Battlehawk

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On press releases

I appreciate your enthusiasm in trying to build the article. However, it has real notability issues - and the things that you're citing as "secondary sources" are press releases. If you review WP:COMPANY, you'll see that press releases are specifically excluded from establishing notability. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't mean that you cannot use press releases or primary sources for anything; they're allowed for non-controversial, non-self-aggrandizing information: "McDonald Duckless Inc. was founded in 18-aught-12 by Ferdinand Duckless" - that could be sourced to a corporate website. "Duckless is a trendsetter in their field and makes the finest all--selenium aircraft" -- then you're outside of things that can be sourced to primary sources... and nothing they say can be used to establish WP:NOTABILITY, which is a central problem with the article. --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I have scoured the internet trying to find a reasonable third party source for these guys and have found nothing. I'm legitimately trying and can't even find a true independent source of information that is not editable by the parent company. I guess this is just a tough case.

For anyone showing up to help, the "these guys" he's talking about is Neo-Pangea --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I found a few. These guys' clients are big. It shouldn't be a problem. Try using keywords directly related to the sentence you are 'proving'. For example: "Neo-pangea web design national geographic", "Neo-pangea web design wal-mart", etc. Also note that since the industry it is in is not the type that gets headlines on ordinary newspapers/news sites, you can probably use specialist websites (i.e. those catering purely to web design, graphics, or technology) that are not under the control or influence of the company can still count as secondary sources. The main problem is these guys are 'background people' (a problem with a lot of digital industries) and those rarely attract the attention of mainstream folks. However, the article itself is short enough that you don't really need to reference a lot of the sources. But yeah, try not to rely on press releases too much like what Nat Gertler said. --Obsidi♠n^Soul 04:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Here are some that I've found:

• http://www.interactivemediaawards.com/winners/winners.asp?sort=category (Interactive Media Awards)
• http://www.aaf.org/default.asp?id=1177 (American Advertising Federation awards)
• http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7325522 (ABC 6 Entertainment News)
• http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=100315 (Reading Eagle interview)
• http://www.myphl17.com/wphl-2010-philadelphia-addy-award-winners,0,3772690.htmlstory (PHL 17, Philadelphia My Network TV)

Thank you Obsidian Soul for your findings and NatGertler for your patience and guiding to write a better and more accurate article. I appreciate this :)--Battlehawk

Proposed deletion of Neo-Pangea

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Non-notable company, fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG.

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