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Famous in Love

Is Freeform like The CW now? – Do they just not care about "same day" ratings anymore?!!

I'm talking about Famous in Love, here. But those ratings are awful. Unless this show is heavily streamed, or something, there's no way it survives with those numbers... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

From what I know, for Freeform viewers, anything that's 0.40 million and below is considered tanking, so yup, that was awful. For the demographic, I'm not too sure. Probably anything that's 0.15 or below for the 18–49 is tanking. Sigh. Pretty much everything is down and doing bad now. Nickelodeon, Disney Channel... Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but this gets back to my earlier point that "same day" ratings are completely useless now. I'm guessing that network executives aren't even looking at "same day" ratings for anything that's not a sporting event (or, like, the Oscars) anymore. There's just too much time-shifting and streaming now for "same day" ratings to be relevant. (Related anecdote: I haven't even watched the Famous in Love premiere yet, and probably won't until this weekend...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: What's funny is that when Disney Channel went down in November 2016, Nickelodeon skyrocketed up and stayed that way through June 2017. (See ratings for The Thundermans, Henry Danger, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, Game Shakers, Paradise Run, School of Rock, and Hunter Street during that time.) From July 2017 onward is when Nickelodeon's plummet train started rolling, and now it's doing about the same as Disney Channel is since it first went down in November 2016. Even Henry Danger was affected when it hit a new series low this Saturday. Previously, it was 1.35 million on November 14, 2015, and that was only because of the Paris attacks then. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I just hope that Nielsen's next annual sample/algorithm update in summer 2018 affects Nickelodeon and Disney Channel positively, because that is part of it. The summer 2016 update had some Nickelodeon "bias" in it as there were likely more Nickelodeon watchers in the sample. The other portion is that people, for whatever reason, are continuing to cut the cord. Finally, you have the people who are still watching, but not live. Combine those three things together—bad sample for certain networks, cord cutting, watching later—and you have a mess. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:37, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: From some discussions on Showbuzz Daily, one problem is that networks actually care more about the Live+SD ratings since for Live+3 and Live+7, most people skip and fast-forward past the commercials on the DVRs. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

That was true, yes, but I'm not sure how true it still is. Also, that particular concern doesn't impact streaming numbers (which the nets must be paying more and more attention to in lieu of "same day" ratings...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:28, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Amaury, I'm not asking you to put this back on your watchlist (FTR, it's not on mine, either...) – but I am going to ask you to keep an occasional eye on the article, still. Somebody recently tried to add a "cast table" to the article (e.g. this monstrosity), and in addition to being totally unnecessary, it is also in violation of WP:TVCAST – you're not even supposed to do one of these until a show gets to at least a third season, etc... So it will help if a few more of us occasionally looked in on it. Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Sure. Also, I think Geraldo Perez is still watching it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

School of Rock (TV series)

Today the series finale airs so I changed the End date, put it says present. Why are you doing this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77B4:EBD0:A024:602E:70C5:B9A2 (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

First of all, even if today is the season and series finale, it hasn't happened yet. Second of all, we have nothing confirming today is the season and series finale. It's that simple. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

What do yo waiting for? School of Rock is officialy ended - [1] this link on pages confirmes that (last season of 20 episodes). Before begging it was confirmed, then this season is final. What is problem?Lado85 (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) For an official source confirming tonight's episode was the season and series finale, one of which does not exist. That's what we're waiting for. Until then, we can't make those changes. Plain and simple. All that link confirms is that School of Rock was canceled, but there's nothing about when the last episode is. I suggest you start understanding how things work around here if you don't want to keep having issues. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

This link again [2]. What do yo waiting for? School of Rock is officialy ended - School of Rock will end with the current third season. Six of the 20 episodes have run with 12 left to air, followed by an hourlong finale. Isn't this confirmation? Final season of 20 episodes with hourlong final (I Love Rock and Roll: Parts I&II is the hourlong finale. What confirmation do yo need? Why this deadline.com ling isn't confirmation for you? I can't understand. There is 20 episode and there is unhourlong episode. Lado85 (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Obviously, you can't read, so I'm not going to bother responding in full when the answer is in my last reply. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Not me. You can't read. Official source is confirming that this season is last one and number of episode is 20 and final episode is hourlong.Lado85 (talk) 07:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

You need a conformation? Here it is - [3] All great things must come to an end, and sadly, that includes Nickelodeon's popular musical comedy series, School of Rock, which will be ending with a two-part special, "I Love Rock and Roll" premiering this April on Nickelodeon USA. Lado85 (talk) 07:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

ARE YOU NORMAL????? Lado85 (talk) 07:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you unintelligent? Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

[4] File:Sorsf.jpg Lado85 (talk) 08:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Henry Danger

Can you please edit the Henry Danger article and put this: Henry Danger also aired on Nicktoons in the UK and Ireland on April 9, 2018 along with the animated spinoff The Adventures of Kid Danger. This is true info, I saw the show on there last night before Kid Danger premiered! 86.181.127.24 (talk) 06:58, 10 April 2018 (UTC) P.S. Please reply!

Hi, 86.181.127.24 – we can't add that info unless it can be sourced to a Reliable source (see also Verifiability, not truth). Even an online scheduling guide might work for this, though a media article on the premiere would be better. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Lizzy Greene

Hey, Amaury – do you know which episode(s) of Paradise Run Lizzy Greene has appeared on? Her article doesn't list the episode(s) (or how many), and IMDb does not have this info either... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:07, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Look at the descriptions of Paradise Run's NRDD S2 and S3 episodes here. The NRDD episodes will have NRDD in the titles or some reference to show, like "quad." Not all of them have the names listed, though before the site changed, you could click on an episode for more detailed info, such as guest stars, etc. Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, from that, she's definitely on episodes #2.2, 3.2, and 3.6, and maybe on episodes #2.4, 2.5 and 3.7 – those last ones aren't clear from Zap2It's guide, so I'll to try to check the Nick app on those ones, if I really want to know... There were no "stunt-casted" episodes with Nick stars in season #1 of Paradise Run, correct? (P.S. You didn't fully sign your message above... ) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:41, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

No, season one was all kids chosen to be on the series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:38, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Argh... The Nick app only has about 10 episodes of Paradise Run, and none of the episodes I'd need to check. It's not available OnDemand either (just 2 episodes there). The only way to confirm would be iTunes, and I'm not paying for episodes just to check stuff for Wikipedia!!... OK, wait... I can confirm from the picture associated with ep. #3.7 on iTunes, that Lizzy Greene is in that one. And I can confirm she was on ep's #2.4 and #2.5 by looking at the "preview promo" for those episodes on iTunes. So it looks like it'll be "6 episodes" of PR at Lizzy Greene, as I can now say that I've confirmed 6 appearances... Cool (and lucky!! ). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Sean Ryan Fox

Please keep an eye on this one – it was nominated by me, and deleted at WP:AfD, but somebody AGAIN tried to recreate a basically unsourced WP:STUB that does not pass WP:BASIC. Please just turn it back into a redirect if somebody tries to do this again... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: I was about to come to you as I just reverted them on Henry Danger and List of Henry Danger characters. Surprised they didn't target the episode list. Although the link to Jeffrey Nicholas Brown is valid, so that can be re-added. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Riele Downs

I'm also not thrilled about Riele Downs (I suspect it would fail at WP:AfD, if I took it there...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:34, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

And now I could use your help at Riele Downs (do you have it watchlisted?...) – somebody just added an unsourced WP:DOB, and I'd prefer to not be the only person reverting at that article!... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Already watching it, yes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Ronni Hawk

As feared, somebody also created Ronni Hawk recently. It's another bad BLP stub – I wish people that don't know how to start new aritcles well would just stop doing them. Esp. BLP's... I'm going to ping Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 to this discussion now, so they're aware of all three articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:04, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: When I saw this edit to List of Stuck in the Middle episodes 11 minutes ago, I was trying to figure out how Ronni Hawk got an article as the last time I checked, she didn't have one. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

[sigh...] I just spent 10 minutes cleaning that up, and it still doesn't get to the real problem – lack of sourcing/possible WP:NACTOR failure. And it was created by someone who's been around long enough to know better... But I see this all the time – BLP and film articles that really don't cut it. The worst is when they try to create articles for TV movies... [sigh...] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Per an earlier revert, I still have one problem with the latest, albeit good faith, edit. Multiple: having or involving several parts, elements, or members. Several: more than two but not many. Many: a large number of. Bold emphasis mine. Therefore, her article doesn't have multiple issues as there are only two tags. PS: My bad on The Alienist. It was kind of a mess in areas and made it a little difficult. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks like an "automated" edit. But I agree with you, so I've restored. I generally only go to the {{Multiple issues}} wrapper if there's more than two article tags. Same thing with {{WikiProject Banner Shell}} – I usually use it if there are more than two Talk WP banners, but generally not if there's only two. Same thing with {{Redirect category shell}} and redirect categories. But I think this comes down to a personal preference thing. FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I think personal preference can only go so far, though, in my opinion. Multiple, by definition, is more than two, but not many. It'd be like saying 2 + 2 = Fish because that is your personal preference. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Ariana Greenblatt

IJBall, Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968: Another one to keep an eye on: Ariana Greenblatt. Just reverted linkage of that on Stuck in the Middle per WP:SELFREDIRECT. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:07, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I have now followed up at User talk:Marino13 about this, and have urged them to create a Draft article first. Frankly, any attempt to create an article in Mainspace that does not clearly meet WP:BASIC should be reverted back to the redirect, poste haste. FWIW... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, create first, then link. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Lilan Bowden

@Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and MPFitz1968: Another WP:TOOSOON? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks like it may meet NACTOR with number of roles and 3 references that are more than passing mention. Some bio info is sourced to IMDb, such as birthdate, which should be removed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Voicebox64 has been responsible for a number of the recent questionable WP:BLP creations, incl. Sophie Reynolds (that only survived at WP:AfD with a "no consensus" result), Jeff Ward (actor), the aforementioned Ronni Hawk, and now this one. If I thought having a conversation with that editor would do any good, I would, but based on the number of redlinked articles linked to on their Talk page, they are quite well aware already that many of their BLP creations are questionable, and the "sourcing" they provide is generally substandard . (Not to mention they still don't format Filmographies correctly...) But every single one of these is, at best, "borderline", and at worst are WP:NACTOR fails. The problem is, their very borderline nature makes them coinflips at WP:AfD. And, on my end, I am too busy these days to nurse anything through WP:AfD. Bottom line: I would not have created any of these (certainly not with the current level of sourcing), and they're all questionable. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Sofia Carson

Need more eyes on this one, please. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Still on my watchlist. Also, revenge time! Look above. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television

Hey, thanks for your help, you made it a lot clearer. :) Can you point out to me where STATUSQUO or BRD are guidelines, though? I can't seem to find it. Thanks! :) -- Alex^TW 00:56, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

That's interesting – I tried to make an argument on WP:STATUSQUO grounds, but you didn't seem to be very interested in it. The point was that Netoholic's edit back in Feb. was the "bold" one (I didn't see this change until this week), and that in the absence of consensus in support of that change, the version should be rolled back to the version without his alteration. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Just wondering where it's a guideline. Cheers. :) -- Alex^TW 02:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you seem hung up on this. Quite simply – essays that are useful (and are widely followed) should generally be followed. (And guidelines that aren't, shouldn't be.) Considering that a discussion had begun on the Talk page on the subject, and not even Netoholic had reverted, you would have been well advised either to leave the situation alone, or to contribute to the discussion, rather than reverting and throwing fuel on the fire like you did. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

So, can you clarify if it's a guideline? I was threatened to be reported for not following the guideline, with words "it must be followed", rather than generally . Cheers. :) -- Alex^TW 03:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghost Wars (TV series)

I'm requesting some assistance at this article – I've got an IP-turned-non-autoconfirmed editor that is edit-warring to include redundant information in the lede that I've already put in a separate 'Broadcast and release' section. (IOW, the info is not "lede-worthy".) Maybe you can get through to this editor where I have failed... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Kim Possible

Sounds like they went with an "unknown" as the lead. [5] Very disappointing... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

User Mariofan3

Hey, remember your concerns about this editor? Well, take a look at this!! Notice the usernames in the very first report for May 2012. There's no way this is a coincidence... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)