User talk:AngelFire3423/Archive 1

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NOCTURNENOIR ^{( t • c )} 18:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

February 2009

When adding links to material on an external site, as you did to Sh15uya, please ensure that the external site is not violating the creator's copyright. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website's operator has created or licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
If you believe the linked site is not violating copyright with respect to the material, then you should do one of the following:

• If the linked site is the copyright holder, leave a message explaining the details on the article Talk page;
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If the material is available on a different site that satisfies one of the above conditions, link to that site instead. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, please make sure that all episode summaries you are adding as ones you wrote yourself, and not ones copied from other sites. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Do make my reply here, on the talk page of Sh15uya, or on your talk page? AngelFire3423 (talk) 01:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is fine, to keep the conversation together. As a side note, anime voices should only be used where the anime is the primary work, and not used for series like Sh15uya which is not an anime series.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Could not mark my episode summaries as vandalism? AngelFire3423 (talk) 12:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I marked your linking to a copyright violation as vandalism, as it is against Wikipedia policy and a blockable offense if repeated. Please be more careful in the future. Also, please note that forum postings are not reliable sources and should not be used within articles at all. I've restored your episode list to the article, and made other corrections to it. You may want to look at WP:MOSTV to see how the article should be formatted and the appropriate content to help see why I did not restore your character section. Also WP:WAF and WP:PLOT are good to read when working on fictional series articles. Remember, the primary focus should be real world info, not plot. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah sorry linking to Animesuki, I won't do it again. Also sorry the character section, I got a little carried away. Sorry for taking up your time. AngelFire3423 (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

No problems...its part of learning how to edit here :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your edit on the OVA section in the article for Minori Chihara, I do appreciate your effort to format it, but I was hoping to revert it back to the way it was for a few reasons. One, Minori does not have a significant number of OVA roles to designate years in my opinion. Two, I would like to keep the character roles in parenthesis to avoid confusion with the series' names, as it would also be consistent with the rest of the sections. Please let me know if you have issue with this, as I would like to discuss any disagreements before reverting your edit. --Willsun (talk) 09:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

No i do not have any disagreements, although it would be nice to keep the dates.AngelFire3423 (talk) 17:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I would like to categorize the roles into chronological order as well if one day there is a significant amount of roles. For now, I will revert it back to alphabetical order for a short list. Thanks for the quick reply. --Willsun (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

Hey you! Don't dump album tracks onto the main article for a show! Show articles are meant to be short brief introductions to the content full of links! Make an article for the album and put the listings there! WngLdr34 (talk) 06:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are talking about. AngelFire3423 (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

this and related edits--WngLdr34 (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Omoi o Kandete

A tag has been placed on Omoi o Kandete, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing no content to the reader. Please note that external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article don't count as content. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Jd027^talk 01:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, as you did in The Good Witch of the West‎, makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Just a few quick notes: dates should not be linked in article text nor infoboxes per a change made several months ago to Wikipedia guidelines. Also, Anime News Network's encyclopedia section is no longer considered to be a reliable source, only their news articles and reviews. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

In what sense is the style I used different from what is normally used?AngelFire3423 (talk) 15:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

As I noted above, dates should not be linked, nor should commas be removed from them. Dates should be written as month d, yyyy within anime/manga articles. Also, not a MoS issue, but when linking to Amazon, make sure to clean up the extraneous parts of the link, particularly removing the referral code.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Interjection of Polish

Many warm salutations!!! I see that you have vigorously adopted Kyo_no_Gononi as your stewardship as of late. While I have no complaints or objections about your handiwork, I cannot help but to interject with my perspective on a few of the changes you have undertaken.

As you will realize if you see the »Kyou no Go no Ni« TV anime, twelve of its 13 episodes are divided into sections known as periods. My first interjection has to do with your decision to meld the clearly-delimited synopses for each period together into one general summary of that episode. While I see how an argument could be made in its favor, such a coalescence makes for rather turbulent reading and obfuscates the idea of each episode being divided into subsections that should each be acknowledged for its own individual plot and ambiance. If you have ever engaged in any culinary activities such as baking a cake, it is pretty easy to detect if an ingredient is missing or has been added in the wrong quantity when your handiwork is sampled. Looking over your handiwork, I am silently screaming my head off in frustration as I try to figure out which period you are referring to -- and this is AFTER I have already seen the series. In this particular case, the whole is definitely more confusing than the sum of its parts and I am of the sentiment that each period should be individually defined similar to what I originally did.

My second interjection has to do with the abolition of the Japanese plural suffix »-tachi«. I am well aware of its non-English origins and I have found that it meets my purposes perfectly because it saves me from repeatedly writing lists of names. Exempli gratia, if I am writing about Ryouta going to a carnival with Kouji and Tsubasa, it is much faster to write »Ryouta-tachi arrives at the carnival and spends a small fortune having fun« than it would be to write that with »Ryouta, Kouji, and Tsubasa« as the subject. The only downside is the obfuscation of who is in the group; I compensate for that by doing this: »Chika-tachi (Chika with Natsumi, Megumi, Yuki, and Kazumi in convoy)«. This highlights another advantage of using »-tachi«: I only have to define that grouping once. Going back to my previous example, Chika-tachi already being defined affords me the liberty of using it as much as I wish since it is clear that I am referring to the same group of people until I define it otherwise. This is in line with the necessity of »dialing out« whenever you explain or describe something to dispel the default Japanese assumption that you are referring to yourself by stating the subject. Does that dynamic not make sense since this is a Japanese anime series that we are dealing with here?

The bottom line is that the Japanese plural suffix »-tachi« makes things nice and neat whenever a group of people is described or referred to. I am sure that you meant well by revising that away; unfortunately, that cure is worse than the disease . . . in this case, there is no disease to cure. Lists of names can be very confusing in some cases. These sentences from the Episode 11 anime synopsis are a prime example: »Due to the inactive classroom heater, Yūki, Kazumi, Megumi, Natsumi, and Chika go to the health office where they begin measuring each other's corporeal dimensions.« and »Kazumi coming to school one day with her hair in pigtails prompts Yūki, Megumi, and Chika to stylize their own hair, initiating a style competition that lasts for over a week.«  There are so many commas there that it is difficult to discern if the commas are delimiting the list of names or are serving some other grammatical function.

That leads into my final interjection. The episode list screams out for proofreading . . . proofreading that can easily be taken care of. I can take care of that after my Saturday diurnal outing unless you want to take that on.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 04:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

In general I do not edit articles unless I have already seen the anime, OVA or read the manga, which for Kyou no Go no Ni, I have done all three, so I am well aware that each episode is seperated into periods. I agree that the episode list needs to proofread. However you ask that the summaries be seperated into their individual periods, however first of all, prose is always preferred over lists, and secondly no episode summary I have seen on Wikipedia seperates the summary in this manner. In fact, all the slice of life anime that I have seen episode summaries for, even though they may be told in a completely disjointed style as slice of life often is, they keep the summaries in one paragraph, expect for the List of Lucky Star episodes for the OVA (the anime's summaries are seperated into since they are actually two seperate storylines), however it is still start class. If it is confusing, which it probably is, then the prose was not written well enough. However, not many anime are presented in such in disjointed style that has names for each of its arcs the way that Kyou no Go no Ni is, so I would rather get another opinion on this. If you want to know exactly what period each sentence belongs to, that most likely is not all that important since the episode summary is meant to summarize the episode. However I can see value in trying to include that in the article, however I would like to hear another opinion. I'll ask in the Lucky Star discussion about it.

About you're objection to my removal of "-tachi" from the article. First of all, this is English Wikipedia so article should stay entirely in English unless the Japanese words have some sort of significance to the article, which in this case it does not in any way. Just because it is an article about Japanese animation does not justify the use of Japanese words for the reasons you are suggesting. It's like saying why don't we put honorifics on everyone's names because that they are especially important for character relations among other things, but none of the Featured Articles nor Good Articles do anything of the sort, not a single one. Also since it is for English speakers, they do not make any such assumptions that Japanese people do, which you stated as one of the arguements supporting the use of "-tachi". Even if it does meet the purposes of writing the summary more clearly, the article will be confusing to non-Japanese speakers, even if you do put the name of the characters in parenthesis, and will probably be tagged by other editors with the {{inuniverse}} tag. If lists of names are confusing, then it just needs to be rewritten. As a note, I do not see how the two examples you gave are confusing, though perhaps some of the commas are superfluous. If you want to include this, I say no.

As a last note, just remember that, plot summaries summarize the main points of the plot. Thanks for the feedback though. I haven't edited it recently because I was just a little tired of seeing the article. I probably will edit it soon, but you're free to do so yourself. AngelFire3423 (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

If you don't mind, could you explain why the two examples are confusing? AngelFire3423 (talk) 14:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Well I've proofread most of it, does it seem less confusing now? AngelFire3423 (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Well Juhachi says, "Prose should be used." He is a veteran editor. AngelFire3423 (talk) 14:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Is Allcinema.net a reliable source?

Hi! User:Collectonian posted the "verify credibility" tag on the stuff you sourced from allcinema.net. Are you sure allcinema.net is a reliable source. If so, why not start a discussion about it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to verify it ? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, well the thing is that I'm not really sure whether it is reliable or not. AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

That is what Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is for: Why not make a more lengthly post there? That way they'll sort it out. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, well I will whenever I get around to it, but knowing me, I usually procrastinate doing things I have never done before, even when it would be a good idea to do them. So I'll probably not do it for a while. AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

In that case I just went ahead and started it: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_allcinema.net_a_reliable_source.3F WhisperToMe (talk) 02:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I remember reading somewhere in the Anime Manga Wikiproject discussion that it would better to post such requests Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan because they have more people who can read Japanese. AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan#Is_allcinema.net_a_reliable_source.3F - They said it was reliable WhisperToMe (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks alot =) AngelFire3423 (talk) 19:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Anime and manga fandom

Hello! Your submission of Anime and manga fandom at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! CarpetCrawler^{message me} 23:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC) CarpetCrawler^{message me} 23:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I replied at the nomination page. AngelFire3423 (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Anime and manga fandom

On May 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anime and manga fandom, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Awadewit (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Maxi singles

I posted an answer to your question at the MUSTARD page, but you posted a week ago, so you might miss it, so here it is: Maxi single titles aren't usually regarded as equivalent to album titles, but are just the name of the first song. But if any single has an alternate title for the record, which is not a song title, it should be in italics. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 11:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Japanese

I saw 日本穣's talk page. As for a Japanese word 王道、"easy way" is the most common translation. But the word has another meaning which is not in dictionaries. It means "best of the best" or "quintessence" and Sakamoto meant this one. Oda Mari (talk) 15:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me ^^. AngelFire3423 (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:List of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle albums

Hi,

I will get a look at. There seems a lot of potential here more than the Aria soundtracks. I advise you to look at WP:DISCOG. Actually i'm using a cross over between WP:DISCOG & WP:ALBUM. WP:DISCOG because we have the chart ranking & WP:ALBUM for the usual information. Choosing WP:DISCOG as project instead of WP:ALBUM is more interresting as WP:DISCOG is more flexible Final Fantasy Waouhhh!!!. You already did an excellent job, we just need to make it cohesive and coherent --KrebMarkt 21:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the trouble. I've been wondering for a while but do you know whether I should use the romaji or the English translation as the main title for a track, or is better to just not include the English translations? AngelFire3423 (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Romanji as it is the most know around the web but you can also put the whole stuff using the nihonjo template. The most important is to make a motivated choice and stay coherent with it. The objective is not just to make something accessible for fans and anime/manga initiated but something accessible and enjoyable for any readers. Paste midnight here in France, i will write more tomorrow ;) --KrebMarkt 22:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Also another thing that has been bothering me, does Oricon keep any record of album sales anywhere? I can't find actual sale numbers other than on the top 50 (whatever the number is, can't remember) charts. AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hummm. If you can't find it then it should among the information that require paid subscription to access. Oricon sells those numbers as informations to the publishers so the can make all marketing & sales department mambo-jumbo. --KrebMarkt 20:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Dates

Hi, I noticed that you linked a date or two at List of Shinkyoku Sōkai Polyphonica episodes. This practice is now deprecated. Please see WP:LINKING and WP:MOSNUM. I'm happy to respond to any inquiries you may have about the matter. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of the policy, but it's more like I left them linked. Does the injunction regarding delinking apply to manual edits? AngelFire3423 (talk) 12:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

As long as you don't delink on a mass scale and your edits are part of larger improvements to the article, it is alright. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Mami Kawada

Hey there, thanks for fixing and correcting my mistakes in editing the Mami Kawada page. I really appreciate it. ^^ I'll just have to fix and put some references on the page and on its discography next time when I'm vacant. Your help was very significant. Thanks again. FreddyJR (talk) 16:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem ^^, it was a pretty quick fix, though I might have missed a few things, and I probably broke a few links by accident. I'll probably be editing it here and there. Also you might be interested to know that I started editing Joint into a proper article rather than the format that people are taking for anime and related single/albums. AngelFire3423 (talk) 16:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Sales trajectory

I found it in this link: http://myheartstation.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/20090413/ Since Paranoia, end of refrain, L'Oiseau Bleu, Kara no Tsubomi and snIpe sold 4,339 copies in the cd box, I think it's part of each single total sales... or no? D: —Preceding unsigned comment added by WPagani (talk • contribs) 11:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Good article reassessment of Shuffle!

Shuffle! has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.

The reviewer is asking for citations for the Plot section for Shuffle!. You seem to have played the game or at least have a fanbook. Do you mind helping put citations? Unfortunately I don't have my copy of the game anymore. You're help would be really appreciated, thanks. AngelFire3423 (talk) 11:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I used to own the game (and played it completely), but lost my copy of it in switching computers. So I don't think I really have anything to cite atm.--Remurmur (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

For your edits during Shuffle! GA Re-assessment...

		The Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award
		I hereby award you the Anime and Manga BarnSakura for your re-newed effort to preserve Shuffle! Good Article status! Great display of perseverance & strength of character, not getting discouraged when remarks, comments & suggestions kept coming. --KrebMarkt 20:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

^^ Thanks alot =) AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It is well deserved. I'm happy to have you with us. --KrebMarkt 20:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)