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Hey, I noticed your contribution to the Polish-Soviet war, something I both hoped and loathed to do for quite a while. I was wondering if you could do the same for the Katyn massacre article sometime - another featured article that's suffering from link rot and other reference-related un-FA-like maladies... --Illythr (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, i'm glad that's appreciated. Althou it's minor change it consume a lot of time so i add it as minor with a hope i'd found some time to do more in future, or to initiate someone to follow me (especially now when i see it's ok work).

Alongside there's lot of mingled references (e.g. Covert Polish Missions Across the Soviet Ukrainian Border, 1928-1933 -Timothy Snyder is journal article, connected with release of his book Sketches from a Secret War: A Polish Artist's Mission to Liberate Soviet Ukraine [2005]) and if we ever clean these we should in reorganization no.2 make distribution on books/studies/popular mag. articles and so on because there's in fact to much inconsistent quoting or even deliberate misconclusions "Piłsudski wanted to break up the Russian Empire", that one "smart sentence" supposedly came as conclusion from above article on 6/24 pages (hm)?

Or these supposed saying "Closed within the boundaries of the 16th century, cut off from the Black Sea and Baltic Sea, deprived of land and mineral wealth of the South and Southeast, Russia could easily move into the status of second-grade power. Poland as the largest and strongest of new states, could easily establish a sphere of influence stretching from Finland to the Caucasus." supposedly from now non-existing article (***eastwest-review.com/article/respublika-polsha-kakuyu-laquosvoboduraquo-utratilo-eto-gosudarstvo-v-1945-godu (blocked by wikipedia!)).

Or these note-quotation wastly taken out of context (which is more like 3-4 pages long in the named book, just that we could grasp background): "Although the Polish premier and many of his associates sincerely wanted peace, other important Polish leaders did not. Josef Pilsudski, chief of state and creator of Polish army, was foremost among the latter. Pilsudski hoped to build not merely a Polish nation state but a greater federation of peoples under the aegis of Poland which would replace Russia as the great power of Eastern Europe. Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine were all to be included. His plan called for a truncated and vastly reduced Russia, a plan which excluded negotiations prior to military victory." --Richard K Debo, Survival and Consolidation: The Foreign Policy of Soviet Russia, 1918–192, Google Print, p. 59, McGill-Queen's Press, 1992, ISBN 0-7735-0828-7. So someone should either transcribe more of book or better explain the part which this note is referred to. Not to mention to explain background how second Polish prime minister (Paderewski) came to power and background of Pilsudski-Paderewski internal Polish political struggle. It's explained in Anna M. Cienciala Rebirth of Poland lecture note

In fact this rather wast article looks rather clouding for casual reader, against comprehensively written Anna M. Cienciala Rebirth of Poland lecture note. (it should take some structuring example from there) ntm that List of battles, Peace of Riga are rather marginally mentioned and i think some comprehensive part of Peace of Riga should be included here and 1919/1920/Aftermath should be heading1 and list of units should be put in separate table (on separate page). And in Peace of Riga (subsection on this page) should be that Pilsudski-Paderewski article just like in Peace of Riga also.

And in Causes of the Polish–Soviet War (for the sake of easier reading) (==The prehistory==)-->==History==|===Kievan Rus & Tatar-Mongol invasion (12-13(?th?) century)|===Partitions of Poland & First Polish Republic (18th century)===|(add)===Poland position under Russian Empire===Aikenware (talk) 10:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

When these articles passes featured status review, the requirements were much more lax than now. In addition, several years have passed since then and they have fallen into disrepair. I have tried to mitigate the link rot a few times, but am too lazy to do a large-scale sweep.

To address your points raised here, 1) Prometheism and its envisioned Intermarum state seem to be fairly well-sourced. 2) I have provided another source for Pilsudski's statement on Russia. 3) "Although the Polish premier... - seems to be well in the context of explaining Pilsudski's plan. 4) Eh, Poland was allied with Britain and France - they did declare war on Germany, after all. 5) Yeah, the "Causes" article is much worse off, but the partition you sugges makes sense if the section will be expanded. Right now it's just two paras. --Illythr (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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