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Hi, when editing, please don't use the minor tag unless it's a small edit like a spelling correction or something else that isn't an addition of content. It appears you've been using it on almost every edit to Montessori in Thailand‎. You can read WP:MINOR for more. tedder (talk) 01:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tedder

I use actually the other one too but OK I can use it more often. It is a work in progress as we have the International Montessori Congress upcoming in Bangkok and thousands of Montessorians will attend and it is a great chance to present Thailand but also actually Wikipedia that is always looking for funds and most Montessorians have finds ;-). Thailand has a huge raise in Public Montessori Schools and the Information about those is not easy to find because of the language problems. If you have never been to Thailand you might not know that they don't write in latin letters. They have their own writing and you can't even reproduce those on your normal keyboard if you don't know where to click and you don't have a Thai and Eng keyboard. In the past many people complained sbout that it is so difficult to find information about existing Montessori Schools in Thailand, especially Public ones (they usually have no English page. On the other side this is very essential for most public Montessori Schools here in Thailand that they can be found because many of them lack also of support and the international Montessori Community can definitely help here and the best place and the most centralized place to find the information for FREE (there are commercial portals but even they only focus on some schools and never all - those who pay them) The best place is definitely the Wikipedia Encyclopedia and we hope that step by step also the schools itself will create an own page about their school (they can do that because it costs nothing then time! on Wikipedia).

@Steven (Editor)

The Maps are important too and are also on benefit for Wikipedia because as you probably have realized only a few Maps in larger scale exist -Those are pretty unusable to present the spread of schools. We are working on getting all Thai Provinces Mapped - each province for itself - this means 78 new images mapped to long lat on Wikipedia representing all THai Provinces. As this is a work in Process we inserted the locations where possible already and are using a larger map meanwhile.

Maps are an important factor for scientific researches. It took us actually over 3 years to gather all the information you see right now. This all gets done to encourage other schools to introduce the Montessori Method to their curriculum, like the schools Jimmy Wales went - they were no Montessori School but they orientated their way in educating children on the way how Montessori did it. And many others actually went to a Montessori School, like the Google Guys, or Bezos from Amazon or Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates and many more.

An Enzyclopedia was and is a place where you will find information and that is exactly what it is and it will pull researchers to Wikipedia and helps also Wikipedia to raise more funds and to be much better known also in countries like Thailand where English Proficiency is still pretty weak.

about 2 decades ago I already had a talk on an international conference about "Wikipedia - the biggest Schoolbook of the world" and I demonstrated to the Thai and International Audience how this biggest schoolbook could be use on a daily schedule even to make school life much more interesting. Main point is that to do so you need information that is well structured like a directory of schools, where you can see also where they are located and how many etc. Similar Pages exist on Wikipedia already about National Monuments and many other topics.

When you can't find information you are looking for o Wikipedia - i.e. when you are looking for a school because you move to Thailand. Then you won't visit also Wikipedia anymore ;-) and everyone that skips actually wikipedia or puts it down as an unreliable resource might be even happy about that loss because they can make money with the information those people are looking for. The goal of Wikipedia on the other side was to make information available and accessible for everyone no matter how rich they are.

I hope you understand now why the maps and why the longer list. Enjoy it and be happy that somebody else invested YEARS in research to gather all that information together or would you have done the same - for no financial rewards by the way? Apapococ (talk) 02:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

The bulk of this content may be better suited to a website. tedder (talk) 04:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tedder I don't think it woudl be suited for a website as on a website

• the content would be available perhaps only temporary:
• it involves additional efforts and mostly also costs if people like to contribute
• information would be spread again all over the place without any consistency

I have actually another idea and like to hear from you what you think about. From a practical point as an Editor and Wikiwriter I have the problem with longer articles, no matter where, because they are also easily "Gone" if something goes wrong and people don't pay attention what they edit. Leaving out a bracket i.e. can crash the site easily. Therefore, I actually would like to do the following.

I will keep the general table on the Montessori Thailand Page as it is the central point where then people can move further to subpages or better said a subpage would be i.e. Montessori in Province A, Montessori in Province B would be another one.

On those pages then the Map for the province woudl be and the specific Table only but a link of course to the central Montessori in Thailand Page too.

Each single province has actually his own Montessori history, as usually those are people who start a Montessori Movement in an area. We have to do the same actually also in other countries, i.e. USA where we simply have to many Montessori Schools already in one State - and that would tremendously increase the amount of content on those pages and that again would bear the danger of problems caused by contributors as a long page is much more vulnerable as a not so long one. Besides that most development of the Movement in those areas also depends on cultural and local differences and also political systems in some states - i.e. in a Province in Germany "Baden Wuerttemberg" you can set up easily a Montessori School, in Bavaria too but in other Provinces it is a real headache because the political situation is different, and they don't like so much free thinking like Montessori does. ;-)

The content of the Montessori in Thailand page would solely be focussed on the general development in the whole country of Thailand and would show the Montessori Thailand Map that you see at last on the bottom right now and of course the text parts that have been already written on the page.

Below that big Thailand Map (I would move the Tables below) then ONLY the tables would show up. This will also help to direct people to the right page when they are looking for Montessori in Thailand or a Montessori School in Thailand - no changes need to be done here. All the titles of thos Tables that are right now above the map will be linked to a separate NEW Province Page - Montessori in Province A, Montessori in Province B, etc.

On those provincial pages then the structure woudl be like on the then revised Montessori in Thailand page

Introduction

History of the Development in a Province

Perhaps a section about the province itself in relation to Montessori and why Montessori here

Then the Table Map (those you see right now above all provincial Tables - the images will be changed as soon as we have them ready here as that takes some time as no provincial map that does not contain any other data already exists on Wikipedia. But we need the current Map at least to simply see how we adjust the label of each entry - we need to see that visually and the image can be changed later easily.) -

Below the Map would be the Table as the one you see on the general site Montessori in Thailand with the big Thailand Map.

And then the Links and refercens and also the Legend of the Map icons I woudl need to move and copy actually on each page and therefore would move it below the Table.

Benefit of that approach woudl be ti have it much easier to edit as some people live in low speed areas and they will have certainly problems to edit in a big page like right now while they get also much more motivated to write more about their individual history on the Provincial site and additionally hopefully they also get motivated to put information for their own school history together so that the link that points right now to an external page would then link to an internal wikipedia Page.

Why Wikipedia as a central point? That you might ask.

To underatsn this you need to understand the situation here in Thailand where businesses without a Facebook page or LineApp account simply won't run at all, and that is also for NGO projects and Public Schools the case. Everybody hangs and is addicted to those smartphones and on all the private sites they will get spammed with advertisings - as all those need to finance their appearances and webspace too while the Wikipedia content is not only 100% free to view but you would need to even a website at all as wikipedia pages rank usually if they are written with good content pretty high. People here don't set up websites anymore they rather set up a Facebook Page and a Facebook page and even wordpress blog page that runs on wordpress.com or similar will cause problems with Wikipedia, even it is their school website. Additionall people who write or contribute content are hold to adhere to the wikipedia rules and standards and this means they also need to produce informative and valuable content and no SEO improtant content that often gets written only for websites so they can get a higher ranking but they mostly actually spare out the truth and valuable and clearly to understand content itself.

Montessori in Thailand (or any other country that will follow in the next weeks and months, we only started with Thailand because of the conference that takes place in Thailand and that will attract thousands of Montessorians from worldwide.) would then only LINK to another

• "Provincial Page" and that provincial page woudl exist for each single Province and they all would have a similar structure as described above but they woudl not talk about what is Montessori or who was Maria Montessori etc as that again would link to those specif pages that match that topic. And some schools already have specific Wikipedia Pages and those would be then linked (where they exist) to the Table entries of the school and with a click on the name people woudl get directed to those "School" pages
• "School Pages"

In case of USA and also Germany in some provinces that have a whole lot of schools we might have to split those again in smaller units but that we can decide when we are so far and again it is getting to long.

Thanks for the communication here and I am awaiting your feedback to that idea and could start right the way splitting up the content without actually Losing the content and that means also all the work and effort already done in all.

Kind regards Apapococ (talk) 06:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry addition to what I just wrote.

I think splitting up the content is the best solution actually, because I just realized that the references of each map entry get listed again and again and that is not what is useful but on the other site the reference is necessary because the content data is coming from another website that needs to be referred to like the image maps we are in process to produce as they have to also be contributed to OpenStreetMap later.

Different from what I wrote before, I would therefore recommend moving also the Tables ONLY to the other Provincial sites and having only the "Montessori SPREAD" all over Thailand big Thailand image on the Montessori Thailand website and below that big image I would place then the list of provinces that then would link to each single province with their own Map image, and Table and of course the history and other text parts I described before. This approach would eliminate the doubled or even more multiplied references, with always the same reference. Unfortunately, it is not possible on Wikipedia to gather all those references and without those the data itself could not be used. This approach would help me as an editor also a lot as you don't have to scroll to the whole page sources to find things when something needs to get changed or edited.

I hope you are OK with that Apapococ (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)