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	Request for help to Keiichiro Toyama wikipedia, Thanks Rezatokyo (talk) 16:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. What kind of help would you like? Hula Hup (talk) 18:34, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

I think you might have a faulty definition of trivia, and I write that not to criticise you (as I've done far more than my fair share of mistakes, as you likely know), but out of concern. For example, this edit and this. Trivia is defined by the MOS as "miscellaneous information". I don't see how the ending of the subscenario is miscellaneous information, nor do I see how adding information about a voice actress who sang on a few songs is miscellaneous information (it was unsourced, but that seems like it could be found rather easily, say in the credits of Origins.) Kaguya-chan (talk) 01:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd have never perceived a comment from you as criticism, since you are a collaborator. When the Maria scenario ending was restored after my removal of it on January 25, I understood that it wasn't trivia and then simply paraphrased it, cutting the gun detail. I removed the soundtrack info partly because it was unsourced, but I've backed it up now; we could paraphrase the sentence and just say she sings in 4 songs, without further details, but, anyway, we can deal with it later. Apart from these 2 incidents, I hope you haven't spotted other examples showing I've misunderstood what trivia is; if so, please tell me so that I learn from mistakes. Hula Hup (talk) 16:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for being so understanding. Kaguya-chan (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

:). Hula Hup (talk) 16:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

This is unbelievable.

Why you and administrators continue to insist on thinking that I'm Fragments of Jade or whatever name that woman uses is still a mystery to me. You want to believe I'm female? Be my guest. You want to have me range blocked? Be my guest. You want to continue to believe that I'm Fragments of Jade/Yomiel or whatever username that woman uses? Be my guest. It won't change the fact that you're blocking the wrong person. You, the administrators and Fragments of JadeYomiel have made my life a living hell. I knew I should have stayed the hell away from you. Now I know how innocent people feel when they go to prison. Go ahead. Have me range blocked. Block an innocent person if it makes you sleep at night. Now I know I should stay away from Silent Hill pages since they are on your watch lists.Over and out. --68.45.60.20 (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

SH2

So I've been looking at the multiverse/alternative dimension issue, and I was wondering if you had a source that said specifically that it was a multiverse and had two alternative dimensions? As it's currently unsourced, and that's where it gets rather hazy, as James seems to have the bizarre ability to step into other people's alternate versions of the town, most notably, Angela's ("It's hot as hell in here." / "You see it too? For me, it's always like this."). Also, something I came across in the reviews was how reviewers seemed to consider SH more of a personal-hell sort of town after playing SH2. For example, "The more he understands, the less fearsome the town becomes, and it turns out that everything you've seen is a reflection of James' inner torment over killing his wife. Yes, it turns out you murdered her and have hid from that fact all along, creating the constant purgatory known as Silent Hill."

Also, I know how you feel about details, but I like to strongly suggest that brief bit about Mary's illness be put back in, as it is a crucial part of the plot. It explains how Laura and Mary met in a hospital, why Maria starts coughing in the "Maria" ending, etc. It is the reason why James killed her. To me, it is far from excessive detail.

Also, Twitter is okay as a source if and only if you can confirm that the person running the account is indeed Ito. Then it would go something like "According to Ito, Cybil..."(WP:Twitter) Kaguya-chan (talk) 03:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you are right about the illness, it's indeed important since it explains the "Maria" ending, feel free to restore it. I haven't seen the term "multiverse" in any source, I just used it in multiple articles because it accurately describes the series' setting; by "two dimensions", I mean the Otherworld and the foggy dimension. You mean that readers might be mislead and/or confused and think that other characters' versions of the Otherworld are separate dimensions and not a single one seen differently by each character? I'm afraid the link on Twitter you provided is an essay, not a policy. Hula Hup (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Something like that. I'm not entirely convinced of "foggy dimension" being an actual dimension. It's never explicitly said to be different from the town, in contrast to the Otherworld, which gets its own introduction ("This whole town... it's being invaded by the Otherworld. A world of someone's nightmarish delusions come to life. Little by little, the invasion is spreading. Trying to swallow up everything in darkness"). Again, if you've found something that says otherwise... Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:35, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

So after looking at Silent Hill: The Terror Engine (2012, university press book! How wonderful to have a scholarly book for SH at last! ), I've noticed that the author doesn't seems to distinguish between reality, "fog world" and Otherworld. Perron just discusses reality (with monsters in the fog) and the Otherworld: "With him [Harry], you come to question the reality of both the Otherworld and the real one. Given that there are monsters in the fog of Silent Hill, it is hard to trace a frontier between the known and unknown."(55) (You can verify this quote by checking the Google Books preview of Silent Hill: The Terror Engine.) So I think that since neither one of our opinions matter about the "fog world" (as harsh as that sounds), we should then see if "fog world" is supported by any sources.

1. Creators don't seem to recoginize "fog world". (Again, I have yet to find an interview, etc, where it is treated as a separate dimension. Correct me, if I'm wrong.)

2. Perron doesn't appear to, either (see quote above). From what I can tell, he only discusses reality and the Otherworld.

So, I think with that, (and especially with the SH Wikia page on Fog World writing that it is a fan-given name), the sources, for now, don't support "fog world". Kaguya-chan (talk) 18:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow, how did you find this? It's 100% suitable for inclusion, since it's academic work published by a major university, but it only contains its writer's opinion on the series' setting, nothing more; it doesn't say that this is official info by Konami (if you find any part saying it's official, please tell me). I guess you are right about the "fog world", the wikia is what influenced me and gave me this impression, there probably isn't any foggy dimension. We can't know if the "fog world" is in fact reality, just cloaked in fog, or a seperate dimension. Lost Memories doesn't shed any light unfortunately... Twice... We should write something neutral about the fog in the series' article and the games' articles. Any proposals? Hula Hup (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a very nice preview of it on Google Books. As for something neutral, what's wrong with writing that SH is a foggy resort town, and sometimes the characters see and fight monsters there? Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Main series and spin-offs

Hello, I added references that verify Book of Memories to be a spin-off. And my general search through the interwebs leads me to believe there are two distinct series - canonical (main) and spin-off. However, it'd be great if you took a look and suggested changes, because "installments" sounds rather vague.

P.S. I also made changes to the template and included the wikia link in the revision history. You might wanna take a look at that as well. Thanks. --CoolingGibbon (talk) 01:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The source is unfortunately unreliable according to WikiProject Video games' guideline on sources. "Installments" is a term widely used in Wikipedia to refer to games of a series and is also more formal (a formal tone should always be used), compared to "Games". Hula Hup (talk) 14:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you mentioned "there are no references added, this is just a re-introduction of the previous version" when you undid my re-edit in the Silent Hill article. In case you might have missed them, I did add two references from rather reliable sources that refer to it as a spin-off. I'll list them again here instead of undoing your edit again. Please take a look at them and let me know what you think. Thanks.

1. http://www.gamefreaks.co.nz/2012/03/26/konami-delays-silent-hill-book-memories/

2. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/19/silent-hill-book-of-memories-is-really-about-a-book-of-memories/ --CoolingGibbon (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, the sources were there, I just didn't see them. My sincerest apologies. Gamefreaks isn't included in the source list, not even as an unreliable source, which means that it cannot be trusted at all; Joystiq is a situational source, and the guideline says: "use of this site and its affiliates should be carefully considered. Often, it is best to demonstrate the reliability of the individual authors sourced." If you find an entirely reliable source that explicitly says that BoM is a spin-off, then you are more than welcome to alter things here. I hope I helped. Hula Hup (talk) 17:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I see, thanks. I'll get back to you if I find something reliable. --CoolingGibbon (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay here's one I found; GamesRadar refers to it as a spin-off as well, and it's reliable as per the guidelines. What do you think? http://www.gamesradar.com/silent-hill-book-of-memories-premise-explained-in-new-gamescom-trailer/

GamesRadar is OK, you can proceed with the change. Hula Hup (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll go ahead and make a separate section for spin-offs like I did previously then. Thanks. --CoolingGibbon (talk) 10:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors

Hi again! I know it's difficult to source voice actors for the SH series, since Konami doesn't list them for some reason in the credits. However, I've found that voice actors tend to list the roles that they've played on their official web sites, so perhaps that will help. Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea if they are reliable, we should check the guidelines. Hula Hup (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 01:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The complication is before The Beatles became famous, there were two other members. The band was active from 1960 to 1970. The original bassist was Stuart Sutcliffe who left the group in 1961 and died in 1962. Paul, who had played rhythm guitar with John, switched to playing bass after Stu left. Original drummer Pete Best was sacked in 1962 in favor of Ringo. The reason to separate John, Paul, George and Ringo from pre-fame members Stu and Pete is so the Fab Four could NEVER be mistakenly called the never existing Fab Six. The long standing consensus is to list John, Paul, George and Ringo as "members" and Stu and Pete as "past members" so the confusion could never happen. Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I see. I'm afraid this doesn't change my opinion, as "past members" is entirely misleading. Hula Hup (talk) 12:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The complication is that no one wants to see Stu and Pete on an equal footing with John, Paul, George and Ringo. That's why the consensus was agreed upon a long time ago. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The fact that they were members for only a short time does not make them unequal to the longtime members. Anyways, my opinion is known, so good luck with the poll. Hula Hup (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

They were members who left BEFORE The Beatles became famous. Hence the rub. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Silent Hill...oh dear

Would you mind having a word with this gentleman?

If you need context, look up the BNF Fungo/TwinPerfect. I was wondering when we'd start seeing this sort of thing here - apparently it's already caused a stink of the Silent Hill Wikia. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 20:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Added a warning on their talk page. Hula Hup (talk) 14:50, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

"Game guide"

I do not see anything in the Black 2/White 2 section that qualifies as "game guide" content. It is an announcement of the new games, information regarding its plot and setting, and the new characters within it. Please do not use inappropriate content templates (regardless of the fact there's no analogue for an article's section).—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

According to WP:GAMEGUIDE, "detailed coverage of specific point values, achievements, time-limits, levels, types of enemies, character moves, character weight classes, and so on" is inappropriate; a general phrase like "the games will be featuring various elements not contained in Black and White, including new Pokémon, characters, and locations" would be concise, without listings of the specific Pokémon, characters, and locations, which are trivial details not enhancing readers' understanding of the section. I hope I helped. Hula Hup (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

No point values, achievements, time-limits, levels, types of enemies, character moves, character weight classes, or so on are being mentioned (unless you count the names of new characters and the small number of Pokémon listed to be "types of enemies"). Everything is reliably sourced to what has been released in the news. So I do not think you are in any way correct in your assumptions.—Ryulong (竜龙) 08:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The guideline says "and so on", which could probably include creature, character, and location listings; also, locations could be perceived as "levels" and Gym Leaders as a type of enemy. Anyway, the problem is in the trivial nature of this information. It is sourced, but I'm very afraid that it is unencyclopedic content suitable for a wiki or a similar fansite. Hula Hup (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

We are discussing the pre-release information from the game, which is going to of course mention new characters, new locations, and the like. I see nothing wrong with this, and no one has before.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

This information should be generalised, without mentions of specific elements potentially perceived as game guide content; I'm very afraid that I should also repeat that except being game guide content, this information is also unencyclopedic and suitable for different types of sites, not for an encyclopedia. The fact that none had a problem with this has little to do with following the guidelines. Hula Hup (talk) 21:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Mentioning new characters, new locations, and new anything is common for an RPG, particularly when everything is still in the promotional stage. Come June 23, the information will find its place in the character lists and other articles that are better. I do not know why you are still focusing on this per your message on my talk page, considering we stopped conversing a month ago.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Transferring this info to the character lists is a wise choice, which I believe will settle this, so we'll wait until the games' release if you like; the fact that something is common, whether it be an opinion or a tactic, does not make it correct. I was waiting for a response all this time, I guess I should have posted a talkback earlier. Thank you for your time. Hula Hup (talk) 20:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Silent Hill

I spotted 'Silent Hill' in category Japanese Horror Films and followed it to Silent Hill. After reading it, I was going to remove the Japanese Horror Films link from the page until I checked imdb.com. Turns out that Silent Hill is a joint production between US, Canada, France and Japan. Hence, my inclusion. 0zero9nine (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

The IMdB is an unreliable source per the guidelines of Wikipedia, as its content is added by its users, without any editorial check. If the claim is not supported by a reliable source, it constitutes original research, which is prohibited. Hula Hup (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I do always check before adding anything to a Wikipedia page, thank you very much. Imdb.com isn't the only source I checked. It was the beginning of my investigation.

FYI, Silent Hill producers are Samuel Hadida, Victor Hadida and Nicolas Boukhrief of Davis Films (France), Akira Yamaoka of Konami Corporation (Japan), and Don Carmody and Andrew Mason of Silent Hill DCP Inc. (Canada). I don't know how was the US involved as I can't find any source to explain this. I assume it may be co-funded by TriStar Pictures and Screen Gems, Inc. (a division of Sony Pictures, Silent Hill's US distributor).

Anyroad, if we want to be pedantic, Silent Hill is a French-Canadian production, e.g. http://www.silenthillmemories.net/shm/credits_en.htm, which was copied from the film credits (I've just compared the film credits of my DVD with this page and they're exactly the same). This is a fan site, though, so I'm not sure how can we cite this as a source? Apple iTunes lists Davis Films and Silent Hill DCP Inc. as copyright owners of Silent Hill: http://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/silent-hill/id284573864, which asserts it as a French-Canadian production.

All that said, I'll leave it up to you to decide how to classify the film in terms of country. Good luck. 0zero9nine (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I just watched the film's credits, it is indeed a Canadian-French co-production; I was doubtful because no source was provided. I have added France in the infobox. Thank you for your time. Hula Hup (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

And in return, thank you. It's helped me to decide whether to leave Silent Hill under category: Japanese Horror Films or not. Since it's only "in association" with Konami, I'll remove it tomorrow. Many thanks. 0zero9nine (talk) 01:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Shattered Memories

Actually, I'll be unable to work on the article for quite a while. But, if you'd like to nominate it for GAN when it's finished, please don't hesitate. :) It doesn't belong to anyone. :) Kaguya-chan (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

The Full Circle ending.

Could you please tell Greg that Murphy doesn't return to a normal prison in the Full Circle ending? He's sent back to the otherworld Overlook Penitentiary for killing Anne. Here's proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S4AvoYUL74

Murphy even hears the voices of Howard, Bobby, and JP and realizes he too is now stuck in an endless loop. You've played the game. You know I'm telling the truth. Greg continues to remove the information for no reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.146.154.188 (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Emerald image

I love the pick and chose of the rule there as if you continue to read it WP:VGBOX states:

Cover images can only be used in the body of the article if there is significant commentary on the specific cover itself.

And it follows that rule so I reverted your edit. Swifty*^talk 02:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Same with Pokémon Crystal. Swifty*^talk 02:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

This very sentence is the reason why I removed the images, as there is no commentary at all on these covers. Please do not be insulting, there is no need for this. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I am not insulted but there is commentary in both images. I was just pointing out the sentence because if you look at the picture for Crystal it says under it:

North American box art for Pokémon Crystal, depicting the legendary Pokémon Suicune.

LOL! Swifty*^talk 22:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The text below images is a caption. By "commentary", we mean the opinions of video game reviewers or other third-party people. There is only a plain description of the cover art, which does not depict an element hard to understand without seeing it, for example a watermark (like Ōkami's cover, which is mentioned in WP:VGBOX) or a complex design or something with important symbolical value hard to explain through words only, it just depicts the version's mascot soaring. There is not any significant commentary as the aforementioned guideline requests. Also, copyrighted images should be used as sparingly as possible, because Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. By "commentary", we could also mean the opinions of video game reviewers or other third-party people. My previous comment says "insulting", not "insulted"; I cannot see any reason for you to be insulted, as I believe I have been fairly polite, and cannot understand the laughter in your latest comment, I do not think there is something funny or ridiculous in the discussion. After the explanation of the difference between the two, After this explanation, I guess this has been settled, so I am going to remove the images again. I will not remove them a second time if they are restored. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 16:26, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Horror games

Hey there. I have quite a few horror video games on my watchlist. That particular user that you corrected has been changing "survival horror" term into "psychological horror" in dozens of game pages, not just the Siren series. See also Category:Psychological horror games. I don't have an opinion of which term is the best choice, I just think that consistency on the subject should be addressed. Either we list all these games as survival horror, or psychological horror, cause right now they're split. Punkalyptic (talk) 14:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

The infobox and the lead's first sentence should describe the game's video game genre. Any genres of literature which have influenced the game can be mentioned below in the lead and the main body of the article, but not in the lead's first sentence. I've notified this editor on their talk page. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 16:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, yeah, I noticed he has also been removing the "Horror video games" category, where "Psychological Horror games" applied. I suppose there is a point to it. I mean, a game shouldn't belong to two categories when one is a subcategory to the other, in the same ways that - let's say Resident Evil video game belongs to the "Resident Evil games" category, and not in "Capcom games" category, as the former is a subcategory to the latter. Punkalyptic (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't have much experience with categories, so I don't know if only sub-categories should be included, without the biggest ones included too. If you can locate a guideline saying so, please. Hula Hup (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Categorizing pages (general rule). Hmmph... I guess we're gonna have to remove all the Silent Hill games from the main horror games category now. :/ Punkalyptic (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for finding it. You are welcome to remove them from the main category. Hula Hup (talk) 19:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

= Yomiel! = I reverted your edit because it didn't follow the rules. Cybil and James are only speculated to have disappeared. After four years on Wikipedia, you should have known that speculation is prohibited. I repeat that I am not against you returning to Wikipedia as long as you follow the rules and behave civily.--50.23.125.26 (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper straw poll

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

What exactly is the debate? Hula Hup (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

Hi, Hula Hup, I'm beginning the copy-edit you requested for the above article at the GOCE request page. Please feel free to contact me, or to correct or revert my edits if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick note: In the 'Plot' section I removed the references with quotations in them because they served no purpose and cluttered the section and the 'References' section. Plot sections don't normally require refs as the game is the primary source, per WP:FILMPLOT. I'm not yet sure what I'll do with the remaining few. I've moved all but two refs out of that section - don't worry they're still in the article (except those referencing the game itself). Anyway I'm done - feel free to contact me about any issues arising from the copy-edit. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:40, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for refreshing the article. I know that WikiProject Film doesn't require citations in the "Plot" section, but WikiProject Video games does, so it's maybe better to restore those refs. 2 tips for consistency with other Silent Hill articles: Harry Mason is always referred to by his first name and the serial comma is extensively used in listings of 3 items ("X, Y, and O"). Thank you again. Hula Hup (talk) 21:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, I've noticed that the direct speech problem addressed on the game's talk page still remains. Is there anything that could be done to get rid of all those quotations and replace with indirect speech? I cannot locate any other major issues except this, so when this has been taken care of, I'll submit for GAR. Hula Hup (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your feedback. I'm sorry for removing the 'Plot' references; I tried to find a game-specific policy for plot sections but couldn't and I falsely assumed that the film policy would be consistent across WP. So I'll replace those in-game references a little later. Serial commas and 'Harry' should be easy to fix. Sometimes I think it's best to leave direct quotations in the article, especially when the comments are easy to misinterpret. Normally I convert quotations shorter than a sentence clause to indirect speech and simplistic ones. I'm sure I can convert some of them. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

If you could fix these problems I would be grateful. I've just elaborated on one more little problem on the article's talk page, which is no big deal, fortunately. Hula Hup (talk) 17:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Plot refs done, Mason --> Harry in Plot done, a few serial commas added, and some removal or direct quotations. Does your project prefer US or British English per WP:ENGVAR? I chose British as I encountered 'behaviour' during c/e and converted some US spellings accordingly, and just fixed 'favorably' vars. x3. Also that article has 'mobile phone' whereas US mostly uses 'cellphone'. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

All the SH articles use US spelling, I've reverted the UK spelling. Thanks one more time. Hula Hup (talk) 13:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again - I just converted BrEng spellings to US; I note this was already done but was reverted by 86.145.249.139 in a series of edits | here; which by the IP's talk you're already aware of. I think the use of US English is appropriate considering a) the narrative setting. b) Japan has close cultural ties with the US and tends to use US spellings | reference. But I'm not getting involved in an edit war with an IP over it. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello, 86.145.etc here. As far as I am aware, there's no particular reason to swap to US English, apart from one editor's internal sense of tidiness. The rule (perhaps only a rule of thumb, but nevertheless the way it has been done according to wikiproject videogames for years) is that the variety of English is based upon the country in which the developer resides. Review innumberable discussions on the WPVG talk page (now archived), unless this has changed very recently. It may not be perfect, but it does result in consistency, as opposed to individual editors making arbitrary decisions. If you want to get a firm rule in place over at WPVG that would be great, and I'll gladly abide by it. 193.62.29.201 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

If you want to change it back to UK Eng, go ahead - I'm done with this article now and I'm not watching it. It will be useful to know if there's a consistent style across multiple articles if or when I copy-edit further Silent Hill articles. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

To the anonymous editor: I've said on your talk page that the reasons are not only consistency with other SH articles, but the setting as well. There is no WPVG guideline mentioning that a video game article's English should be the one used in the developer's country. To be honest, I'm not aware of the "rule of thumb" you mentioned and its extensive usage, but as it is not an official guideline, it would just be a widely followed tactic; because a trend is popular, it doesn't necessarily mean that it follows the guidelines. The decision was not arbitrary because it was based on this guideline, which states that "an article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation." Apart from the US setting, there is the point that the publisher's country primarily uses US English, as the fellow editor said above. There is no particular WPVG guideline on the variety used in video game articles, there's only the general one just linked which concerns all articles regardless of their content. Anyways, there is consensus in favour of US English, as there is also a third editor who supports it.

English isn't my first language, so I may be mistaken, but I can't locate where the guideline you linked on your talk page says the reverse, I read that it permits all (numericals, symbols, and words), and since the article used only words and not numericals and symbols, I see no plausible reason to change this (forgive me if I misunderstood what the link says). You are welcome to continue helping in making the article better, certain of your changes were really nice. Help always needed in tiring tasks like preparing for GAN or other nominations. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Third opinion

Would you mind giving your input on the Dota 2 talk page? Unflavoured doesn't seem to be taking a hint from what I'm saying. DarthBotto _talk•cont 00:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Laura's status aside from the "Leave" ending

"Undid revision 556751958 by 112.203.33.239; speculation" - I still know that Laura is still alive, she is so innocent that Silent Hill was never in danger to her. According to the Silent Hill Wiki: Laura does not appear in the game's other three endings, so it is not revealed to what happens to her. However, since the town was never dangerous to her, it is assumed that she leaves Silent Hill unharmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.203.33.239 (talk) 04:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Then you need to provide a reliable source to the information per WP:RELIABLE and WP:VERIFY. - Amaury (talk) 04:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

According to WP:SPECULATION, speculation is prohibited in Wikipedia. Wikis are unreliable sources since they have user-contributed content and, thus, speculation and probably personal opinion. Hula Hup (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Silent Hill film references

Hi Hula Hup, I noticed you're kind of the one person who really keeps the Silent Hill (film) page together. On the French Metropolitan Blu-Ray version of the film, Gans makes a few statements about what Dark Alessa is (he outright debunks the devil theory, and states that Sharon and Alessa/Dark Alessa fuse together). I wanted to add that both to the Alessa Gillespie and the Silent Hill (film) pages, but I'm not very good with creating sources in the first place, and even worse with the new layout (I've been gone for over a year, so everything's different to me now). I wrote the source as "Gans, Christophe (2009) French Metropolitan Blu-Ray Commentary", but I'm not sure if that's right. I know that particular blu-ray came out in 2009, so I added that. Someone suggested I look at how it was done on the American Beauty page, but I found that to be confusing as well. Any help with writing the reference is much appreciated. AlessaGillespie (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Greek help needed

Hello Hula Hup, I'm contacting you because we need some Greek translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on el.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Greek Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help you with the message, but VisualEditor-related translation would require a great amount of time as there are lots of very technical terms which I need the help of a dictionary to translate correctly in Greek. May I ask out of curiosity if you chose me randomly? Thank you very much for trusting me, anyway. Hula Hup (talk) 19:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Hula. I chose you because you are a native Greek speaker, and are an active editor here on English. The combination makes you a good translator candidate! I understand if some of the help documents are very technical, and hard to translate. If you have time, here is the message I would like translated:

"Hello Greek Wikipedia editors from the Wikimedia Foundation. As some of you already know, the new VisualEditor (VE) is coming soon to all Wikipedias. The current date for Greek Wikipedia to have this feature enabled is mid-August. The new editor will be offered alongside the old editing interface.

If you would like to try out the new editor before then, go to "Preferences", "Edit Page" and "Enable VisualEditor" at the bottom. Save your changes, and VE should be available. We are looking for problems and ideas for improvement. Please leave your feedback at my talk page [LINK] or at MediaWiki here. We also need volunteers for translating VE documents, to help with this, go here. Thank you, (polite Greek goodbye?)"

Thanks for helping! (Ignore the links) PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

"Γεια σας, συντάκτες της ελληνικής Βικιπαίδειας, από το Wikimedia Foundation. Όπως μερικοί από εσάς ήδη γνωρίζετε, το νέο VisualEditor (VE) έρχεται σύντομα σε όλες τις Βικιπαίδειες. Η τρέχουσα ημερομηνία ενεργοποίησης αυτού του εργαλείου στην ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια είναι τα μέσα Αυγούστου. Αυτός ο νέος συντάκτης θα προσφερθεί μαζί με τον παλαιό τρόπο σύνταξης.

Αν θα θέλατε να δοκιμάσετε τον νέο συντάκτη πριν, τότε πηγαίνετε στις "Προτιμήσεις", "Επεξεργασία σελίδας" και "Ενεργοποίηση VisualEditor" στο κάτω μέρος της σελίδας. Αποθηκεύστε τις αλλαγές σας και ο VE θα είναι διαθέσιμος. Ψάχνουμε για προβλήματα και ιδέες για βελτίωση. Παρακαλώ αφήστε την κριτική σας στη συζήτηση χρήστη μου [] ή στο MediaWiki, [εδώ]. Επίσης, χρειαζόμαστε εθελοντές για τη μετάφραση εγγράφων του VE, για βοήθεια πάνω σε αυτό, πηγαίνετε [εδώ]. Σας ευχαριστώ, χαίρετε."

So, some instances of inaccurate translation cannot be translated very exactly or would sound weird (although making sense) in Greek, so please keep these in mind while reading; I've also added or moved punctuation which I assumed had slipped your attention, but if your intended meaning changes with these alterations then let me know so that I can fix it. Also, on the Greek Wikipedia, there is no translation of the term "VisualEditor", as far as I know. The literal translation of the message:

"Hello, Greek Wikipedia editors, from the Wikimedia Foundation. As some of you already know, the new VisualEditor (VE) is coming soon to all Wikipedias. The current activation date of this tool on the Greek Wikipedia is mid-August. This new editor will be offered together with the old editing way.

If you would like to try out the new editor from before, then go to "Preferences", "Edit Page" and "VisualEditor activation" at the low part of the page. Save your changes and VE should be available. We are looking for problems and ideas for improvement. Please leave your critique at my talk page [] or at MediaWiki, [here]. Also, we need volunteers for the translation of VE documents, for help on this, go [here]. Thank you, farewell." Hula Hup (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Attention to detail - excellent! I have posted the message to the "Agora" on el.wiki (Google Translate calls it the "Buy"!)[1]. Is this the best place, in your opinion? Hopefully we can get some el.wiki users to do a trial of the new software, and let us know of any Greek-specific issues. And maybe recruit more translators for the documents. Again, thanks very much (σας ευχαριστώ is thank you, correct?)! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

My cheeks are red... :) Well, "agora" literally means "forum," but since antiquity it has underwent corruption and now means "buy"... Whatever, I don't know if it's the best place, but looks appropriate. Yes, very nice Greek from you, although formal. Happy to help and if you need aid again you can give me a ring. Hula Hup (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Dota 2 Peer Review

Hey Hula Hup, Since you have been good for constructing the Dota 2 article, I figured it would be a good incentive to give you a heads-up and let you know that I'm opening a new peer review, in order to fix things up and make sure it's ready for its Featured Article candidacy. If you would like to critique, I would be most appreciative! DarthBotto _talk•cont 21:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

With pleasure. Hula Hup (talk) 14:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Sony Pictures Entertainment

Read the list of franchises of Sony Pictures owns in the article and then read this source. It's very senseless when you have "Sony Pictures Entertainment owns film studios which have distributed various commercially successful film series, including the James Bond series (partially), Spider-Man, Men in Black, Resident Evil, The Smurfs, Underworld and The Grudge." as four of them are already mentioned in the list of franchises. 99.46.226.13 (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but I have elaborated on the reasons (identification of the article's subject and demonstration of its notability, with the latter specifically required by Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section) why a company's successful (either commercially or critically) products should be mentioned in the lead section of that company's article. Concerning the distributions of the series owned by Sony Pictures, there are two different studios handling them, Columbia Pictures and Screen Gems (the other studios do not distribute any series at all). The cited source says what most sources say: that the parent company distributes films, without clarifying the exact studio. This is a very common tactic in sources and happens with other parent companies of studios as well, such as Fox Entertainment Group; it is just a generalisation, as the parent companies own the film rights, while the studios usually distribute the films. The case of Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is different, though, because here the parent company distributes, but it is an exception. In the case of Sony Pictures, the studios distribute. The wording could be changed to reach a compromise, maybe something like "Sony Pictures owns the film rights to various commercially successful film series, including..., which are distributed by its Columbia Pictures and Screen Gems studios." This is more precise and less confusing to readers, I believe. If you wish for any kind of help please notify me. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 08:18, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

If you wanted an opening like that, then common sense should tell you to move the results that was posted months ago about Sony's box office results in the lead intro. Doesn't that make sense? And what do you mean the other studios do no distribute any series at all? You might want to look into TriStar's series. 99.46.226.13 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Above all, provide a reliable source in that lead. 99.46.226.13 (talk) 00:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid that the topic of discussion is the inclusion of the successful series in the lead, I cannot understand the relation of your suggestion about me having to also include the revenue in the lead; editing Wikipedia is not compulsory, editors are not obliged to make an article perfect, they edit whenever and if they want and can. Anyways, it had just slipped my attention, it is not that I had noticed it but did not want it mentioned in the lead. It is a very good idea, because the revenue is the indicator of the company's total commercial success. On the TriStar issue, I did not locate any mention of film series distributed by it in the studio's article.

About the Columbia-Screen Gems series now, when a bit of information is sure to be corresponding to reality (which is in this case, as these series' commercial success can be verified with Box Office Mojo citations in their respective articles), but is currently unsourced, it is preferable to tag it with the "citation needed" template, instead of removing it completely, as this both saves valuable time and effort (which is especially important for editors like me who sometimes have limited time to edit) and promotes a spirit of cooperation between users. I would be glad to discuss further suggestions for improvements. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

When you added that info, it didn't have a reference added. When users add anything unreferenced, it is likely to get removed quickly. 99.46.226.13 (talk) 22:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:UNSOURCED, "Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that there may not be a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable. If you think the material is verifiable, try to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it." Although I had not objected that I was not give time to provide references, I think that the following steps should have been followed in order to not hinder the process of improving the article. Upon the second reversion, redundancy was cited as the reason, while lack of source was not cited with the first reversion as required by the above guideline. I do not think I should have been forced to resort to citing this guideline, as some things can be realised just with common sense; as participants of a hard collaborative project, Wikipedia editors are in dire need of cooperation and understanding to achieve the common goal which is bettering the article. Unfortunately, the failure to bother provide insightful edit summaries with certain of these reversions and the recent involvement in another edit war, apart from the one for this lead, reveals a repeated pattern, which is quite saddening.

I am waiting for an answer to the question about your suggestion's relation to the topic, because that suggestion confused me, to be honest. I really hope in solution of the issue. Hula Hup (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Hula Hup, I reckon you might very well be a perfect candidate to edit some articles on el.wikipedia. Is there a way to contact you privately, by email perchance, or other means, to disclose further information?

Respectfully, Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.185.100 (talk) 03:48, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you very much for your kind words. Although I would like to help you, I am very afraid that I cannot provide an e-mail or similar information to a person I do not personally know for security reasons. Is the possibility of providing the information you would like me to be aware of on my talk page completely out of the question? Thank you for your time. Hula Hup (talk) 09:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Hulla Hup,

Your concern is very reasonable and should have been foreseen. Regretably, the information I may divulge at present is limited as the goals of our projects go beyond wikipedia. If email and skype are out of the question, perhaps some other means that do not require the compromising of personal information may be suitable for us in the beginning, when I tell you what we mean to do and win your trust? As crude as it may be, a chat platform could serve us well for now, unless you can suggest something more fitting to the nature of our possible relationship. What do you think might be best for you?

Thank you for your time as well, Charles

I see. I am afraid that I do not know any chatroom suitable for this situation. If you are aware of one, please inform me. Thank you again for your trust. Hula Hup (talk) 08:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Googling "chat" gave this result -- http://chat.chatrooms.org.in/ When would it be convenient for you to meet up? Looking forward to it, Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.204.128 (talk) 06:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Today I will be able to, if you would like. I do not know the time zone in Israel, though. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 10:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

It's just occurred to me how problematic it is to set up a meeting this way. I should think the time zones are the same. I've just signed up and should be available in the next 30 minutes. Hopefully you're currently online and seeing this. If not, well, then I'm a bit at a loss. Yours, Charles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.204.128 (talk) 13:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I cannot stay any longer. I suppose we weren't in luck today. What time would be possible for you tomorrow morning? Just name the hour and I'll be there. If you're too busy to make yourself available, it's perfectly understandable, and I'll still be appreciative for your time and effort. Take care for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.204.128 (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Today I'll be online until late in the night. Tomorrow I'll be online in the afternoon and after. Hula Hup (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Just say which hour and I'll be there :) night/morning is good, even midday, sadly after 14:00 I'm not reachable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.204.128 (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Would 10 a.m. tomorrow be alright? I'll use the exact same nickname as in Wikipedia. Hula Hup (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

10 a.m. would be agreeable, thank you. Charles 192.114.185.100 (talk) 23:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey. I'm currently there. Same name as here as well. 79.176.204.128 (talk) 08:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your invitation, but I am afraid I would not like to for security reasons. Hula Hup (talk) 04:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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I'm very late to replying to messages, but I was basically wondering if you had uncovered any neat SH information. I've been a bit out of the loop, and some really interesting stuff has surfaced since then (like SH3 was originally planned to be a rail shooter, which... is something, alright.) My next SH project will be to finish up Downpour, if that's something you're interested in. Hoping you're well. Best, Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I'm fine; I hope you are too. I understand what you said in your above message. I added sources on Talk:Silent Hill (video game). I'll check for sources for Downpour. Best, Anima Sola (talk) 08:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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