Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (June 17)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 15)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work. Dan arndt (talk) 07:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 18)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

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An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. DoubleGrazing's comment from September still applies: "For notability, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources." The sources you've added since then do not contain significant coverage of the topic. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

I do not understand why you have decided at this point in time to move the article. I had added many citations since DG's comments. I have added further additional citations in any case. Ballantyne82 (talk) 05:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
The citations you've been adding have not addressed the main problem: you need to demonstrate that the institute is notable by citing reliable, secondary sources that provide significant coverage about AIMS. If you post at the draft talk page and say something like "here are three reliable sources, all totally independent of AIMS, that wrote at least a couple of paragraphs about the institute itself" your draft is likely to be approved. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

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An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Randykitty (talk) 09:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

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Hi, two different experienced editors have moved your article back to draft. Instead of edit warring about that, you'd better try to understand why the think your draft isn't ready and then address that problem. Then somebody else will approve your draft and move it to article space. I'm going to move it back onoe more time. Please realize that your behavior is disruptive and that continuing warring about this may get you blocked from editing (by an uninvolved admin, not me). --Randykitty (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

I have independent sources from newspapers and TV. Why is this not enough? Ballantyne82 (talk) 22:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • I have posted a detailed evaluation of the current 14 sources on the talk page of the draft. It should be obvious what the problem is. Most of those references are trivial and should be replaced with sources that discuss the institute in-depth. --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    How convenient that the only article that discusses the organisation in depth is "not accessible outside of Australia". You've got to be kidding. Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Well, it isn't, at least I get a message saying "not available in your location". And as I explained in that analysis, even if that one reference would turn out to be "in-depth" (which I doubt), one source still isn't enough to show notability. --Randykitty (talk) 07:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    What definition of "in-depth" are you using? My topic is about an academic institute. Notability guidelines relevant to academic topics applies and I believe I have followed them. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

*Exactly. In case you didn't notice, Ballantyne82, each one of the 8 criteria of that guideline starts with "The person...". --Randykitty (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

So explain to me why other institutes, such as the Institute for Balkan Studies (Serbia) - Wikipedia doesn't need any citations? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
I proposed deletion of that article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Gee your fast, and what about Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" - Wikipedia? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
So why doesn't Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" have any citations? Which guidelines do you apply for this institute? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
If it doesn't have any citations, you could either find and add some, or propose that it be deleted. There are other options too, like asking at a WikiProject or using WP:AFD. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
So why didn't you take action then, like you did on the previous one? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thankfully, the responsibility for searching for sources to support unsourced articles is not mine alone. Nor is deciding whether to prod articles when my search comes up short. I spent some time, which I feel good about spending, looking for such sources for the Balkan Studies article and AIMS. I don't really feel like doing so for the Macedonian language article. You can if you want to! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Ballantyne82, please have a look at WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
I am waiting.for your answer to my question....the hypocrisy clock is ticking.... Ballantyne82 (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • The answer is in OTHERCRAPEXISTS, but as you apparently either didn't look at that or didn't understand it, here's the gist of it: WP has millions of articles and thousands of editors. Sometimes articles that are below par hang around for years before someone gets around looking at them seriously. There are many badly-sourced/unsourced articles on WP, that's a reason to look for them and do something about it if one has the time to do so. It's not a reason to create more of such badly-sourced articles. And proposing something for deletion costs a lot of time and effort (see WP:BEFORE). --Randykitty (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
    You are ignoring my question. You do not want to look at the article I pointed you to because it will show you are not acting in good faith. This has become obvious to me. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace

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An article you recently created, Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Randykitty (talk) 13:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (January 9)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mattdaviesfsic was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Concern regarding Draft:Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your draft article, Draft:Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies

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Hello, Ballantyne82. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply