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Gold mining in Alaska

Thanks for your interesting contributions to Alaska gold mining in Gold mining in the United States. With your contributions, I considered that the section was large enough to be split off into a separate article, Gold mining in Alaska. Since this appears to be your specialty, I hope that you will continue to add to the article. Plazak (talk) 03:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

References

Howdy AlaskaMining -

Nice work. I too am a wikipedia newbie, I've done some additions to your work. I think we better both start including more references before one of the elders stomps on us.CGX (talk) 05:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

outline of the gold mining in alaska page

Hmmmm, just wondering, if the Gold Mining in Alaska page is to grow much more, have you thought ahead about the organization of the page sections? Right now there are sections for regions, towns, mining districts, individual mines, and broad arm-wave belts; all sharing the same header-level. Not an easy question, but best addressed now, before the monster grows.

You can post any reply on the subject to me right here on your own talk page - best to keep all parts of the discussion in one place. CGX (talk) 22:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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That's a good idea, but I'm really a newbie here.

The page will certainly grow more; I have a huge database and have been adding things as time permits (I have other duties, haha).

If you could point me to an example, or if you have some ideas, let me know.

AlaskaMining

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First - I also know almost nothing about wikipedia (except that one uses the 4 tildes CGX (talk) 03:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC) to auto-sign comments on talk pages like this, not necessary on article edits)

It seems that if the article gets huge some wiki-elder might want to split it, as Plazak did to create the page we are discussing. So keep that in mind.

One might break things into easily intuitively understood (and commonly-used) areas something like, from northwest to southeast:

far north (roughly Brooks Range and northward), seward peninsula, west central, east central, southwest including Alaska Peninsula, southcentral, Aleutians, and southeast.

And below that into mining districts and/or sub-geographical areas (i.e., Kenai Peninsula) and/or significant mines/projects/belts/whatever (there are significant gold-prospects like Shotgun that are not in any mining district).

Administrative districts such as census areas, boroughs, or recording districts would be a poor choice, because they don't correlate usefully with geology or the flow of Alaska mining history.CGX (talk) 03:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Maybe into 5 geographical regions: Southeast, Southcentral, Interior, Arctic, and Southwest. Then keep the sections on current activity and recreational mining, add one about Government, one about the economic impacts...

BTW, your contributions to this page are excellent.

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Good job on the reorg - I removed the Northwest Arctic Borough header because that borough is a recent (1986) political invention and has no geological, geographical, or historical connection to the flow of Alaska's gold mining history. Also then moved the Fairhaven placers to the Seward Peninsula section because thats where they are. (the Seward Peninsula is a natural sort of catagory geologically and geographically that has been used by miners and geos since the beginning and still is...)CGX (talk) 05:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks, I was struggling with how to best organize it.

Alaska Mining Page

I'm thinking I should start on a page for Alaska Mining, covering the other areas such as copper, coal, zinc, lead, silver, uranium, platinum, etc. as well as regulatory agencies, history, etc. etc.

How would I do this? Should I do this?

AlaskaMining

The how is simple. Just set up a link the the article you want to create (such as the following): Mining in Alaska. Then when you click on the link, Wikipedia will tell you that no such article exists, and present you with a blank page to start ine. Just write or paste some text into the space provided, and save. Plazak (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

If you want to look at examples of what others have done along this line, see Mining in Idaho or Mining in Australia. Alaska mining is a big subject, but if you have the time and energy, go at it. Plazak (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

including misc exploration activities in Current Activities section

I moved the Full Metal Minerals stuff a bit, none of their projects are what anyone would call advanced, actually I think maybe it doesn't belong at all, but leave it up to you. The operating mines and major projects certainly deserve a place - whether Pebble gets developed or not it will be a significant aspect of Alaska gold mining history. But I'm not sure one wants to use the Gold Mining in Alaska page to list every exploration company and project for every commodity in the state today. It all changes so fast, new prospects, prospects changing hands: the info would quickly be outdated and wrong if someone didn't monitor news releases and update constantly. And the list would be a page or two long. BTW - Illinois Creek does probably deserve mention... (sidenote-did you know the mining fleet from there is now in use at Rock Creek?)CGX (talk) 20:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Maybe a sublist in the external links sections i.e., public companies active in gold exploration in Alaska????? (public companies, because obviously there are private, and/or unpublicized, efforts, some of which are significant.) CGX (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Oops, I'm an idiot - Illinois Creek is already mentionedCGX (talk) 20:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks, I wanted to include them because they are exploring areas of previous mining. But I see what you're saying.

I believe the page is fairly well outlined, and filled out. Maybe some expanding here and there, but I'm about ready to start on an Alaska Mining page, covering the other aspects of mining in Alaska.

The sublist for mining companies may be a good idea, but I doubt I'll be adding any more. I just wanted to list the ones active in the regions mentioned in the article.

Not yet!

Don't quit now! Your doing a great job. How can it be complete without mention of the vast Ruby-Poorman placer district (some mines still active, and the source of the largest gold nugget ever found in Alaska), the historical hardrock and placer Tibbs Creek district mines near Pogo (that are being explored again), the Nolan Creek mine near Wiseman (still active and being explored for hardrock potential) - the area where some of the largest nuggets ever found in Alaska have come from, or the Nyac placers, still active and also being explored for hardrock gold - if you go to Bethel or Aniak everybody has an uncle or grandad that used to work at Nyac, or the historic hardrock Apollo Mine near Cold bay, or the Hog River placers north of Galena (which are still being exploited), or the Sumdum hardrock and placer mines, or the 50 or so hardrock gold mines in Prince william Sound and the over-the-Nelchina Glacier route miners used to use, the Salmon River district near Hyder........CGX (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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I'm not finished, now that we have a good outline and start on it, I'll add some more (yes, those areas are on my list, just been busy).

Thanks for the support and contributions.

Next up is the Mining in Alaska page.

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Glad to hear it.

Now some housekeeping (which is a pain, but the good quality and size of the article makes it worthwhile). I'm afraid the personal communications are probably not an acceptable wiki-reference (no original research rule), maybe ask Plazak about that. Also the references that just list an author and year are also probably not enough...your probably planning to come back and fill those in.

BTW: the four tildes (4x~) are not needed/useful in the edit summary when you edit an article - but do use them on these talk pages (even your own) like this one CGX (talk) 19:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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The personal communications were part of the ARDF. And yes, I plan to add the direct references as I go along. I hope I'm not making anyone angry, this is a huge topic and requires a lot of research.

I had thought the four tildes were a method of signing (when I didn't, it seemed to reference my IP), and were useful to revert in case of vandalism.

Obviously I'll persist, and learn as I go, else I wouldn't be much of a prospector/miner.

Also, should we have more images? I know some people that work at the Ft. Knox Mine, some that used to work at Nixon Fork, etc. and I'm sure they'd lend some images. Or is the page getting too big already?

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Reference the ARDF directly as you plan to, adding the page numbers might be classy.

Angry? No way! Full steam ahead!

The four tildes are a way of signing - these talk pages. Notice that you haven't signed your contributions to this TALK PAGE and one has to guess who you are (not that it is difficult yet, but maybe later....). If you are signed in when you edit an ARTICLE PAGE, your edits will be automatically attributed to AlaskaMining, if you are not signed in your edits will be automatically attributed to your IP. Tildes do nothing but show up as tildes when you put them in the edit summary.

I think another few judiciously-chosen images (of a big pit like Knox, for example)is a great idea. Wikipedia has these rules about non-copyright material only, one can't just paste in any old photo they have, have to publish it first somewhere else under available-to-the-world-conditions....I think....can't help you more than that....you probably already know, if not must be instructions somewhere.

I have been continuing to sort of keep organizing the page by mining district, does that work for you?

And finally - including the details for individual creeks about depth to pay streak, gold fineness, grade of pay, etc seems a bit much - I suggest you delete that stuff unless it is somehow remarkable and significant in the overall context of gold mining in alaska (for example mega-grade pay). And don't take this wrong - but wikipedia rules (as I understand them) do not allow simply lifting whole sentences or paragraphs from other sources and pasting them into wikipedia. I mean, sometimes its almost impossible to rephrase something, but one has to observe limits.... Probably your doing it as a work-in-progress that will be cleaned and rewritten - I wonder if that is what the sandbox is for? CGX (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks again for the tips; I want to make the article as useful as possible.

The ARDF are public files, as are many of my sources. For non-public files, images, etc. I shall ask for permission (unless I own the rights), or ask the person who took the photo to create an account and upload the images (as I have done in some Wikipedia articles).

Perhaps I shall, in the future, write the additions in a text editor (Kate) and then add them. I'm mostly building it as I go, and as time permits, and plan to clean it up per the suggestions.

I always add the 4 tildes on this page, but it doesn't seem to recognize me. And I am logged in.

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do you put the tildes right here at the end of your text like this tildetildetildetilde NOT in the edit summary?(except use real tildes not the word) And now I will hit the tilde key 4 times CGX (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC) see?

Do not use 4tildes anywhere at all when you edit an article. Use 4tildes at the end of your comments when you edit a TALK page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CGX (talk • contribs) 00:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Talking strictly about text (not photos): Public data source or not, I'm pretty sure wikipedia rules disallow plaigarism. Probably direct or thinly-changed quotes of entire sentences from another source need to be enclosed in quotation marks, and used sparingly. I only go on about this because you are building a really good article and I would hate to see your effort tagged by an administrator.12.104.83.101 (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I totally understand the little-bit-at-a-time effort. Its just that the article is supposed to be always polished, professional, and well-referenced. Even though you created it and are doing 99% of the work, its not a private workspace. Of course the community has to be somewhat flexible, but all that Ruby district dross is just too much - it drags the whole article down for anyone who happens to visit before it gets fixed.

You can also make yourself a sub-user page (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_page#How_do_I_create_a_user_subpage.3F ) that might work as a workspace for you.CGX (talk) 01:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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I see your point. I had assumed that something in the public domain would be freely useable, but I do not know all the rules here yet. I shall fix it.

Let's see if I can sign my comments AlaskaMining (talk) 03:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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That worked, and I see 'someone' has already fixed the page. Thanks!

And again thanks for all the tips. I shall be more diligent in the future.

AlaskaMining (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

move Yentna Cache Creek to stand-alone article?

I know its your personal baby so I won't mess with it now, but...could the Yentna Cache Creek district section be moved to a stand alone page? Or just take your red pen to it and compress/organize it mightily? It is a kind of long and winding read right now. Several things are said several times over, and names and names and names of creeks that mean nothing to anyone who isn't already familier with the district. And remember that wikipedia is NOT supposed to be used to push or advertise our personal economic interests......  :) CGX (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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I cleaned it up, and added some info about Nolan Creek/Hammond River in a seperate section. Thanks again for the tips and help.

AlaskaMining (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

You've really put in a lot of great work building up Gold mining in Alaska. Thanks to you it has an amazing amount of information. I think that CGX is right, in that the article is getting to the point where splitting off some of the mining districts as separate articles would help people navigate through what is now a very long article.Plazak (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks, and thanks everyone for assisting a Wikipedia Newbie in making it happen. The exploration and mining season will soon be underway, (and thus the busy time for me) but if you want to split off some of the larger Districts, I'll help as much as I can. I've also found some more pics for the pages. I defer to the greater experience of you folks. AlaskaMining (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I moved Yentna Cache-Creek Mining District over to its own article. See what you think. Plazak (talk) 23:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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Excellent, and outstanding. I shall put more information, maps and photos in that section.

Thank you for your help. AlaskaMining (talk) 06:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You and CGX have beefed up parts of this article enough so that, if you don't mind, I'll spin off a few more mining districts into separate articles. Plazak (talk) 13:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Perfect idea, I was thinking that as I was looking over the page.AlaskaMining (talk) 16:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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