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Happy editing! Ekdalian (talk) 07:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Ekdalian , thanks for the welcome message. Your edit was the last on the article of Madan Mohan Malviya you added that either he was Kayastha or Brahmin and left summary the first few sources say Kayastha but have you checked the sources thoroughly ?

The sources added by caliming him Kayastha are :

1. The first source is an aritcle of Pioneer which talks about mythical origin of Kayasthas not about Malviya. So this sources is completely waste here.

2. The second source is THE UNTAUGHT HISTORIAN which is a private wordpress website , which mentions him Kayastha Brahmin , now thw question is wtf is a Kayasth Brahmin ? And you know very well wordpress is web content management system that anyone can pay and start his own website.

3. The 3rd source is this Origins of the Kayastha Temperance Movement and in this article citation 27 says below thing :

The congruence between temperance workers and activists in other fields of endeavour is not confined to the Kayasthas. For instance, the following gentlemen, whose names figured prominently in the public life of North India in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century were also prominent in temperance activities in the late nineteenth century : Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya; Ganga Prasad Varma; Bishan Narayan Dhar; Hamid Ali Khan; Pandit Ajodhia Nath; Pandit Bishamber Nath. The list is by no means complete.

Here : not confined to Kayasthas means the names given like Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya; Ganga Prasad Varma; Bishan Narayan Dhar; Hamid Ali Khan; Pandit Ajodhia Nath; Pandit Bishamber Nath are not Kayastha which eventually proofs he was not a Kayastha.

4. And the 4th source is this article in which written below thing :

There was, many years ago, a prize distribution at

the Kayastha Pathshala at Allahabad where he (Malviya)

and I had both gone. It was presided over by an English

judge of the Allahabad High Court, who was accompa-

nied by his unmarried young daughter, who looked the

very picture of health and strength. At the close of the

meeting Malayaji turned to me and said: “Did you notice

anything?” I replied that I was myself thinking of that

matter. He exclaimed, “when shall we have such girls in

our country? (ibid, 107-8)

Now after reading the paragrah it clearly shows Manmohan Singh & MM Malviya were gone to Kayastha Pathshala for prize distribution. And if this is a source than MM Singh can added as Kayastha(jokes apart)

5. Now 5th source is a tweet by a journo in which does not provide any source but wrote he was a Kayasth by his own will now same like him many journos do fake propoganda on twitter we should also believe them ? the answer is no until and unless there is a source.

6. Now I am giving you few more sources of him being a Brahmin:

(i) BARTH RATNA PANDIT MADAN MOHANMALAVIYA HIGH - PRIEST OF INDIAN NATIONALISM (1861-1946.A.D) by Dr. M.RamagopalLecturer in HistoryS.A.R.M Degree College Allagadda, Kurnool District, ANDHRA PRADESH

(ii) His Jayanti was celebrated by Gaur Brahmins every year as he was one of them. Some more link to this kind of news.

(iii) Even he was criticised by orthodox Brahmins for his efforts to reform Hinduism as he was Brahmin.

Now regarding to that Kayastha thing , Kayasthas as a community are doing online propoganda especially on Wikipedia. When I check history of the article Gaur Brahmins I found that they vandalized the whole wikipedia page of Gaur Brahmins. I am adding links below their vandalization :

1. This one claims there are no Gaur Brahmins but Kayasthas.

2. This one too in which he vandalized completley the whole page and he was the same guy who was re editing the page of MM Malviya and adding Kayastha in the article. You can cross check his contributions.

I hope , I am able to put my points clearly. Arindam Vats (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; it would have been better if you had posted the same on the article talk page. Anyway, I shall remain alert as far as any such POV-pushing in the article on Gaur Brahmin is concerned! I have added both the views considering WP:NPOV; you may post the details mentioned above in the article talk for further discussion. If you want, let other experienced editors express their opinion. Ekdalian (talk) 18:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert , I tried to write my concern on article talk page but not able to add. What should I do now ? Arindam Vats (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Use the 'Add topic' option. Ekdalian (talk) 06:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)