User talk:Andreasegde/Archive 27

Michael Jackson

Hi, you commented at a previous FA review of the Michael Jackson article. Currently the article is at peer review and I will be renominating the article for FA at some point soon. I would really love to know what your opinion is of the articles quality now, either at the PR, the article talk page or even my talk page. The current PR hasn't drawn much attention so I'm in real need of feedback. I hope you can contribute an opinion to this article. Thank you, regards. — Realist² (Who's Bad?) 17:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll have a look. --andreasegde (talk) 21:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. :-) — Realist² (Who's Bad?) 22:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Then again, I have read that a peer review isn't worth much, and that you should take a magnifying glass and peer at the article before putting it up for FA. Peer reviews just cut the article to pieces, and FA reviews talk about compelling writing, which don't work together. Look at it very, very carefully for obvious mistakes, and then go for it.--andreasegde (talk) 22:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Strawberry Fields Forever

Hey, I was wondering if you'd help me with this. I don't have many resources, if you had any books, it'd help. For inspiration, I've been listening to the song on my computer, but that doesn't give me resources. :) Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 18:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll look in the books and watch the Antholgy DVDs again (best source you can get when Martin personally talks about songs).--andreasegde (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You won't believe this, but I'm actually close to getting Heather Mills a GA. I can't stand that bloody woman, but I couldn't resist it.--andreasegde (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I've put as much as I can in it, and cleaned a lot of stuff.--andreasegde (talk) 22:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I haven't had a lot of time recently to work on it. Thanks for taking off that Technical tag; I wrote the section, but I wasn't sure if it really was too technical. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it was easy-peasy. Technical? Some people just wander around articles looking for places to put tags on.--andreasegde (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Beatles Day!

Happy Beatles Day! Just a message from the Beatles WikiProject! Have a great day, Andreasegde/Archive 27!

...... Densock .. Talk^{(Dendodge on a public network)} 11:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Heather Mills

I reviewed this article, its currently on hold. Cheers. --— Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 14:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Andreasegde, I just wanted to say I'm sorry if you're frustrated. Too many cooks in the kitchen, etc. Realist did as for help, however, and another critical eye is typically more helpful than harmful. The article is in generally good shape and I'm sure that it will easily pass GA with a little tweaking. Best of luck, María (habla conmigo) 14:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, María. Check out 'Tvoz' on The Beatles pages; she's also a woman (as I think you are) and it's always nice conversing with her. I thank you again :)--andreasegde (talk) 15:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, I find writing about music less enjoyable than listening to it, so I don't know how helpful I would be for the project since I don't really contribute to music-related articles. I did, however, write most of my last FA while listening to Sgt. Pepper's. :) María (habla conmigo) 15:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to start up a flame war at all, I didn't invite any specific people in, I just left a general note on the GA nomination talk page. It's to do with insecurities about my abilities and had nothing to do with you personally. As I like you and Indopug and never new about any history I wish I hadn't left that notice now. Sorry again. — Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 15:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - don't worry.--andreasegde (talk) 05:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What A Fun Read!!!!!

How wonderful to have all that vicious tabloid trash so well presented in encyclopedic format! You've done a great job on the article. While remaining neutral, she still comes across as the money-grubbing, fame chasing charlatan she is. Hat's off to you and I hope it makes GA! Jeffpw (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi! maxsch created an RFC for myself User:Florentino floro - Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro[1] I would appreciate it if you would take a look. Max created this upon message to my adopting parent User:Diligent Terrier here[2] vis-a-vis the pending User:Diligent Terrier/Florentino floro and Maxschmelling (created on 18:38, 18 May 2008 by Diligent Terrier) Thanks.--Florentino floro (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The RFC was deleted:

00:32, 20 July 2008 Wizardman (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro" ‎ (two people have not certified basis for dispute within 48 hours).

--Efe (talk) 07:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for you kind and terse response on my page[3] May I please bestow upon you our Peace and good luck. --Florentino floro (talk) 08:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Heather Mills

I can do a copyedit for Heather Mills if you want help for the GA. I've done copyedits many times in the past, having a firm grasp for the English language. By the way, I'm just about done with getting Strawberry Fields Forever to a GA, which will be my third Beatles GA (assuming it makes it). Do you have any suggestions for it while I wait for Ruhrfisch to finish his PR? Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 19:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Congratulations on Strawberry Fields Forever so far.--andreasegde (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, no I was not there, but am very friendly with someone who was and she reports it VERY differently. But PLEASE tell me that you are not accepting that anything in a paper therefore means it is true...!Captainclegg (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

PS PLEASE remove the two house names. Why are you determined to cause her possible problems? I am assuming that you are not very keen on her and also that you do not know her, but I cannot see the reason to continually compromise her safety. Surely that is a matter of concern, is it not? There must be responsibility here. The right to know is not the same as the need to know. Captainclegg (talk) 23:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for clarification

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro was deleted on "00:32, 20 July 2008 by Wizardman (Talk | contribs)-("Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro" ‎ (two people have not certified basis for dispute within 48 hours).

I respectfully quote the rules: "In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute with a single user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 21:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: 01:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)."

The page, after having been deleted by the administrator was restored, with only ONE certification and endorsement:"Users certifying the basis for this disputeUsers who tried and failed to resolve the dispute.:#TheCoffee (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

My question, please: Are not, 2 endorsers required, lest fatal deletion results? Since, after 48 hours, now, more than, per math computation, if I am not mistaken, no 2nd required certification was posted. So, must the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro remain or be deleted. Respectfully submitted, awaiting your kind comment. Thanks.--Florentino floro (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Florentino floro was recreated and certified by enough people to remain active. If you want to comment you are certainly welcome to. I understand you don't like the restriction to comment only on the talkpage, personally I don't care where the comments get put. I created the RFC with a template and didn't decide to say that. I would only mention that I am not a lynch mob, I created it at the behest of floro's "adopter" User:Diligent Terrier after a long unresolved discussion here [4]. There are real issues here, so if you are going to comment, please look at all the evidence before you say that it is no big deal. maxsch (talk) 18:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Peace

Sorry for losing by rag with you. — Realist² (Speak) 15:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

This message represents the real meaning of Wikipedia; which is that we should all work together, no matter what our opinions are.--andreasegde (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Beatles newsletter July 2008

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 013 – July 2008
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Strawberry Fields Forever

Thanks for all your work on the article. I knew I could count on you when the time comes for a GA. I hope it passes, I've worked very hard on it. But there's always a few things that I could miss, and it's glad to know that a set of fresh eyes (on a good friend) could spot them. :-) Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 15:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - I enjoyed working on it.--andreasegde (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Please don't wikilink the dates. It is optional, and really isn't necessary. See the Peer Review and Tony's words of wisdom to Realist2. Tony writes most of the WP:MOS rules, so I think it's best to listen. ;-) Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 20:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

This is absolutely the first time I have heard of this. Is Tony the new boss? (Sight of man bowing and doffing his cap, and thinking about CONCENSUS). This means going back over lots of articles and un-linking the dates. Are you totally sure about this, or is it that Tony doesn't like the colour blue? (as has been witnessed by yours truly on FA reviews.) "Tony writes most of the WP:MOS rules" makes me think of despotism.--andreasegde (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Tony does literally write Wikipedias rules on MoS, he is one of the top (hardest) FA reviews and he removed all the links in the Jackson article. I have spoken to him and he says this also includes dates in British notation. Also thank you for supporting the Jackson article and thank you for the comment on my user page *hug*. — Realist² (Speak) 21:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My opinion about him is different (see his FA reviews) and I don't see why he seems to be the boss, without concensus. I would need professional, referenced qualifications (and not what he states is true) before I bowed down to this self-elected authority. "I'm a professional editor and research consultant", needs to be referenced, if he claims it to be true, as I am thinking of the Essjay controversy. BTW, "Tony writes most of the WP:MOS rules" makes me feel ill.--andreasegde (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No comment. I hope the Essjay incident was isolated, I'm not sure the community could stand another one on that scale. I reckon he still edits under a new account. He edited for like 12 hours a day, he was a wiki addict, it seems unlikely that he just quit and never edited again. — Realist² (Speak) 21:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My point is that anyone who claims to know the rules, and then changes Wikipedia rules (without concensus) should come out of the closet.--andreasegde (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I tend to agree, it would be interesting to know what Jimbo's opinion of this is these days. — Realist² (Speak) 22:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't have one, because that would upset the apple cart, and is not part of the masterplan.--andreasegde (talk) 10:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, this: "Traditional grammar sucks", and this: "Although I've started writing short articles on aspects of functional grammar, such as Thematic equative and Nominal group, I can't claim more than amateur status", is very interesting.--andreasegde (talk) 11:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC) "

Strawberry Fields is on hold. The only things left to do are get some pictures, and change the prose to British English; I request your help with the latter. I'm from the good ole' West Country, and we use [shudder] American English. Would you mind changing the article's prose to British, because I would surely miss something, but it's familiar to your eyes. Thanks! Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 17:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Okey-dokey.--andreasegde (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

References

Lol, I think you will overtake me at some point!! — Realist² (Speak) 13:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope someone reviews Heather Mills quickly, because at 182 references, I will soon be certified and put into a sleeveless overcoat. :)))--andreasegde (talk) 17:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Beatles Telegram.jpg

I don't think 2,448×1,677 can reasonably be called low resolution. Simply being lower-resolution than the original is not enough for a fair-use claim. Since the telegram is entirely readable at the preview resolution of 800x548, I'd advise reducing the actual image to that level. 86.132.142.207 (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

And who are you? (Editing twice on 19 July 2007, and then from 21 July 2008?) It seems a bit strange, does it not?--andreasegde (talk) 12:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

And another thing: "Simply being lower-resolution than the original is not enough for a fair-use claim", is a load of old cobblers.--andreasegde (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I've done it - 400 × 274 (if only to stop a wh*=&r and to give myself some peace) happy now?--andreasegde (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Heather Mills? GAh!

Been a bit busy. I will look it over tonight, if you are still needing input. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a gander, so I can move more quickly if it starts up again. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You have been recommended

Hi, LessHeard suggested you might be interested in Phillips' Sound Recording Services - it's a new article by a new editor, got speedied once (under different capitalization), looks to me like some attention from someone well versed in Beatles history could do a lot for it. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll clean up the page (references and info box) but I don't know more than is already in the article.--andreasegde (talk) 12:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just done some work on it, and added a photo of Percy.--andreasegde (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - looks good. DuncanHill (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It now looks really 'effin good (that's the bleedin' thanks you get...)--andreasegde (talk) 00:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

		The Modest Barnstar
		For simply picking up what was there (Phillips' Sound Recording Services) and making it what it is now. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Now that's what I call a nod in the right direction. I thank LessHeard vanU from the bottom of my wallet, don't-cha know... :)--andreasegde (talk) 13:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Nicky Byrne

Hello old chap. I’ve noticed your recent terrific work, and wondered if you would be interested in creating an article about Nicky Byrne. You probably know he was asked by Epstein to run The Beatles merchandising side of things during the Beatlemania period (calling it Seltaeb), and only having to pay a ridiculous ten percent to Epstein. At the time, merchandise was at least as popular as records in the US. He personally made millions in a very short period before Epstein realised his mistake, by which point it was too late to repair the damage. It was one of Epstein’s skeletons, and he tried desperately to conceal the vast amount of money lost to The Beatles. He actually thought that they probably wouldn’t sign a new contract with him (in ‘67 I think) because of it. Anyway, if you find yourself running out of “Beatle People” to write about, he would make a good subject - with yourself at the keyboard. What do you think? Take care. --Patthedog (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to wait for that bloody woman to get a GA, and I'm already working on Magic Alex, as well as Phillips sound recording services. Byrne is interesting, if I can find enough references.--andreasegde (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can appreciate you’re very busy right now. However, if you should ever want to do Byrne, and I hope this doesn’t sound too weasel-like, then I would be happy to chip in. Cheers,--Patthedog (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice to work on it together. Thanks for asking me.--andreasegde (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, is he still alive? (Not a joke, but a serious question...)--andreasegde (talk) 01:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, you've got me, but I don't know if it will be anything more than a stub. :)--andreasegde (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hold on, as there is already a Nicky Byrne, what do you call it? Nicky Byrne (The Beatles)?--andreasegde (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Holy shit - that was quick! Sorry, I’ve just got in. Dead or alive? I don’t know! Other than his documented involvement with The Beatles and Epstein, there isn’t a vast amount of info readily available. But I will find it. Stub will be fine. You’ve already done a great job, now it’s up and running it will be fleshed out. Fantastic. Thanks!--Patthedog (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"Holy shit - that was quick!" made me laugh. :)--andreasegde (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Mills

Just thought that you may like to know that the new photo of Hove promenade that has been put on the site is NO WHERE near where she lives. Just thought that you may like to know. Captainclegg (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC) If you're interested I maybe able to find a more accurate one. Captainclegg (talk) 23:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll take it out - I never liked it anyway. Thanks.--andreasegde (talk) 16:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Chills

Didn't realise you were that him! I've heard the name (I've played as support act for Martin Phillipps and David Kilgour when they were together in the Heavy Eights, and still see them occasionally socially, BTW). Grutness...wha? 02:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

PS - any reason why you're not listed at Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles? Grutness...wha? 07:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Didn't know there was one. BTW, Martin never paid me for the job! Ahhh... the days of helping yer mates out on a couple of numbers... I remember doing two songs (B-side?) but can't remember what the other was called.--andreasegde (talk) 12:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

That would probably have been the instrumental Purple Girl. Feel free to add yourself to that WP:WWA list :) Grutness...wha? 13:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Abbey Road image

????? -- Are you responding to something I wrote a long time ago? Robert K S (talk) 14:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

In other words, you're asking me whether something I said 6 months ago is still valid. If you were to do a date comparison, I'd bet you updated all of those banners after the date I posted the message. Robert K S (talk) 14:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)