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July 2015

Hello, I'm Kautilya3. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Gurjara-Pratihara, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Unsourced additions

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Gurjar, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 13:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Gurjara-Pratihara. Your edits have been or will be reverted or removed.

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Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

You have been told before, you can see that the changes you made had been reverted by more than one person, and you do know about talk pages. In addition, you have previously been informed of the special sanctions regime that exists for articles such as this. You are going to find yourself subjected to those sanctions unless you stop acting against consensus. - Sitush (talk) 17:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Excuse me? Its the other editor who has not explained his edit, AT ALL, not me. I clearly supported my previous edit with reliable sources on the Talk page, as well as this edit. I explained this edit on the talk page, BEFORE I MADE THIS EDIT. I sense you have a clear personal bias against me on this issue. So I would advise you to not threaten me with baseless accusations. Axtramedium (talk) 17:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I know what you said on the talk page - that's why I pointed out that you are obviously aware of it. Merely making a statement on that page does not give you the right to overturn long-standing material in the article itself. You need to get agreement to do so. I doubt that you will because I'm fairly sure it has been discussed several times in the past. - Sitush (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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@Bishonen: here we go again, it seems. Yet another salvo in the ongoing campaign by Axtramedium to force through changes to the Gurjara-Pratihara article. It's a shoot-first-ask-questions-later scenario, despite the numerous warnings and explanations above. See this latest attempt to change the etymology section (reverted by me) and the revived discussion thread here that began around a year ago and has rumbled on ever since.

Axtramedium, can you please confirm that you understand WP:BRD. Your repeated attempts to force through changes to the article itself, basically making the same point each time, and then engaging in tendentious discussion when reverted amounts to a breach of that convention. - Sitush (talk) 09:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Sitush, you have been accusing and threatening from the get go. I have only edited the article directly once or twice, and each time I have made discussed the changes on the talk page before I made them directly on the main article. You are simply lying when you accuse me of "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" attitude. Even regarding the last edit, I have taken every care to take into account everything I have discussed at length on the talk page. I asked you to list your objections, and so far in your three replies, you still have to point out what improvement are you making to the article by reverting me edits. When I have clearly pointed out to you that there is crucial information that you are leaving out, which is apparent in the very name of the dynasty.

You have said some clearly inflammatory remarks towards the Gujjar community on the talk page, which puts you in the list of biased editors. You have deliberately tried to mute any mention of the word Gujjar on this article, all the while making remarks about them. This is your latest stance in achieving that goal, to try to mute my contribution, which has significantly improved the etymology section of the article. Axtramedium (talk) 09:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Have you read WP:BRD? It is that simple, really. You are effectively a single-purpose account and your repeated attempts to assert a connection between the modern Gurjar caste and the ancient Gurjara people goes beyond what a balanced view of the sources would permit. I am not the only person who has told you this but still you persist in making changes and then rebutting challenges. In a BRD situation, you are supposed to make proposals for changes, gain consensus for them and only then implement. - Sitush (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I am still waiting for you to show any reliable sources which actually contend the connection between the ancient Gurjaras and modern day Gujjars. I can assure you, you will find none. As you have not provided any sources denying my assertions, which I have and can provide sources for, what gives your opinion the upper hand over mine? Your sense of entitlement is bewildering to me Axtramedium (talk) 10:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

See the article talk page. This has been discussed extensively there by yourself, me, utcursch, Kautilya3 etc. Your talk page is not the place to discuss the minutiae of article sourcing. I commented here on behavioural grounds, not content. - Sitush (talk) 10:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

If you cannot understand BRd and you persist in tendentious behaviour then there is only one likely outcome for a single-purpose account, ie: you will find yourself topic banned. - Sitush (talk) 10:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome to think whatever you think, but I have simply started at the first section of the article. Apparently, your bias is still keeping me there, because it refuses to accept a fundamental fact regarding the historiography of the Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty. And I AM STILL WAITING for you on the article talk page to come up with any sources which contend my assertions, and I am afraid I have repeatedly told you that I havent found any such source either on the main article, or on the talk page. But you still keep telling me to "go read the page", instead of taking the liberty to actually substantiate your claims by listing those sources, which tells me a lot about your whole stance in the first place. Simply, baseless. Axtramedium (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Sitush doesn't have anything against any community. He is just sick and tired of the POV pushers trying to glorify their own communities. My response to the current exchange is here. I don't think your new version is any improvement. It is overweight on "Gurjara" but downplays the "Pratihara," which is supposed to be the real name of the dynasty. It is also clear that your only interest is in the etymology section of this article, and the "Gurjara" part of the etymology section. You keep coming back every few months with the same old POV pushing. I would support a page ban. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

So two friends have decided to gang up on me in hopes of censoring an opinion which is clearly against their wishes, what a surprise. You guys are certainly amusing because of your childish efforts to put a display of "consensus" against me. Let me remind you guys, we are not the scholars and authors who get to decide this, the academic community has already divided itself along two broad lines, and we simply have to report that. Whether today you guys will let me to that or not is irrelevant. Axtramedium (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I may as well add what the etymology section looked like before I edited it, and how it looks after I have edited it. I will leave it to the unbiased readers of this page to decide which one is more informative for the readers, given that is the purpose of Wikipedia. Before my edit. After my edit. Axtramedium (talk) 11:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

If you want to do anything with the Etymology section, you need to keep it extremely brief, and say nothing about the origins, which is covered in a separate section. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You guys are such lowly cowards, you cant stand alone, need five with you to make one man. Typical Rajputs. I am out of here. Axtramedium (talk) 11:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a Rajput. I'm not even of Indian descent. - Sitush (talk) 11:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016

You have inserted a revised version of the edit you proposed here in July 2015, despite failing to get consensus for it (or indeed to get any agreement at all). Editing boldly is one thing, but pushing through your preferred version after there's consensus against it is quite different; it's disruptive and timewasting. Please work with others in a respectful way (there's nothing respectful about your most recent posts, on the article talkpage or here), don't make accusations without diffs such as, to Sitush, "You have said some clearly inflammatory remarks towards the Gujjar community on the talk page, which puts you in the list of biased editors";[1] without evidence, that's a pure personal attack. Don't make unreasonable demands on their time, and do follow our policies, or you will be topic banned from Gurjara-Pratihara and related pages. Bishonen | talk 11:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC).

I am sorry my respect is reserved for the people who deserve it, not one sided people like Sitush and Kautilya. And the fact that you have supported them undeservedly puts in the same line of losers. Good bye, enjoy your high horse you piece of shit. Axtramedium (talk) 11:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

"Undeservedly"? Well, thank you for that, at least. Bishonen | talk 14:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC).

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