AFrozenCookieMonster

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Deletion request advice

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Eastell. We do typically give some weight to requests from the article subject. If your dad is still with it, and is requesting deletion, then you could go through WP:VRT to confirm identity. We give some weight to requests from the subjects of WP:BLPs, and I think he'd be able to do things through email and/or through you. I'm not positive how the AfD would come out in the presence of a request from your dad (I would have to think even about how it would affect my !vote), but I judge that it would likely make a difference.

If this does result in keep, then I am confident that editors will rework the Controversies section, which is in pretty poor shape. (Feel free to ping me if nothing is happening.) I could also give you some advice on sourcing other information that you'd like to add. The rules here are a bit complicated, and it takes a minute to navigate them. You'll have more impact trying to politely navigate the rules than the opposite, though! Russ Woodroofe (talk) 12:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, if you have anything to do with the "ToxicTigger" account, which is named similarly to your account and also presents similar arguments, then that would fall under "the opposite" (see WP:SOCK), and is highly likely to result in a block and removal of influence in the discussion. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 01:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Russ. Thank you for your offer of help and your advise. I've been thinking on what you have said since I first saw it. My worry is that the creator has a grudge against my Dad and won't stop (for this reason I don't really want to go into much detail here). They clearly have a lot of experience with Wikipedia and I do not (and my Dad even less so), so I worry that (despite a lot of reassurance in the Keep comments - which is very nice to see) the section will prevail or other minor things will slowly get introduced over time by them, causing further distress.

I very much appreciate what ToxicTigger said, but - to be very clear - no it is not me that said it, nor a message that I asked anyone else to send on my behalf (my Dad definitely wouldn't have done this either). AFrozenCookieMonster (talk) 18:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you have to worry very much about the long term. I will keep the article watchlisted (assuming it is kept), and I think some others will as well. I suppose that it is unlikely that there is much new coverage in reliable sources of the various controversies. Once there is a consensus about how to cover existing sources, a Wikipedia article is generally pretty stable. And you can see how consensus is emerging. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help Russ - really appreciate it (and sorry for the intermittent replies). AFrozenCookieMonster (talk) 16:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)