User talk:Alanna the Brave/Archive 5
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A Barnstar for you!
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Hi Alanna the Brave, I saw that I'd been pinged in a discussion at User talk:Buidhe about this image. Basically – the URAA is a tricky thing to navigate here. Since the photo was still copyrighted in Canada in 1996, US law (which governs Wikipedia) treats it as if it were published in the US at the same time as its original publication in Canada. Even if the image subsequently falls out of copyright in Canada, it doesn't matter.
Unfortunately, the source pages [1] [2] didn't provide much detail about the original publication. The options I see are:
- Find proof that the work was created by the Canadian government and subject to Crown copyright (the Canadian government has expressly declared that Crown copyrights expire worldwide after 50 years, regardless of URAA)
- Find some other reason why the work would be public domain in the United States (these are relatively rare, and usually require detailed information on the author and first publication)
- Ask the deleting admin to undelete so you can convert the image to non-free. You'd need to successfully argue that File:Frances Gertrude McGill in 1917.png is not an adequate replacement for the deleted image.
Happy to continue the conversation here; as Buidhe mentioned, WP:DRV is also an option. Wikiacc (¶) 00:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Wikiacc: Thanks for reaching out. The URAA is so frustrating at times! I think it's entirely possible the photo was subject to Crown copyright (McGill was a government employee for decades), but I haven't been able to find proof. I reached out to Library/Archives Canada about a year ago, and all they were able to tell me was that the photo had been marked "public domain" at some point before 2010. I'm investigating whether I can use another photo from 1942,[3] but I've been receiving conflicted advice about whether or not it also runs afoul of the URAA (it sounds like copyright law changed in the late 90s, affecting the length of copyright protection?). Would a 1942 Canadian photo have fallen into public domain before 1996? Cheers, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've been going by {{PD-Canada}}, which states that in 1996, Canadian law said that photos entered the public domain 50 years from creation. So a photo published in Canada in 1942 would've safely been public domain in 1996. (You'd need to make sure the other two points of {{PD-URAA}} are met, but that should be straightforward if first publication is in a Canadian newspaper.) Sadly c:COM:Canada is lacking in detail about changes to the law in the late 90s. What's the other advice you've been getting? Wikiacc (¶) 06:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Wikiacc: Well, "advice" may be putting it a little strongly -- during an FAC article review, an editor brought up the current Copyright Act page [4] and asked me to explain/prove why the photo was public domain in Canada during 1996 (which I then struggled to do). But they were admittedly not an expert in Canadian copyright law (and neither am I), so I think we were both missing that context about the 90s changes. I'd love to see a clearer WikiCommons explanation about this too. That's a handy PD-Canada template though -- I hadn't seen it before, and it definitely gives me something solid to refer back to for the 1942 photo. Thanks! Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Searching for exact evidence was far too difficult, and Copyright Act (Canada) and Copyright law of Canada are also not great on this (the Commons page could really fill this gap!). Based on this article, though, I am pretty confident in saying that the 1997 amendments to the Copyright Act marked the change (for photographs) from 50 years after creation to 50 years after author's death. Wikiacc (¶) 23:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Wikiacc: Well, "advice" may be putting it a little strongly -- during an FAC article review, an editor brought up the current Copyright Act page [4] and asked me to explain/prove why the photo was public domain in Canada during 1996 (which I then struggled to do). But they were admittedly not an expert in Canadian copyright law (and neither am I), so I think we were both missing that context about the 90s changes. I'd love to see a clearer WikiCommons explanation about this too. That's a handy PD-Canada template though -- I hadn't seen it before, and it definitely gives me something solid to refer back to for the 1942 photo. Thanks! Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've been going by {{PD-Canada}}, which states that in 1996, Canadian law said that photos entered the public domain 50 years from creation. So a photo published in Canada in 1942 would've safely been public domain in 1996. (You'd need to make sure the other two points of {{PD-URAA}} are met, but that should be straightforward if first publication is in a Canadian newspaper.) Sadly c:COM:Canada is lacking in detail about changes to the law in the late 90s. What's the other advice you've been getting? Wikiacc (¶) 06:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Promotion of Frances Gertrude McGill
In appreciation
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- Thank you Gog the Mild! I shall wear it with pride. ;-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I am pleased. You have certainly earned it. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you Gog the Mild! I shall wear it with pride. ;-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
February 2021 at Women in Red
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A barnstar for you!
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WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge award (fourth year)
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- Thanks Reidgreg! :-) I enjoyed working on this article. Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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March 2021 at Women in Red
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April editathons from Women in Red
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Can I use your eyes?
I am trying to get through the last legal hurdles in the Americas. When researching Saint Lucia, I became aware that their civil code was mostly "borrowed" from Quebec's, which led me to research the one to discover peculiarities of the other. Since I was already engrossed, I thought I'd just update the chart for Canada, but to do that I had to research the background. So, in that regard, I've drafted this which I think can be added as indicated. But, I've made a lot of comments because some things I am not sure about and I don't write in British English. I am absolutely still confused about when foreign husbands of Canadian wives could naturalize as spouses. Britain didn't allow that until 1981, so it seems to me that 1950 change couldn't have meant spousal equality for naturalization. Any idea? My other big issue is that throughout the articles on Canadian nationality and History of ... "nationality" and "citizenship" are used pretty much interchangeably. While that is a peculiarity in British law, they aren't the same thing. Nationality=who is a member; while citizenship=what obligations and benefits one has for being a member. Clearly, as the case of women's history points out, one can be a national without being a citizen or a citizen without being a national (because foreign wives were allowed to vote if their husband had naturalized). Anyway, when you have time, could you look it over and give me your feedback? Thanks! SusunW (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Sure, I can take a look over the weekend and try to help you puzzle through some of it. :-) My general (admittedly non-expert) thought is that Canada's system has become less entwined with the British legal system since the mid/later 20th century, so I don't know how much help it is to look at the issue primarily through a British lens, but we'll see. Alanna the Brave (talk) 14:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've been suffering from cottonwood pollen for a few days, but am feeling functional again. Thanks for taking a look. Your explanation of the Statute of Westminster makes it much clearer. That is why I need local eyes. Maybe the easiest way to word it is "Once ratified, the 1931 Statute of Westminster gave the Dominions the ability to govern independently on behalf of their constituents, rather than implementing governance on behalf of the British crown"? Do you agree that History of Canadian nationality law is where the material needs to go? I feel like the main article on Canadian nationality law should probably have a better summary of the history, but I think this info is too detailed for the main article. I appreciate your help! SusunW (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- @SusunW: No problem. Yeah -- I like that paraphrase, and it definitely sounds like a good fit for "History of Canadian nationality law". I hope the pollen doesn't keep you down -- I've got another month before local hay fever season sets in for me! Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- What's totally weird is we don't usually have cottonwood here, but a norther blew through a week ago and brought crazy pollens we don't usually have. Can't really miss those giant puff balls all over our patio and garden, so we were sure what the problem was. Anyway, I'm better, thankfully. I moved all the info to that history article. Still need to figure out for sure if men could acquire nationality through a wife in 1950, but I'm pretty confident about the rest of the dates. If you run across anything that would clarify it, let me know. SusunW (talk) 22:33, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- @SusunW: No problem. Yeah -- I like that paraphrase, and it definitely sounds like a good fit for "History of Canadian nationality law". I hope the pollen doesn't keep you down -- I've got another month before local hay fever season sets in for me! Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've been suffering from cottonwood pollen for a few days, but am feeling functional again. Thanks for taking a look. Your explanation of the Statute of Westminster makes it much clearer. That is why I need local eyes. Maybe the easiest way to word it is "Once ratified, the 1931 Statute of Westminster gave the Dominions the ability to govern independently on behalf of their constituents, rather than implementing governance on behalf of the British crown"? Do you agree that History of Canadian nationality law is where the material needs to go? I feel like the main article on Canadian nationality law should probably have a better summary of the history, but I think this info is too detailed for the main article. I appreciate your help! SusunW (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Frances Gertrude McGill scheduled for TFA
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We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yay! Thanks Gog the Mild. :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Just wanted to stop by and say congrats on FA and making it to the front page! bibliomaniac15 00:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you today for the article "about Canadian criminologist and forensic pathologist Frances Gertrude McGill (1882–1959), who helped establish the first Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) forensic laboratory in 1937. Nicknamed "the Sherlock Holmes of Saskatchewan" for her deductive skills, McGill solved prominent cases across the province and later taught forensic investigative techniques to RCMP recruits. I brought this article up to GA status in 2018, and have since made substantial edits in response to a peer review and some helpful advice from Iridescent & others. Although well known to the public during her lifetime, McGill has fallen into some obscurity since then -- I think her story is a fascinating one"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda Arendt and Bibliomaniac15! I'm happy to see it up there today. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Congrats Alanna the Brave. I love that she would have appreciated your skills in sleuthing out her life. SusunW (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Susun! :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 01:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Congrats Alanna the Brave. I love that she would have appreciated your skills in sleuthing out her life. SusunW (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda Arendt and Bibliomaniac15! I'm happy to see it up there today. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yay! Thanks Gog the Mild. :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
May 2021 at Women in Red
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June 2021 at Women in Red
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July 2021 at Women in Red
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Small note
I saw your helpful review at Talk:Cone sisters/GA1. This note is not very meaningful, but consistent citation styles are not required by the GA criteria, though it would certainly improve the article. Why this is the case I will never understand, but I just thought to let you know. Urve 11:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Urve -- I think I had known that, but forgotten. Like you, I find it rather counterintuative! In future, maybe I'll add a qualifier to any comments about citation style consistency (e.g., "This is not a GA criteria requirement, but as an optional improvement I suggest..."). Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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August Editathons at Women in Red
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WiG editathon in October/November
...is a fabulous idea. I'm not sure what all would be needed, and my availability would be weekends for the most part, but if we wanted to do something like this, I think every little bit would be helpful. LovelyLillith (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
September 2021 at Women in Red
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Canada
Hi Alanna. Saw your comment about Canada getting less attention in WIR and this had occurred to me too. The Ada 24 hour editathon needed a lead in the timezone of the Americas and I had immediately thought of New York or San Francisco... it was only later that I realised the Belize, Jamaica, Toronto and Montreal are just as valid. On that subject, do you know of a Canadian who may be interested in coordinating? It would be good to see not "US editathon" but "Canadian editathon". Victuallers (talk) 07:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Victuallers, thanks for reaching out! I think it's a good move to try to diversify event leads -- I can't think of any Canadian candidates off the top of my head, but I would suggest posting to WiR, WikiProject Canada or WikiProjects for the other countries you've mentioned to ask around. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
October 2021 at Women in Red
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Month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon Event in October 2021
Great initiative Alanna! I just realized I have not responded to this as I earlier thought. Glad to jump in on this. What's the stage right now and how do I get involved? Will be glad to know. Ptinphusmia (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Ptinphusmia: Glad to have you involved! Just check out the rules and instructions on the October editathon page and add your name to the list of participants. The event is running from October 1-31, and participants who nominate and/or review at least one GA article on the theme of women's rights during that time will receive a special barnstar afterwards. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Help with Roma Downey
Hi Alanna the Brave, I noticed that you are interested in fiction and biographical articles about women, and was hoping you could pop by to look at my edit request at Talk: Roma Downey. She is an actress, producer and author from Northern Ireland. Hope to see you there! Thanks, Franklyspeaking2008 (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
November 2021 at Women in Red
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WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge fifth anniversary
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Query
Hey, I don't think we've properly met, but I've been familiar with your spectacular work for a while, particularly articles through WiG. I joined the latter group a while back but have only recently begun working on articles under its scope—since I normally write on music, so I've been working on Kassia's article, but primarily procrastinating/re-reading as the topic is somewhat complicated! :) Anyways, in my procrastination I began working on an 8th-century Armenian composer's article, Xosroviduxt. I had planned to bring the articles of her, and her earlier-contemporary Sahakdukht, to GA but now am not sure. Since I've basically 'finished' Xosroviduxt, I'm concluding that there is so little written about her that it feels somewhat silly to nominate the article for GA. I was wondering what you thought about this? There are plenty of sources in 'Further reading' but not only are they virtually impossible to access, I am almost certain they would contain the same information already in the article. Also.... I stumbled across your projects page and saw Florence Price's name there; I've been thinking about working on her article for some time, so if you would want to collaborate on it in the future, do let me know! Best – Aza24 (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Aza24 -- nice to meet you! Thanks for the kind words about my work. :-) I'm always interested to read about women in earlier history (we hear so little about them, outside of the usual Western queens and princesses). It's a short article, but I don't think it would be silly to nominate Xosroviduxt -- there are no specific size requirements for GA articles, and if you've done everything you can to write a comprehensive article on the subject, nobody can ask you for information that doesn't currently exist in reliable sources. If you haven't already accessed those Armenian sources, however, I would recommend trying to obtain them and double-checking that there really isn't any more info you can use (if only so you can tell a GA reviewer that you've done that work). Maybe the Resource Exchange or WikiProject Armenia could assist? I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on Florence Price, but I'd be happy to collaborate sometime. Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for all of this, I will definitely consider the route you suggest, getting a hold of those sources will be a pain though :) I just wanted to float the idea of Price by as I have some things I'd like to get through first as well. Maybe later next year I should check back in about it? Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Aza24: Yes -- let's revisit Florence Price next year. I'm hoping to have more time for Wikipedia projects in 2022. I sympathize with having to access those Armenian sources (argh), but I'm pretty sure a GA reviewer would inquire about them. Fingers crossed for good research results. Good luck! Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for all of this, I will definitely consider the route you suggest, getting a hold of those sources will be a pain though :) I just wanted to float the idea of Price by as I have some things I'd like to get through first as well. Maybe later next year I should check back in about it? Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Aza24 -- nice to meet you! Thanks for the kind words about my work. :-) I'm always interested to read about women in earlier history (we hear so little about them, outside of the usual Western queens and princesses). It's a short article, but I don't think it would be silly to nominate Xosroviduxt -- there are no specific size requirements for GA articles, and if you've done everything you can to write a comprehensive article on the subject, nobody can ask you for information that doesn't currently exist in reliable sources. If you haven't already accessed those Armenian sources, however, I would recommend trying to obtain them and double-checking that there really isn't any more info you can use (if only so you can tell a GA reviewer that you've done that work). Maybe the Resource Exchange or WikiProject Armenia could assist? I'm not sure when I'll have time to work on Florence Price, but I'd be happy to collaborate sometime. Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Alanna, happy holidays! Khosrovidukht just reached GA status; I added it to the WiG recent successes section, but is there any talk page banner that should be added for WiG or something? Best – Aza24 (talk) 06:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Aza24: Congrats on the article! And happy holidays to you too. :-) There is indeed a 2021 WiG banner you can add if you like (it was only set up last month, so pretty new). You're also welcome to add the article to the Women in Green Goal #2 list. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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December 2021 at Women in Red
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- @Apolo1991: Sorry -- I'm located in Canada. Best of luck with your project! Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
simple thanks
Your work to expand Maria E. Beasley, among all your other contributions, is much appreciated. Thanks, and best of the new year to you. --Lockley (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Lockley: Thanks for the kind words! Best of the new year to you too. Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
January 2022 Women in Red
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