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I'm not sure about this...

Regarding the revert of my change here, please look at from my perspective. I have spent A MONTH (so far) trying to get a simple typographical error corrected and I have had to jump through a thousand hoops for no reason whatsoever. And I do not want some innocent 3rd party to come along in a week, a month, or a year from now and make the same mistake and try to “correct” it back to the old incorrect format. So I used the invisible comment code to hopefully prevent some well-meaning person in the future from ruining my hard work. That seemed perfectly reasonable to me, since that's why Wikipedia created invisible codes in the first place.

So it is hardly “unnecessary” as you said it was, at least from my point of view (I would assume you would feel the same way if it had happened to you). And as I’m sure you know people don’t bother to read Talk Pages. But I'm especially bewildered by your use of “combative”. For the life of me I don't see why you'd think that, since there is exactly two people on Earth who know about it (that would be you and I). Combative to whom, for what reason, and why? Presumably the only person that would be directed at would be you, and if you think that, I can assure you it isn't.

You want to know what “over the top” is? It is the utterly ridiculous @#$%% I've had to go through this past month to just fix a typo. That is over the top. I mean I could have spent the last month of my life climbing Mt. Everest with one arm tied behind my back – that would have been much simpler and I don't want all that time and trouble to needlessly go to waste.

But I would like to ask you a philosophical question as I don't think you thought about it before you reverted the change. (I hope you will take this in the spirit it is intended.) Suppose I were to decide that I was tired of being a real life Sisyphus and decided to just walk away. You know that your action had reverted the page in question to the old factually incorrect way it was before. Would you take on the responsibility of correcting it, since it was your action of reverting it that restored it to its erroneous state? Did you think about that before you pushed the Undo button? It is the responsibility of every Wikipedia editor to help Wikipedia to be its best. So how does one justify reverting a page back to the old incorrect form? Please understand that I'm not criticizing you, I’m just trying to help you understand the implication of your actions. Respectfully, __173.235.84.234 (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I will be reporting your conduct to administators and will be having no further discussion with you. Make your edit. There is no reason to create hostile hidden messages to gloat to others that you are correct. For the record, you did absolutely nothing to prove your own point and only perpetuated the argument. ^†Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 20:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok, maybe my first reaction was harsh. Upon re-reading, I see your intention to understand and try to reach a resolution. I understand your perspective, but unfortunately if we left hidden messages for situations like this it would become a total mess and would devolve into passive aggressive note-leaving, in addition to other un-productive behavior. If you are concerned about people reverting your edit there are a few things you can do: 1. Watchlist the page and monitor edits. 2. Leave a note in the history of your edit. 3. Leave a note on the talk page. I personally do all three things when I am concerned about people reverting edits that they may not fully understand. As I pointed out above, I do want it to be known that you did nothing to prove your own point in the dispute about production codes. Wikipedia is based on verifiable evidence; in the future if you are in a similar dispute, please provide a citation/proof for your claim. Additionally, Wikipedia works through community consensus; while it can be frustrating at times, disputes are often subject to lengthy discussions. If we did not follow these policies it would be much easier for bad information to end up in articles. ^†Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 20:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, I see you've done it again

You know, if they ever compile a list of the most absurd editing disputes in the history of Wikipedia, this one should be on it – if not at the top of it. If this weren't such an unnecessarily annoying nuisance it would be rather amusing. But it isn't, and your conduct is completely inappropriate. I don't know why you think that the rules of Wikipedia don't apply to you, and that you can just ignore them as you like, but I'm going to try to help you get a clue, assuming that's possible. Based upon your conduct so far it doesn't seem very likely. But I'll try anyway, because unlike you, I do believe in building a better encyclopedia.

Now what I'm about to say may seem pedantic if not patronizing. That is not my intention, but it appears that I must state this in as simple a form so that a child would understand; it's clear you haven't understood anything so far. I also want to point out something that would not be apparent to you without me telling you. I'm not somebody who just discovered Wikipedia for the first time. I am a long time editor who has been working on this almost since it began; in other words, I started editing here when you were probably still in elementary school. So I know what I'm talking about when I say something. It would behoove you to listen to somebody for a change. Why in the world do you think I would be so adamant about this if I didn't know I was right? Don't you ever think? Or do you simply catapult to some conclusion and refuse to listen to anyone else?

Okay, enough spleen venting. Now onto the issues at hand, your irrational actions and your bad behavior.

As I see it, this was what your options were back when you were about to make your monumental mistake:

1. Do nothing and leave it as it was. (This of course is what you should have done, but that ship has sailed, alas); or,

2. Do nothing at first, and write a message asking to discuss your objection. Assuming I had responded (which I would have) and you could have collaborated with me and resolved the matter. (I still don't understand why you don't think you have to follow Wikipedia's rules on collaboration. Perhaps you'll explain that when you respond to this??) In the event I never responded, you could have then proceeded to the next step, which should have been to …

3. Leave my corrections of the incorrect data (for which you knew I was correct) and changed the parts you objected to. Had you done that, you would have at least not been guilty of violating one the fundamental principals of Wikipedia, that every editor is responsible for building a better encyclopedia. And in case you didn't already know this, recklessly restoring a page to its previous incorrect state where it is riddled with errors is not building a better encyclopedia. How do you not understand that??

In short, you did what you shouldn't have done: you failed to exercise prudent judgement, you refused to collaborate, you simply reverted it without thinking, and you created a mess. And you further compounded the mess by refusing to discuss the matter. If you can find something in Wikipedia policy that supports any of your actions I'd like to see it. But let me warn you ahead of time – it doesn't exist.

And another thing: you say that I need to seek consensus. Now I realize that some people when they are confronted by a mess they have created try to foist it off onto someone else, like you refusing to collaborate and instead say I should go to other people for consensus. I don't need consensus. Why would I need consensus? To use something for the very reason it was created? To use it for one of the reasons provided for its use on its own Help Page?? What are you talking about??

Furthermore you make another one of your bizarre accusations when you also claim I didn't verify my changes. Would you please explain how you came to that ridiculous conclusion? Yet another example of your alleged psychic powers ???

And I didn't bother to address your asinine assumption that you could read my mind and somehow divine my inner thoughts that purportedly motivated my actions, because it's just to stupid to waste my time with. How would you like it if I recklessly accused you of being woman who hates men and that's why you pointlessly blocked my corrections? How would you feel about that?

I sincerely hope that you will take this in the spirit it is intended. I don't know how to get you to understand what the reality of the situation is. In the event you do not make a constructive reply to this, and answer my questions above, and you continue to refuse to follow Wikipedia's policies I will have no recourse but to go to Dispute Resolution and hope that somebody there can help you see the light. And after that go to ANI since you have so needlessly caused so much pointless grief.

Sincerely, __Plato's Stepchild (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

The reasons why your edits are not appropriate have been explained to you in great detail by myself and admin @Oshwah:. There are many dispute resolution options available to you; leaving rambling, over-emotional and insulting messages on an editors page or just waiting until you think everyone has forgotten and making your edit are not among them. Your comments about conduct and behavior are pure projection of your own behavior and absolutely laughable; I don’t believe I’ve insulted you as you have done to me with every comment and your conduct is the only conduct that is against Wikipedia policy as you don’t have WP:CONSENSUS for the edit you know is disputed. Consensus is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia; your lack of familiarity with it shows that you’re not the master Wikipedian that you claim to be. I suggest you pursuit one of those dispute resolutions if you feel so strongly about your hidden messages. Do not contact me further unless it is an invitation to your dispute resolution, I am not obligated to take your abuse. If you continue to contact me hostilely I will file an ANI. ^†Basilosauridae❯❯❯Talk 20:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm not surprised by your response, or rather by the lack of one. I, unlike you, cannot read another person's mind so I don't know why you don't at least try to make a meaningful response to something I say, but I'm used to it by now.

Unfortunately due to a construction thing where I live that will apparently go on until sometime into the near future, I don’t have ready access to the internet. This means I have to actually go to another location and I can’t just sit at my computer and send this off, which makes this already ornery dispute that much, much more aggravating. Had that not been the case I would have already taken you to Dispute Resolution and ANI months ago and gotten this whole stupid mess done with.

I hope you realize that you will someday have to explain why you restored a page that you knew was riddled with errors. It’s absolutely unbelievable that anyone would do this. How do you not understand that?

And since you apparently aren’t aware of it I’ll quote the actual policy on the proper use from the Help Page in question: Providing information to assist other editors in preventing a common mistake. For example … it may be appropriate to let other editors know about the error to prevent a likely re-insertion of the error.That is exactly what I was doing. How do you not understand that?

I guess it will take a Wiki Administrator to explain it to you. C’est la vie.

Utterly bewildered, I remain respectfully yours, __Plato's Stepchild (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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I don't know if you remember me from a year ago, but we had a dispute that was never resolved, mainly due to the fact I didn't have ready access to the Internet at that time. Well now I do, if only for the time being, so I would like to get this mess resolved once for all. I'm giving you advance warning, since the last time I thought I had your permission to correct the page you turned around and accused me of trying to slip one by you (why, I don't know) so I'm giving you advance warning in case you wish to say something before I do so. If for some inexplicable reason you still object to me correcting a page riddled with errors, please explain why, or if you want, we can go to Dispute Resolution.

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