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National Assembly of Hungary

• I took a quick attempt at rewriting the article from a redirect that doesn't make much sense into a legitimate article. Given that you're Hungarian, though, you could surely do better job of expanding it from here than I could. --DMG413 02:34, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the link to the german page in Sándor Petőfi. --de:Benutzer:Gabor

Attila Jozsef

Please see the WP:RfD discussion about this. I think the sense is that the article should probably be at Jozsef Attila. (We generally leave accents out of article names, since our english-speaking users generally don't know how to type them.) Is this acceptable to you? Noel (talk) 16:31, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

PS: Wikipedia style is that people generally reply on the User_Talk: page of the person who wrote a message to them (that way, someone doesn't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person whom they are having a "conversation" with), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above).

Hi, I'm kind of stuck with this Attila Jozsef thing. If it were up to me, I'd do the move - I think you have made a good case that we should do with accents as we do with spelling (which is, unless there is common English usage without, to use the original). However, several others have already expressed a contrary opinion on this particular item, and haven't gone back to change it. I have brought up the issue at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (use English), to see if we can get a formal policy in place. Please add a comment there. (Briefly!) Noel (talk) 12:50, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I went ahead and did the move - he's sufficiently poorly known in the West that I don't think there's any reason to list him without the accents. There's no policy yet, but if we're going to leave Zurich at Zürich (which I think it totally stupid, the standard English spelling everywhere in the English-speaking world is Zurich), this is nothing compared to that. Noel (talk) 03:06, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

PS: Never, ever move a page by cutting and pasting the contents. This loses the edit history, and it's Very Bad. An admin just has to come along and fix it anyway, and it's more work for admins who have other things they need to be doing. Noel (talk) 03:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Right, I'm an admin - I take care of most requests on WP:RfD. I just deleted the redirect, after which I could move the article over. Noel (talk) 03:29, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hungarian language

You might want to review Hungarian language closely. User:Antifinnugor has been changing major and minor points, mainly to reflect the position expressed in his user name (i.e. the alleged non-existence of the Finno-Ugric language family). As such, I think much of the changes should be considered POV. As for me, I am trying to stay out of this business as much as possible, mainly since I don't know anything about Hungarian, but also because I have been engaged earlier in several unpleasant debates with this user (see for example Talk:Finno-Ugric languages, Talk:Uralic languages). Kind regards — mark ✎ 17:32, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hungarian and Grammar on "Uralic languages"

Hi, maybe you could help out with Hungarian grammar at Talk:Uralic languages#Possessive pronouns. And Talk:Finno-Ugric languages languages, too.

Thanks, Nyenyec 21:38, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think it would be useful if you could check the changes made on Uralic languages and Finno-Ugric languages from time to time. The editors there either know grammar but not Hungarian or vice versa. :) Nyenyec 04:04, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

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Márk Rózsavölgyi

Szervusz. Kellemes Karácsonyi Ünnepeket és boldog új évet, és Aszarah beTébéth. I'm Sheynhertz-Unbayg=211.128.71.202.

You wrote about Márk Rózsavölgyi on its article, "One of the largest music stores in Budapest and in Central Europe". Is that "MCD Zeneszalon"? or "Fotex Record"?

When I went to Budapest over 8 years ago, there is MCD Zeneszalon looks out on Vörösmarty Tér and diagonally opposite to Kávéház Gerbeaud.

I went to Budapest last year, when "MCD Zeneszalon" had moved to the place of "Fotex Record".(!?)

I'd be most grateful if you could join Hungarian-to-English translate operaton.--Sheynhertz-Unbayg 06:29, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

When in doubt... (VFD)

Simply copy the title from the page you created, and link it like so: {{Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Pestszentlőrinc}}.

I think the problem here was that when the software processes the template, it has a habit of changing the non standard characters into unicode markup, which is not necessarily what you were looking for. So what happened is that it changed the whole thing into several unicode characters instead of that single unicode character... especially with the strange back tick. I fixed your problem for you. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:44, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your advice on the VfD page

Thank you for your advice:

"Simply copy the title from the page you created, and link it like so:

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was REDIRECT. dbenbenn | talk 23:07, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pestszentlőrinc

This article obviously has an incorrect character in its title, so it should be deleted. (There is an article with a well-formed title on the same topic, Pestszentlorinc, it contains all the information mentioned in the previous article.) --Adam78 00:54, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• No, the article obviously has the correct spelling of the place; it's Pestszentlőrinc, not Pestszentlorinc. The Wikipedia software has trouble displaying Unicode article titles, but people will be searching using the Unicode characters just the same. Therefore Pestszentlőrinc should be redirected to the ASCII rendering Pestszentlorinc, and the latter article should have one of those "The title of this article is incorrect due to technical limitations" notices. Psychonaut 02:27, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, this template doesn't work!
* Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Pestszentlőrinc
I wanted to link to the above, but the deletion template doesn't work. Are these characters really so nasty? At least I can link (above) to the article with the faulty title, and from that page you can reach its "Votes for deletion" entry. The problem is more than obvious... --Adam78 01:26, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's easier if I copy the appropriate "Votes for deletion" message:

This article obviously has an incorrect character in its title, so it should be deleted. (There is an article with a well-formed title on the same topic, Pestszentlorinc, it contains all the information mentioned in the previous article.) --Adam78 00:54, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Note: redirect would also be possible, and this way users perhaps wouldn't feel necessary to create a new article with a "more precise" name. --Adam78 01:35, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:24, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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• Redirect -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:24, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect completed --Adam78 15:27, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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and for your help, but that's what I had done (as I read in the VfD instructions), and it didn't work for me -- that's why I asked for help. It still doesn't work really well for me: the template itself works though, but its link is red and it links to a new, non-existent page: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Pestszentlőrinc whose title is even worse than the title in question. (BTW, I use Opera 7.54u1. I wonder if the fixed link works well for you.) Anyway, I hope that whoever wants to visit the page, will be able to do so sooner or later...

--Adam78 12:07, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I happen to be using Firefox. Maybe your encoding is incorrect? If not, you should submit this as a bug at Bugzilla. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:13, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Cities of Hungary

Yes, I know, but have a look at the actual page: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Cities_in_Hungary

You will find that four other users (incl. myself) are telling you that you shouldn't go about renaming this on en: :) --Joy [shallot] 13:07, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Head of State

Hey Adam,

I am fully aware that a provisional president is not the same thing as a king. That said, so long as we make it clear that Karl was King, and Karolyi was provisional president, I don't see what's wrong with showing continuity between monarchy and republic by having a table that can continue to be navigated through. john k 02:08, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't want to have a different title for the box. To have the title be "Head of State of Hungary" would be annoying, I think. But if some other way could be done, I would support it - I agree with you that the way I had it was not ideal. john k 02:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Székely

At Székely, you added links to Hungarian, German, and Romanian, all of which are disambiguation pages. I'm not sure what you had in mind, so I'm just giving you a heads up. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:09, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

• Well, if it wasn't you, that's simpler: I will not hesitate to make edits. I must have misread the history. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:04, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian music

I see you have done a lot with Hungarian music. I do most of my work lately with opera/operetta. I am trying to understand why some German operettas, like Zigeunerbaron, is in Hungarian-language category. Is it musical influence or subject? What is your thinking on it? --DrG 20:50, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

Source for Image:Tisa.jpg

On User:Avala's page you asked for the source of Image:Tisa.jpg. Here is is: http://www.becej.co.yu/ The image is also found at: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/866bb/ --User:Hottentot

Diacritics

I see that you have moved some articles to titles that include the ´ signs. Are you sure this is the correct thing to do? Because other users simply use to leave out all signs. Is there a new policy? Juro 19:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for fixing the dates on Pál Szinyei Merse. Rl 07:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian prehistory

Nekiestek a kollégák, de nem tudom, hogy nem újraírni kéne-e inkább az egészet... -- nyenyec ☎ 15:49, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iron Gates

The place where the romanian Ion de Hunedoara the father of Matei Corvin has crossed the danube

Ordering in categories

Hi,

I've seen that you started to order the names with diacritics in the categories. I'd like to do the same in Hungarian Wiki but when I asked if it would be a good idea, only two editors answered and one of them was against it. Could you please drop a line there that you support the idea? It's on Kocsmafal (lost somewhere among long pages of personal attacks by IGe and the likes :(

thanks,

Alensha 16:35, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! :) – Alensha 18:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hungary

Thanks for reverting that ad. I'm just wondering how you noticed – I have the page on my watchlist but I can't make it list the changes marked "minor". Is there a way to do that?

KissL 15:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, I just understood: my watchlist is only showing the last change to each page I'm watching, so I only saw yours because I arrived after you had reverted it. I'll learn these things sooner or later :)

About the sentence I removed as obsolete: it is not true. (Thinking about it again, it never actually was.) The only context where 5% is involved is that a party needs 5% of the popular vote given to lists to be entitled to mandates on its national (compensation) list. There is no such restriction on forming a parliamentary fraction, once the MPs wishing to form that fraction are elected. (There once was a different numeric restriction, requiring that a fraction may not consist of less than 15 MPs, but this was abolished as unconstitutional after the general elections of 1998, whereby MIÉP gained 14 mandates, was clearly unable to join any of the other fractions, and was unwilling to be left without one.)

I thought about replacing that sentence with one that describes the correct "5% limit" but I couldn't think of a way to put it without explaining the entire system of general elections in Hungary, which would clearly be out of place. That's why I chose to just remove it. Maybe we could write an article about the election system sometime, I believe it is an interesting one.

KissL 16:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Magyars

Could you please drop a word in the Magyars article talk? I am asking this in anticipation of further edit wars there and because I do not know whom else I could ask here in this field... I have studied the topic enough to know that the Finno-Ugric theory is clearly the only standard theory among scientists, but they will not believe me, because pages on the internet are suggesting that all the theories are equally "accepted". No normal archaelogist, for example, would ever agree with the Hunnish or the Sumerian theory...Or has the situation really changed that much over the several past years in Hungary (are there new findings/arguments/discoveries?)? Juro 01:48, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In fact, the research based on linguistics only is inaccurate and most times doesn't coincide with ethnic origins. The example given is good; Bulgarians were Slavicized and so they speak "Bulgarian" now, a Slavonian tongue. The same happens with Croatians. Most Italians are not Romans but Barbarians, yet they speak Italian. Romanians are not Latin at all, despite their language. The Franks were Germanic, but French is a Latin language, and so on (in any case, not Celtic, as the original Gaul people were absorbed by the Franks, Normans, etc.). The supporters of the Ugro-Finnic theory fail in explaining which was the language of the Huns and deny the fact that the rovás used by Árpád's Magyars was exactly the same used by Huns and Avars. They also deliberatery ignore the fact that Sumerian language was undecipherable until researchers used Magyar as the key. They still fail in explaining where did the Magyar myths come from - because even if they are myths (I mean, the Turul, the Hind, etc.) they belong to the cultural ancestry of every people. You cannot expect from Greeks to have other than Greek mythology, would you? or perhaps from Scandinavians to have other than Odin, Thor etc. in their myths, if not from their own people, would you? So, which "Ugro-Finnic" myth does exist in Magyar tradition? Why only Scythian-Hun legends remained? Why the legendary characters still have Sumerian names (while in other cultures that inherited the same myhtology, they have changed the names)?

Greater Hungary

I've taken a crack at further NPOVing Greater Hungary, since you began the intial effort I'd appreciate it if you would review the article. -JCarriker 21:19, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian versions of place names in articles pertaining to Romania

Hi! There is a bit of a controversy evolving about the Hungarian versions of place names in articles pertaining to Romania. Criztu has started to delete the Hungarian (and in one case, German) variants of place names from the following articles, claiming that they were irrelevant: (Harghita, Covasna_(county), Cluj). I feel this move is unjustified. I would appreciate if you could have a look at the problem and give your opinion on Talk:Harghita.--Tamas 28 June 2005 15:24 (UTC) Thanks for your swift reaction! --Tamas 28 June 2005 15:46 (UTC)

Ő and Ű in articles

Hi!

Wow, this calls for a celebration :) I've been waiting for this for a long time. Thanks for the info.

Alensha 28 June 2005 18:54 (UTC)

Erdoes Paul

Áj ripléjd on máj tókpédzs, bát a lény ege anyi, hogy nekem májnd one. Gubbubu

Deleted part

You wrote "European investigators have visited Vojvodina recently and conclude" but I can't find their conclusion anywhere

It is on the talk page. User:PANONIAN

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Pantheon (structure)

Actually, I changed the links in the relevant articles from to Pantheon (structure) in the hope that the redlink would inspire someone to make an article on the topic, thereby relieving the existing disambig page from linking to these articles... but I'll go ahead and put a stub up now. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk July 6, 2005 14:49 (UTC)

• I decided to redirect it to Temple - the closest approximation to this meaning. -- BD2412 ^talk July 6, 2005 14:55 (UTC)

First Hungarian RFC

hu:Wikipédia:Véleménykérés/Math -- nyenyec ☎ 18:49, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Hun Admins

Things are speeding up over in there! Make yourself heard. -- nyenyec ☎ 23:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Baarle-Nassau

Why is Baarle-Nassau an unusual article? I don't get the link from a brief scan of the article. -- Francs2000 | Talk 14:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Szevasz, a várfallal kapcsolatban elnézét kérek, figyelmetlen voltam, a Roosevelt térrnél pedig igazad volt, én dolgoztam urban legend alapján. Üdv és köszönöm, hogy szóltál Aetil

Üdv, mint láthattad, azt a bejegyzésedet, hogy érdekel az informatika nem is vettem át, mert durván tehetségtelen vagyok a géphez.:) Viszont elnézésed is kérem, azt gondoltam ez egy standard forma ezért mertem ellopni, mert nem tudtam honnan lehet megszerezni az eredeti sablont (ami ezek szerint nem is létezik) és a te lapod láttam egyedül előtte..:(

Köszönettel:) Aetil

First Hungarian personal attack parole vote

FYI: hu:Wikipédia:Felhasználók kitiltása/Math

-- nyenyec ☎ 15:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian alphabet

Hi, Adam78,

You are right about the abbreviations, my mistake.

• A magyar helyesírás szabályai
• MHSZ
• A MAGYAR HELYESÍRÁS SZABÁLYAI

But then we have to find an other example (which still makes sense): I wanted to demonstrate the three cases of composite letters (e.g. sz, Sz and SZ) in actual usage, possibly with the same word.

About the simplifying principle: also my fault. I relied onto a book by István Kniezsa "A magyar helyesírás története" (1959), which is old, and it stated about the 9th and 10th edition of MHSZ, that the simplifying principle was not present. I did not look it up in my 11th edition (third reprint, 1986), which is older, but still current, at home. Quite a mistake.

Thank you for helping to make the article more accurate.

-- Szabi 13:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Bob herceg

• I wrote down the lyric of Londonban hej.. Bob herceg, but I ear(listen)-copied from My CD that I bought at Buda. Is this correct Hungarian spelling? Can you confirm this article? --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 11:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC) = ja:User:Vacsora
  • Thank you!! (^_^) I added 8-lines version under your poem. Can you correct the underline area, like this?:

Tegnap jartam zap áratni, ma mőnök ketözni

↓

Tegnap jártam, zab aratni ma menek kötözni

--Sheynhertz-Unbayg 19:01, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!! --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 14:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

What's the MÁVAG

I rode the Hungarian article MÁVAG, but I can't understand. What is this?

--Sheynhertz-Unbayg 14:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

• And also is the hu:Budapesti agglomeráció parellel to Great-Budapest?

Artur Gorgey (sp?)

I appreciated your contribution to the Artur Gorgey page- I am a descendant of his and am a 3rd generation American. We spell it "Arthur Gorgie" here and NO ONE seems to know anything about him! Oddly enough a great grandson of Austrian General Windsch -Greatz is our neighbor. Peace From California, Frank Gorgie

User catagorization

You were listed in the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Hungary page as living in or being associated with Hungary. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Hungary for instructions. JesseW 22:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: City proper vs. Metropolitan area

I think you should always stick to Metropolitan area. For example, the City of New York is not that big but when you include the surrounding suburbs, thats what most people would conider "New York City". I will raise it at the talk page Sasquatch↔讲↔看 23:15, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for all the work on the compositions by Ottorino Respighi. D. J. Bracey (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: User categorization

Thanks for the hint, I added myself. KissL 10:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey Adam!

I just read your English Swedish text. Here you have your Swedish text in Swedish:

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Hejsan hoppsan allihopa!

Jag är 27 år, heter Adam och kommer från Ungern. Vill du skriva till mig kan du la göra det på engelska, eller på esperanto för den delen. Tack på förhand, och all lycka i världen till alla svenskar som läser detta :)

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You posted on my UserPage asking whether I wished to be added to Category:Wikipedians in Hungary. 100% külföldi vagyok. Lakim Bécsbe. (Tanultam magyarul Csíkszeredan.) Még szabad - vagy nem? --unkamunka. 17:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Yosa Buson Q

Answered at Talk:Yosa Buson. BlankVerse ∅ 00:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Alföld

Huh, I usually click all the links I touch, but if once I don't do it, I put my foot right into it of course... Thanks for noticing. Let me plead an excuse: I didn't think "Carpathian basin" was there just as an alternate name. I removed it now - I don't think this kind of info is needed in a "See also" section, do you?

I was almost sure that the new software version which supports UTF8 would have the right ordering, and I didn't bother to check. I'll be more attentive next time.

KissL 09:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

hi

Two VfDs

Hi Adam,

Could you possibly check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narancsos Bukta and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magyar claims, and provide your opinion? There seems to be a shortage of editors who are both active on VfD and knowledgeable in Hungary-related matters.

Thanks in advance, KissL 12:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

...for this edit. Your comment was a good one to start my day with. :)) KissL 07:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Vandál a magyar vonatkozású oldalakon

Szia! Ha van időd, akkor kérlek figyeld te is 86.105.71.34 tevékenységét! Folyamatosan nagyítja Romániát és kicsinyíti Magyarországot, például a Hungarian minority in Romania, Hungary, Talk:Hungary, Székely, Economy of Hungary, Harghita lapokon. Kissé már durva, amit művel. -nagytibi ! -nagytibi ! ? 23:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Letters with diacritic marks in category sorting

Hello there, thank you for pointing that out, I was not aware that this would happen. Gryffindor 12:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Cognates

I explained my reason on the talk page: unlike most of the examples on that page, which are taken from the table in the external link, they are unsourced. For the English-Hungarian pair (which a bilingual dictionary would source), I have the further question: Is ház a loan word from German Haus? If so (and you probably have better sources on this than I do) it really doesn't belong in the article, any more than the numerous loans between English and otherwise unrelated languages, such as teak and Malayālam tēkka. Septentrionalis 02:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

You asked

By the way, what is the most common place for references like the above? After the link as a comment, among the References or the External links section, on the talk page, or elsewhere?

I've seen all the above, and edit summaries too; so I think there is no standard. In this case, since the explanation doesn't really fit into the text, one solution would be to put it as a reply to my comment on the talk page. Septentrionalis 22:22, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Saint Stephen's Basilica

May I kindly ask you to move it back? My move had nothing to do with national feelings. Rather, at Talk:Dresden Frauenkirche it was established that a wikipedia community consensus is to name churches in their native languages rather than their English name. Halibutt 03:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with that interpretation. The consensus that I interpreted is to name the articles by how they are most commonly referred to in English, meaning that the Dresden church should be at "Frauenkirche" because that is the term by which it is best-known in English. "Szent István-bazilika" is not the term that the Budapest church is known by in English- Saint Stephen's Basilica is, however. Olessi 06:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

As I noted before the voting, it's aim was to establish a universal rule, as rules have to be applied either universally or not applied at all. Otherwise we're simply promoting someone's (in this case German-language) POV over the POV of the others. Simple googletest shows that the church in Dresden is called "Church of Our Lady" rather than "Frauenkirche" in English ([1] [2];) and no English-language dictionary supports the version that Frauenkirche is an English word at all. Yet, it was decided to throw the Use English out of the window and I'm fine with that, as long as we are consistent. If someone has a better interpretation of the voting he/she should note that before the vote was made, like I did. Not afterwards. Halibutt 16:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately regarding a project like Wikipedia, I do not believe that a universal rule regarding names will ever be accepted by the various international contributors. That is why I agree with "Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form." I dislike Google tests. Compare the following searches using the English Google and only English results:

• Quotation marks only around "Church of Our Lady"

1. Dresden "Church of Our Lady" 52,800
2. Dresden Frauenkirche 129,000

• Quotation marks around entire phrase

1. "Dresden Church of Our Lady" 201
2. "Dresden Frauenkirche" 23,700

• "Dresden's"

1. "Dresden's Church of Our Lady" 32
2. "Dresden's Frauenkirche" 17,200

As shown by those searches, quotation marks can make all the difference in searches (compare the placement of marks in your original search). I also disagree with your inference that German gets special treatment- notice that the article is not at Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche, but at Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church. Would you prefer that it be at Emperor William Memorial Church? Compare the other churches at Category:Churches in Germany. Frauenkirche is currently named that because of usage in English, nothing more. Olessi 16:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian

Halló!! There are name pages like László, Kálmán Lakatos, Farkas, Szarvas, Polgár, Homolka (hungarian?), Name days in Hungary, etc. and I made page ja:ハンガリー人の姓名 (Hungarian Onomastics), but I can't found english page like this japanese article. Can you make article? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 10:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Szevasz

Fenyõ Jean-Pierre Ady Udvozol,

Ne haragudjon de magyar ekezettet nem letezik ezen a gepen.

Na, szoval, mi ugyben irok?

Lehet hogy emlekszik a nevemre, vagy hogy van nalad Arcanum Adatbazis-nak a teljes NYUGAT CD-ROM es ertesult arrol hogy en nem csak hogy Fenyõ Miksa unokaja vagyok, hanem azt hogy bizonyos mertek-ig jomagam filozofus-nak ismernek magyarorszagon az emberrek. Most az Amerikai-Angol Wikipediasok kerdojelezik a filozofus lettemet!

Tisztelettel,

Fenyõ Jean-Pierre Ady filozofus

Founder & Director The Infinity Society www.infinitysociety.org

Különös éjszaka

Hello, I downloaded a song called "Különös éjszaka" by Sárosi Katalin. I really like the song, and wondered if you could tell me what Különös éjszaka means, and if Sárosi Katalin is a big star in Hungary. Thankyou --Expurgator 14:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC) aka User:Wonderfool, creator of Name days in Hungary. --Expurgator 14:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

1,000,000th article

Adam, I am still not convinced that this event does not fall under the self-reference category. Actually, there is even more to it than that. Wikipedia is also not a crystal ball. Item #3 of that policy is especially applicable. The probability of the event is calculated on an unverifiable extrapolation, and, as such, very likely falls under the no original research policy as well. Thus, the entry was deleted due to a combination of its being a self-reference, an unverifiable extrapolation

Seth F. Henriett

Hello Adam78! I noticed that you are Hungarian, and that you are interested in autistic savants. Yesterday I noticed an article about Hungarian savant writer/artist, Seth F. Henriett. Unfortunately, as I cannot read Hungarian, I cannot verify the information about her, for instance I don't know whether the two literary competitions she was in are real. There is an interesting interview about her on a TV programme, and I would especially like somebody who does know Hungarian to read it and translate it, so we can verify the information. --EuropracBHIT 10:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC).

Dubnica nad Váhom

Hello! Could you take a look at this edit? I had originally added "Dubnicz" as per its mention on the Hungarian wiki, but as I do not speak the language, it is possible I added it incorrectly. Olessi 23:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into that for me. Olessi 06:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

my name

"baszoetekouw" is just the combination of my first name "bas" and last name "zoetekouw". Maybe I should change it, if it means something nasty. Baszoetekouw 15:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Velence

Hi! You wrote in the Velence (sub-)article that Venice and Velence are "distinguished by means of grammar." Could you please elaborate on that? I totally don't know how are they grammatically distinguished (if we don't count the not-too-nice disambiguation in HuWiki... :) Alensha 21:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I'd never have guessed that it's Velencén for the Hungarian town. :) I added the info to Velence's article. Alensha 23:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I spoke about both of them as Velencében. But then, I also say "Győrben" és "Székesfehérváron", instead of the -tt ending, so it might be that I don't really know how to speak correctly :) Alensha 23:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

btw did you know that WP had no article on szaloncukor until now? :) Alensha 00:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Hungarian forint

Tényleg, an iris nem pedig a iris. Kösz, hogy figyelsz. – b_jonas 13:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Kalov

Szervusz. Boldog új évet, és Chanukkáh.

I found Kalov (Hasidic dynasty). I know Kalev/Kalov community, but where is there??

also Sulitz (Hasidic dynasty) (probably Transsylvania), Tausch of Tosh (Hasidic dynasty).

Please join in to Wikipedia:Translation into English#Hungarian-to-English.

And please add the place names to List of Hasidic dynasties.

--Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 09:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Kalev was Nagykálló. Please translate. --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 09:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration

Azért írok neked, és még két-három magyar wikipédiásnak, mert szeretnék vmi szervezkedést elindítani a magyar történelemmel illetve a határon túli magyarsággal kapcsolatos oldalak ügyében. Úgy látszik, apró eredmények eléréséért is nagy harcokat kell vívni a szomszédainkkal, akik rendszerint sokkal jobban szervezettek, felkészültebbek és öntudatosabbak nálunk, így a történelmünket érintő cikkek vagy gyatra minőségűek vagy elfogultak vagy egyszerűen elhallgatják a nekünk kedvező tényeket. Kicsit fáradt vagyok már az állandó magányos csatározástól (bár a legérzékenyebb témákat eddig elkerültem) és jól jönne néha a segítség. A wikipedia azon az elven működik, hogy a sok-sok szerző egymást állandóan javítva, korrigálva, egymással vitatkozva jobbítja a cikkeket. Úgy tűnik, mi túl kevesen vagyunk ahhoz, hogy ez természetes módon, tudatos szervezkedés nélkül működjön. Ha van vmi ötleted vagy csak néha benéznél egy-egy felforrósodó topikba, előre is köszi! Üdv. Zello 02:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Budapest Honvéd FC

I wonder if you knew things about this club, If you do, I ask you if you want to help me expand this stub of Budapest Honvéd FC or not??

Rakuten06 00:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Fateless

Since there'll be only 2 articles with this title, I think the main article should be the novel (because the novel was earlier than the movie). The movie could be mentioned on top of the book's article as a disambig line, or in the text of the book's article. Alensha 18:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The disambig page is now waiting for deletion, the book will be moved there.

I too found the chocolate factory article browsing from szaloncukor, though don't remember how :) Must be a good film. (I know it's a movie for children but I've watched Narnia too :-) ˇAlensha 20:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian related question

Hello!

Sorry for bothering you, but I've seen that you're a Hungarian guy interested in lingwistics, so I hope you might be able to answer an eazy question:

I've seen that Hungarian use prefixes on verbs to slightly modify their meaning, and in this it's similar to German. Does this feature have similar phonetic (phonemic) consequences?

Eg.: German beenden is often realised in speech als [bə'ʔɛndən] <where ? is a glottal stop like in the Hebrew name Ze'ev>. So if we have three different "words": kint (outside), kiint (to wave out (?)), and kínt <or kín|-t> (pain [akk.]), does spoken Hungarian differentiate btw. all three forms (like ['kint], ['kinːt], ['kiʔint]), or are there only two forms (['kint] and ['kinːt])?

(If you want to answer, please do it on your talk page, as I myself don't have a permanent one.) M.

--222.239.145.229 23:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it mainly depends on how formal, how articulated the speech is, but I'm afraid it's not typical in Hungarian, especially not in casual, everyday speech.

I tried to collect examples for the three cases:

• when the adjacent vowels are long, e.g. in alááll (stand under sth), eléér (reach/overtake in front of sth), utóónozás (follow-up tinning)
• when one of the adjacent vowels is long, e.g. kiír (write out sth swhere), előöntözés (preparatory watering)
• when both adjacent vowels are short, e.g. leesik (fall down), odaad (hand over), kiint (wave out).

I can't hear a difference between kiint and kínt when I put them into coherent sentences and pronounce them normally.

However, I must add three things:

1. It certainly doesn't cause misunderstanding in the case of a and e, since their long counterparts (á, é) are distinctly different in quality as well.
2. Long vowels as such are usually formed more tense (i.e., closer to the corners of the vowel chart) and short vowels are formed more lax, even when they are lengthened/doubled, so there may remain some difference in case of i + i vs. í etc.
3. I'm not a phonetics expert. :) I think you'd better ask Sicboy (who wrote much of Hungarian phonology) whether he agrees with me.

NB: Drop me an email if I can help you in studying Hungarian. I'm very much interested in that! :-)

Adam78 01:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I am here! In normal speech, Hungarian simply doesn't use the glottal stop.My father cannot pronounce it, even he tries it very hard, and gets mad when watching BBC :) so it is not a Hungarian sound. Therefore kint is ['kint], kínt ['kiːnt] or rather ['kint], as in speech /í/>[i] usually in closed syllables, and kiint ['kiint], or [kiːnt], but never [kint]. There is one case, where one can use the glottal stop: if the verb is contrasted with an other one with the same prefix, e.g. Nem kiette, kiitta! (he did not eat the whole, he drank the whole) ['nɛm ki'ɛtːɛ, ki'itːɒ], or ['nɛm ki'ʔɛtːɛ, ki'ʔitːɒ]. At least, I tried to teach my father how to pronounce the [ʔ] with these examples. --Sicboy 13:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi! As far as I know, in standard German, all words that start with a vowel in spelling actually start with a glottal stop in reality. So the glottal stop inside [bə'ʔɛndən] is already there in the word Ende ['ʔɛndə] from which it is actually derived.--Tamas 10:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Ubuntu

Hi, I have been going through the list of pages that link to Ubuntu in an effort to reduce the number of internal pages redirectign to a disambiguation page. Is the link on your userpage supposed to be to Ubuntu (ideology) or Ubuntu Linux. I am guessing the prior but can't be sure. If you know which, could you point it at the page in question? Cheers -Localzuk (talk) 17:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Budapest

Thanks :-))) I hope someone will write more about Bp., 'cause many of the pictures are so beautiful that it's a shame to reduce their size. Can you check List of districts and towns in Budapest? I tried to make it similar to the HuWiki version. Also, is it possible to translate some of the city part names (or will the names be explained in their respective articles?) (Btw is Aquincum really the name of a modern city part? 'cause I thought it's only the Roman name for Óbuda, but it is listed among the parts of a district.) – Alensha 21:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

"Btw is Aquincum really the name of a modern city part?" Yes, but locals call Aquincum city part Gázgyár, or something, and the southern part of Római fürdő (Pók u. ltp.) is called Aquincum for fun. And to match with the names of HÉV stops. --Sicboy 00:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks Sicboy, I didn't know that. Alensha 14:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:List of cities, towns, and villages in Hungary (A-M)

I'm still planning to separate it to shorter articles, but the Hungarian version doesn't look really good now (some letters have their own articles, some don't, it's not really consistent) and I bet it's full of blatant errors – the original version stated that Eger's population is 9000, for example. I spotted that one, because having lived there for years I know Eger's population is around 57.000, but what if there are other errors in that long article? Also, the last complete database with all the data about all towns is from the 2001 census, and lots of things happened since then – villages becoming towns, spellings of names changed, etc. –, and basically the information will have to be gathered from several other sources. Anyway, I'll try to do something about it soon.

About Bp. city parts: Actually I was thinking of terms like lakótelep and that they should be translated, but recess horse would be a fantastic name for Zugló :-D

–Alensha 14:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: "Sir John Bowring - removing commonly misattributed quotation"

Hi,

I'm the author of hu:John Bowring. I wrote about the quote, which has been since moved to q:hu:John Bowring.

You can read more about the quotes origins at [3].

Short version: those are not his words.

HTH.

-- nyenyec ☎ 20:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hungary Articles

Hi Adam. I am also Adam. If there are any Hungary articles that you would like me to cleanup for, please let me know and I'll take a look at them. Whoever has been writing them has superior English skills, but there are tiny little bits than can be made better. Great, fascinating articles, too. I started looking at Hungary articles after watching the movie Kontroll. --AStanhope 14:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Adam. Thanks for the feedback on those changes. I'm sorry about the errors - I will be more careful next time. I responded to your note on my Talk page, on my Talk page. --AStanhope 14:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Communism vs. Socialism In Hungary

Yes, you are right that socialism and communism are not the same. However, the MSZP and SZDSZ parties are, while officially socialist in nature, actually communist if you look at who their leaders are major proponents are. It is the same dirty communist bastards who rode Hungary into the ground and terrorized the populace before '89. Take Medgyessy for example. You cannot deny that he is and while in office was a hard-line communist, even if an idiotic one with little sense of reality.

On the same note, look at how even to this very day, people such as Lovas Istvan are being persecuted for their conservative views. Every Hungarian I know insists that Lovas is too extreme, too prejudiced, too right wing. Why? Because he dares to comment on the corruption and filth eating away at our once-great nation? Because he dares to stand up for the mostly Catholic conservative groups that have suffered the most during the communist years? Anyway, that isn't the point. The point is that whil the SZDSZ and MSZP are officially "only" socialist, they are the de facto communist parties today. Especially SZDSZ, there is no way you can deny that, unless of course, you are an SZDSZ supporter. By the way, you know what Evelyn Waugh said about socialism, right? I can only repeat his words: "FUCK SOCIALISM!"

P.S.: I do like socialism as they have it in Austria. That form of civic socialism works. But the hard-line, exploitative, denigrating socialism that is pushed on by such scum as Gyurcsany and his cronies is despicable. I will celebrate the day when the very last one of the old communist guard has died and is six feet under. Only then can the idiotic Hungarian masses, the plebeians, pull their heads out of the sand and see the light of day. I will wait...

Ok, fair enough. I get your POV comment. However, we do agree that socialist is still applicable to describing both parties and their ideologies without being POV, right? Thanks though. --PistolPower 00:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian language

Hello! I read at namedays page that "A szökőnap (2.24) utáni névnapok szökőévben előbbre tolódnak."

what is this? can you translate to english? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 12:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Page name for temperature articles

To avoid flip-flopping between 'degree Fahrenheit' and 'Fahrenheit' or 'degree Celsius' and 'Celsius', I propose that we have a discussion on which we want. I see you have contributed on units of measurement, please express your opinion at Talk:Units of measurement. Thanks. bobblewik 22:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

...Or even "Fahrenheit degree" and "Celsius degree". Wouldn't those actually be the proper way of saying the units? (Not that I care that much... just decided to chime in.) - dcljr (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

List of newspapers in Hungary

Hello! Thanks for the comment on my talk page -- I moved the list you referred to incorrectly, and I'll make sure not to repeat my mistake. :)

Please note, though, that the list should be moved/renamed in the interests of disambiguation. The current title "List of Hungarian newspapers" is inappropriate, since it could mean either newspapers in Hungary (the country) or newspapers in Hungarian (the language). The nonambiguous form would be "List of newspapers in Hungary" since it more accurately describes the intent of the article. Thanks!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Huwmanbeing (talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 February 2006

Milestones table

I just reverted your latest edit to Wikipedia:Milestone statistics. The only reason the 1,000,000 row was added in the first place was because people kept adding 600,000 to the table when en: passed that mark. I don't think we need to add 2,000,000 until people start adding 1,100,000 (or whatever else) to the table when en: gets that high. In other words, we don't need to fix the problem before it actually happens. The blank top row really doesn't look very attractive, so it shouldn't be used unless it's absolutely necessary, IMO. - dcljr (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Pesterzsébet

Szervusz Adam78! I commend you on your fabulous work on Hungarian articles. Some articles that I find lacking are the districts of Europe, such as Pesterzsébet. Perhaps you could work on those one day. I would, but my knowledge of Hungarian is insufficient as of yet. Köszönöm szépen! Viszontlátásra! somody 03:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

RFC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann

3RR violation at solar eclipse

Hi, you violated the three-revert rule on Solar eclipse. I have disabled your editing permissions for 12 hours. Please read our guide on dispute resolution during the time you are unable to contribute to Wikipedia. Feel free to return after your block expires, but take your differences to the talk page and please refrain from edit warring. Cheers, —Ruud 22:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Urban and Suburban Transit Association

Hello Adam:

I would stick with the word Transit, however I think in this context both terms are interchangeable. My own city, Boston, Massachusetts, has an organization called the MBTA which until recently stood for Metropolitan Boston TRANSIT Authority. It has recently been changed to Metropolitan Boston Transportation Authority - more a reflection of new duties above and beyond simply trains and busses than any problem with the language. Urban and Suburban Transit Association gets my vote! --AStanhope 18:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

English 'one' (a reply)

Hi Adam, I have left a reply for you about English one on the Talk:Pro-form page — in case you have not found the answer since by yourself :)

— kkm@pobox.com 01:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Géza Hofi

Sorry about that. I just translated the German word Humorist directly to the English humorist, not realizing that the German word does in fact mean comedian. When your wrote "A humorist is an author who specializes in short, humorous articles or essays." -> comedian in your edit summary I thought you meant that the definition of humorist also fits on comedians.

--Carabinieri 13:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Szavazás az e-vikiben

Szia, az E-vikipédiában az aktív vikipédisták nagy része meg akarja változtatni az eddigi rendszert a családi nevek nagybetűsítésével kapcsolatban és csak az adott szöveg elején akarják jelölni a családnevet. Ha támogatod ezt a javaslatot, kérlek szavazz rá. Ha inkább a jelenlegi forma mellett vagy akkor vedd úgy mintha nem írtam volna semmit:). User:narvalo 09:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

dzs

Well, dzs is most probably ekvivalent to Polish dź rather than dż. The former is pronounced "softer", using the middle of tongue, the latter is pronounced "harder", with the tip of the tongue. Maybe neither one is an exact equivalent of the Hungarian sound, but... at the end of the day, does it really matter?

The sound itself is present in other Slavic languages as well, see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_language, but again, they have 2 similar letters, dž and đ...

I'm no expert in phonetics, so, make justice yourself.

wek

PS. You might find this link interesting... :-)

RE:Redundant categories

I'm sorry for the mistake, but I find that whole Music festivals category a little confusing. I thought it is a list and an accumulative main category for festival-subcategories at the same time. So there are many examples for articles listed both in the main category and the ...by nationality category. (See Italian music festivals). If the intent of the main one is what you said, then the whole "Articles in the category" section should be cleaned out (and I mean erased), because every entry within it belongs to its own [Nationality] music festivals category. Lajbi 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RFAR

Franz Liszt

According to research by Oliver Buslau, "both of Liszt's parents were Austrians, and no Hungarian ancestry has been traced to Liszt." Do you have evidence that Lizst is a common surname in Hungary and that it's origins are not German? Arniep 22:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

We really need to see more of what the research by Mr. Buslau entails i.e. presumably to state Adam Lizst was not Hungarian he must have traced his ancestry? Arniep 22:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

He has a website here but I cannot speak German unfortunately. Arniep 22:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Frankel Leo

Halló. I made Leó Frankel article, but can you make the Hungarian article and expand the english article? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 08:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Győr

Yes, I'd like them to be both in the Hungary category & the county category (see the other towns too, all of them are included in both, except the cities which have their own category). (nem elnyelő kategória, lusta vagyok kikeresni, hogy mondják angolul. :) – Alensha 寫 词 19:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Szleng

Hová tűntetted a szlenget, és miért? Magyarázzad meg nekem!

Köszi!

Liptelasse

Budapest Metro is a good article

Szia! Thanks for helping to write the article about Budapesti metró. I learned a lot after I read it. I'll help with the article any way I can.

Viszlát később --Starionwolf 04:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hevesy Bischitz család

Halló! I made Johanna Bischitz von Heves article. But do you know about her family, Gyoergy's parents, etc?

also Teréz Brunszvik I made. Can you expand these article?

--Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 01:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hatvany-Deutsch és Hatvani

And besides, I made Sándor Hatvany-Deutsch and Hatvani page. Can you expand these article? --Sheynhertz_געשׁ״ך 19:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Teréz Brunszvik

Thanks, I was trying to fix Sheynhertz-Unbayg's double (sometimes triple and even quadruple) redirects. I had no idea which one to redirect to so I ust picked the first one he moved to.--Shanel ^§ 18:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Hungarian Wikipedians' notice board

Just wanted you to know that some Hungarians are planning to make some use of this noticeboard; it can be useful now that you and me aren't the only Hungarians here :) – Alensha 寫 词 11:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Category

Adam, I noticed that you moved various geographical articles from category "Geography of Hungary" to "Subdivisions of Hungary" and I must say that this is wrong. Subdivisions are political and not geographical regions. Subdivisions of Hungary are counties of Hungary. These regions you moved to "Subdivisions" category are not political units, but only geographical regions and they belong to "Geography" category only. So, please move it back as it was, ok? PANONIAN (talk) 02:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The Regions of Hungary and Counties of Hungary belong to "Subdivisions of Hungary" category and nothing else. Even cities do not belong to "Subdivisions" but to Geography. I also suggest that you write articles about all regions of Hungary (mentioned in that article) and place these articles into "Subdivisions of Hungary" category where they belong. PANONIAN (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I do not agree that Bačka, Banat, and Baranja are political units. They were political units in the past, but today they are only geographical units. Of course you have today Baranya county and Bacs-Kiskun county, but we have separate articles about them. The articles "Bačka", "Banat" and "Baranya (region)" are about geographical regions. Danube-Kris-Mures-Tisza is an political unit, but it is trans-national political unit. The way I see it, the "Subdivisions of Hungary" are those political units that are entirelly located within Hungarian borders. So, I think that "Danube-Kris-Mures-Tisza" would be better placed into "Geography" too. Of course DKMT could be placed into both categories, but problem is that I think that it should be placed into same category for all 3 countries. If it is now into "Subdivisions of Hungary" then it should be also in the "Subdivisions of Serbia" and "Subdivisions of Romania", not in the "Geography of Serbia" and "Geography of Romania". Since I mostly arranging Serbian categories, I think that "Geography of Serbia" is better place for this article than "Subdivisions of Serbia" because it is not entirelly within Serbian borders. Same apply to Hungary and Romania. We can discuss this further if you want, but for now, I will move all these articles back to "Geography". Also, I will write articles about all political (NUTS) regions of Hungary, and these articles will be placed into "Subdivisions of Hungary" category, thus you will have decent number of articles in that category too. PANONIAN (talk) 12:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I wrote new articles now and changed categories where I thought that it should be changed. Problem with these regions like Banat, which are located in more than one country is that we should place them in the same category for every country. If the article is located in the "Geography of Serbia" category, then it should be also in "Geography of Hungary" and "Geography of Romania", and not in the "Subdivisions of Hungary" or "Romanian historical regions" (no matter that last two categories are wrong because there is big difference between history and geography and between political and geographical regions). Regarding articles such is Danube-Kris-Mures-Tisza, I agree that it could belong to both - geography and subdivisions, but we should place it into same category for all 3 countries, either it should be into Geography of (Romania, Serbia, Hungary), either into Subdivisions of (Romania, Serbia, Hungary), but not in one category for one country and another category for another country. If standards for this does not exist we should create some, because otherwise we would have chaos in categorization. By my opinion, geography category is better for Danube-Kris-Mures-Tisza because it extend across national borders, and the word "subdivision" have important part "sub-", which imply that this is something within the country, and which does not extend across its border. Regarding the cities, I think it could be left in subdivisions, because cities are in fact subdivisions (they have its own municipal governments). PANONIAN (talk) 14:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

All right I moved Danube-Kris-Mures-Tisza to "Subdivisions" category for all 3 countries. However, Banat, Bačka, and Baranya are not political units and should stay in "Geography" category. Instead of them, we have clear political units such are Baranya and Bacs-Kiskun counties in Hungary, Osijek-Baranja county in Croatia, West Bačka, North Bačka and South Bačka districts in Serbia, etc. Since we already have these articles about political units, as well as articles about historical ones (Bacs-Bodrog, Banat of Temeswar, etc.), we should regard Banat, Bačka, and Baranya articles as articles describing geographical regions, which they in fact are. PANONIAN (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Category:Organisations based in Hungary

I don't think you meant to create this. I added a speedy tag to it. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 23:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page

Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 23:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)