It should had been written "Odd editor on 10 March". The problem was me being an idiot and not realizing what I was copy/pasting. Bgwhite (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Tee hee. At least we don't have to bother the developers with this one, then. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Non-governmental organization

Thank you to read the history of this article, I am not concerned with your comment:

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I wish you a good day. Trackteur (talk) 07:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

A Walk in the Woods (film)

Here goes a new proposal to move User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 to A Walk in the Woods (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 18:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Alejandra

Ah, I was google imaging this for the 1956 film, honest.. How many super hot women are called Alejandra hehe!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:11, 17 May 2014 (UTC)