User talk:Armon/Archive 1 Jan 2008

Discussion of the Jenin Massacre

Over at Battle of Jenin you wrote as follows:

There are multiple RSs stating that the UN report cleared the IDF of the massacre charge. It simply did not happen. It's not our job to argue with RSs. The fact is, the UN report, not to mention every other RS, has "cleared" the IDF of the massacre charge. It's therefore inappropriate to phrase it as "interpreted as rejecting claims of a 'massacre.'" as though this fact is somehow in dispute -it's not. Even the PA backed off the claim. <<-armon->> 09:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Whereas I can find nothing of the kind, nothing to indicate that "multiple RS's" eventually decided there was no massacre. Here is one of the more thoughtful portions of the pro-Israel blogosphere: "The systemic building up of a false, biased picture of Israel as an aggressor and the deliberate murderer of Palestinian babies and children by the British/European media is slowly chipping away at Israel's legitimacy. Because the Big Lie works." Although reports like this often target the whole of the Western world other than the US, in fact, the US media were not much better as far as Israel was concerned. PR^talk 20:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what your point is here. The guy you quoted is referring to the massacre charge as a Big Lie propaganda technique. Even if we accept his thesis that the media is sloppy -or worse- in their coverage of the I/P conflict, the fact still remains that the UN, AI, HRW, even the IDF and the Palestinian National Authority no longer assert that hundreds were killed. That the "massacre" didn't happen, is no longer subject to any real debate. What is subject to debate, is if the IDF committed war crimes, as AI and HRW assert. <<-armon->> 22:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Commodore Sloat-Biophys closed

The above arbitration case has been closed. Commodore Sloat and Biophys are instructed to refrain from interacting with or commenting about each other in any way. Failure to do so voluntarily may result in the imposition of a formal restriction on their editing. Picaroon (t) 02:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

List of massacres during the Second Intifada

Where is the discussion currently happening? Talk:List of massacres during the Second Intifada is now redirected to a deleted page, so I'm confused about where things stand. --MPerel 22:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't what happened but it seems OK for me -try this link. Cheers <<-armon->> (talk) 10:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)