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Copyright edit
Note that we also do not link to websites with copyright materials. Also see WP:COI. Dougweller (talk) 08:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
The site which was linked to is a member of the media, which is how the files were obtained directly from the Florida State Attorney's Office. On a page discussing the shooting of Trayvon Martin, it would seem prudent to included the witness interviews in their entirety. The mainstream media is releasing only clips of the witness testimony, and this does not allow people to hear what the witnesses said in their entirety--the actual source of these clips being played in the media. There is no copyright on the witness audio recordings, because they are public information. Axiomamnesia (talk) 22:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, it's just important that there's no copyvio on it. Looks like a good site. Dougweller (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it is important that the public have access to the full interviews.Apostle12 (talk) 18:16, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Interestingly, the resolution of the issue with the addition to the page that was requested is a bunch of nonsense. These so-called "editors" have determined that the source is "not reliable." We have a situation where NONE of the major media outlets are posting the full witness interviews. Yet, when the audio IS posted in its entirety--audio obtained DIRECTLY FROM THE FL STATE'S ATTY OFFICE--the dispute is that the source is unreliable. This is the problem with the media to begin with. The information is not being released to the public! And when it actually is released, it is disputed as unreliable. It is obvious that the preference is to link to mainstream sources that are using clips, often taken out of context or ignoring obviously important facts. Finally, the article in question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin) is basically pro-Zimmerman. Anyone who reads it can see the obvious bias of the "editors," who seem dead set on making disparaging remarks about the victim. One need only look as far as the talk page for the article to see where their heads are on the subject. Multiple people have commented about how their changes were reverted. This article is extremely imbalanced in its coverage of the shooting of Trayvon Martin. The racist overtones are appalling. It's like rewriting history--rewriting the official record... shameful! Why are they afraid to post the full audio of the witness statements? Why would these editors choose edited audio clips over allowing people to listen to the entire witness interviews? It makes absolutely no sense, but it is the reason why people remained ill-informed on most subjects--the facts aren't readily available for them to review for themselves. As such, they're left to whatever's presented to them through the lens and filter of the media, and Wikipedia and its point-promoted "editors" are complicit in this.Axiomamnesia (talk) 19:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Blocked account edit
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It makes absolutely no sense that a user wouldn't be allowed to change their user name under circumstances like these. "Oh just go and sign up for a new account." No doubt that the user name issue came up upon the review of an edit under the unofficial "let's see how we can blacklist this person" policy. Foolishness...Axiomamnesia (talk) 19:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- No, it's pretty routine actually. Signing up for a new account is changing your name. You can even add a link to your old account to show you made those edits. What can't be done for technical reasons is change the name on an existing account. If that were possible I would have done that long ago. For the same reasons we can't delete accounts. Just set up a new account, it's really nothing major at all. Dougweller (talk) 21:01, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- Seems silly that such a big site hasn't figured out how to implement such a change. The consequence is an unnecessary number of user names/multiple accounts. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to know your thoughts on my comments in the copyright section above. That's the major issue here IMO.Axiomamnesia (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- I think because of the size the databases are too complex. Certainly deleting an account would require deleting all their edits, which could cause all sorts of problems. Have you read [1]? I can't speak for all the editors at his article, but I can assure you that Moonriddengirl and I aren't Zimmerman supporters. The copyvio issue is a bit intricate but not key, the fact that these are being accessed from your site and not directly is the real problem. I am definitely not accusing you of changing anything, but we always want to source such stuff from an official site or one with a proven track record of accuracy, and virtually never from a personal website. You've got a good site there, just not one we can use for this. Florida gun law is dreadful, glad I don't live there anymore. Dougweller (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- I understand that you want to source as much as possible, but I think that you are ignoring the obvious here. This is ACTUAL AUDIO of people making statements. It's the information straight from the horse's mouth. This is currently the ONLY place that has the full audio posted on the web accessible to the public. As you know, the Florida State Attorney's Office requires a press account to access the files. The funny thing is that the main page of the article links to YouTube videos as sources. How do you verify that? Somehow THAT information made it into the article, but nobody wants to add the actual audio of the witness statements. This is not a situation where we have written that "So and so said this or that." This is the opportunity for people to hear exactly what the witnesses said for themselves without the media filter. As far as who is a supporter of whom, I really think that our personal views are irrelevant when attempting to put forth a balanced account of the events surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin. The article has an apparent pro-Zimmerman slant though, and that's a disservice to all the people who come to the page wanting to know everything about the incident. For the record, the site is not a "personal" website--it's alternative media. What we're talking about here is the difference between mainstream and alternative media. It's obvious that none of the mainstream media has released the full witness statements. If so, you'd be linking to that. The audio speaks for itself, and the refusal of people to use common sense in thinking through this is exactly why people don't have the information they need. Furthermore, it perpetuates the status quo.Axiomamnesia (talk) 00:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- I think because of the size the databases are too complex. Certainly deleting an account would require deleting all their edits, which could cause all sorts of problems. Have you read [1]? I can't speak for all the editors at his article, but I can assure you that Moonriddengirl and I aren't Zimmerman supporters. The copyvio issue is a bit intricate but not key, the fact that these are being accessed from your site and not directly is the real problem. I am definitely not accusing you of changing anything, but we always want to source such stuff from an official site or one with a proven track record of accuracy, and virtually never from a personal website. You've got a good site there, just not one we can use for this. Florida gun law is dreadful, glad I don't live there anymore. Dougweller (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)