Anmiol
January 2008 edit
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I am not trying to call Taiwan a country or a state, and never would I do such a thing. I am stating the fact that the Republic of China is a state. What is a state? A "state" refers to the set of governing institutions that has sovereignty over a definite territory. Under that definition, the Republic of China is a state. If you are a truly a dipolmat, you would understand and accept this point. By going forward with the edits you have attempted, you will be pushing a PRC POV, which is what the international community follows. The international community is basically not neutral when it comes to certain issues, especially the fact that the international community often sides with one side, in this case, the People's Republic of China. nat.utoronto 06:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- I never said that Taiwan is state, because it isn't, de facto or de jure. The Republic of China is a state, by all definitions. A state does not need the recognition of all other states to be a state. By adding "de facto" before the word "state" on the article, that would be not NPOV. Leaving as it is, in other word, maintaining the status quo, is NPOV as clearly it is a state, both de facto (in reality) and de jure (in law). What are the nominal criteria for sovereign statehood? (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. Clearly the Republic of China fits that criteria. It has a permanent population (23 million and growing), it has a defined territory (the island of Taiwan, and other surrounding islands), it has a government (the President, the 5 Yuans, etc.), it has capacity to enter into relations with the other states (official relations with 23 states, most notable is the Holy see). nat.utoronto 21:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)