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Hello, BracketBot. Disculpa por contestarte en español, pero mi inglés es muy básico, y escribo con numerosas faltas de ortografía, las que a nivel de un artículo logro depurar en parte gracias a que le invierto gran número de horas, buscando en los diccionarios, rastreando, preguntando en el "Taller de idiomas" que existe en la Wikipedia en español y que estoy muy acostumbrado a consultar.

Te pido que tengas tolerancia, y sobre todo porque mi idioma materno no es el inglés, e incluso el inglés ni siquiera es mi segunda lengua ya que mi nivel en francés es notoriamente muy superior.

Además, mis intervenciones en artículos de Wikipedia en inglés han sido hasta la fecha muy menores, y éste artículo es el primero en inglés que me animo a crear. Así que es razonable que cometa cierto número de errores, en cuando a wikificación en inglés por ejemplo.

Por otra parte, traté de poner al principio de este artículo el equivalente en inglés de la plantilla "enobras", y en verdad no logré encontrarla aún.

En lo básico, este artículo en inglés lo generé por traducción del español al inglés del artículo de igual título que ya está publicado en la Wikipedia en español. Y en español hay dos plantillas para señalar esta circunstancia a los lectores, una para insertar como comentario o advertencia en la página de discusión del artículo, y otra para insertar al final del propio cuerpo o texto del artículo. Como aún no descubrí la sintaxis de estas dos plantillas en inglés, que casi con seguridad también existen, es que aún no he señalado esta circunstancia como sería de desear.

Insisto, necesito un poco más de tiempo, y por cierto, las omisiones o errores más notorios que tú o que otros wikipedistan tengan la gentileza de señalarme, por cierto serán muy bienvenidas. NECESITO ESTE TIPO DE AYUDA.

Gracias anticipadamente por tu comprensión y apoyo.

--AnselmiJuan (discusión-comentarios) 16:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Gracias por advertirme del error. En la página en español de Eduardo Cuitiño, puse bien Sidney, pero claro, al traducirla al inglés debí haber puesto Sydney y no lo hice. Ahora este error está subsanado. --AnselmiJuan (discusión-comentarios) 21:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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List of Ministries of Uruguay

Hi AnselmiJuan. Greetings from a fellow Uruguayan. I appreciate your starting the article List of Ministries of Uruguay. But please consider that there is already an existing similar article, Cabinet of Uruguay. Please, consider the fusion of both of them. Thanks, --Fadesga (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Hola usuario Fadesga :

Ante todo, me disculpo por contestar en español, pero mi nivel de inglés es bajo, y no puedo expresarme con fluidez en explicaciones o en textos largos. Tal vez con un traductor automático usted pueda entender parte de lo que aquí expreso.

En realidad ya había notado que existía el artículo en inglés Cabinet of Uruguay, y que en alguna medida ese contenido se aproximaba al que yo estoy tratando de definir, tanto en español como en inglés.

Usted verá, pareciera ser que desde el punto de vista semántico, hay diferencias notorias entre ciertos conceptos en español y en inglés.

Por cierto, en inglés también hay posibiliades de expresar pequeñas diferencias conceptuales.

Observe estas definiciones :

• Ministry (collective executive), the complete body of government ministers under the leadership of a prime minister or president (según se trata de Gobierno Parlamentarista o Gobierno Presidencialista)
• Ministry (government department), a department of a government

Ministry (collective executive), es pues casi un sinónimo de Cabinet (government), que en español equivale a "Consejo de Ministros".

De la Wikidata Q640506 saco las siguientes definiciones :

Español - consejo de ministros - conjunto de ministros que conforman el poder ejecutivo de un Estado

Inglés - Cabinet (government) - group of high ranking officials, usually representing the executive branch of government

Francés - Cabinet (gouvernement) - organe de décision composé des membres principaux d'un gouvernement

Pero de la Wikidata Q192350 extraigo o tengo las siguientes definiciones

Español - Ministerio - entidad encabezada por el ministro respectivo, y los servicios e instalaciones que de él dependen

Inglés - Ministry (government department), a department of a government - specialized organization responsible for a sector of government public administration

Francés - Ministère (gouvernement) - entité formée par le ministre concerné et ses services

Para hacer algo equivalente al artículo en español titulado "Anexo:Ministerios de Uruguay" (para así poderlo poner en la misma Wikidata Q18123660), yo necesito hacer una lista de Ministerios (que he visto que en inglés se suele comenzar el título del respectivo artículo con "list of", mientras que en español se lo suele comenzar con "Anexo:").

Pero eso es diferente de lo que vendría a ser un "Consejo de Ministros" o un "Gabinete de Ministros" (en el caso de marras, el correspondiente a Uruguay), que es una entidad concreta y no una lista de algo, y no una lista de artículos, pues concretamente es : "a highest public authority in the government of a state", en nuestro caso, "a highest public authority in the government of Uruguay".

Cierto, son dos conceptos próximos, con contenidos que pueden estar emparentados o relacionados o parcialmente repetidos, pero conceptualmente son cosas diferentes, que merecen estar en Wikidatas Q diferentes.

No sé si para un anglófono que no entienda español, este razonamiento o justificación que he desarrollado, da para entenderla o no.

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OK, gracias por el aviso. Este detalle ya fue corregido. --AnselmiJuan (discusión-comentarios) 10:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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