User talk:A. B./March 2007

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Bharatanatyam needs your contributions! :-)

Hi AB! :-) How is life? :-) I guess sometimes you need to cool down and take a break from fighting with windmills. I hope one day God will shower you with blessings and you will place that long-discussed link ("medhahari/bharatanatyam/bharatanatyam.html") back to where it belongs :-) Have a good day! Regards. Sethumadhavan33 13:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

A. B. away for a day or two

Emergency trip .. immediate replies may or may not be possible. E-mail me if urgent. --A. B. ^(talk) 18:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hope everything is ok. I got your message... and thanks.!--Webmistress Diva 22:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support in my recent RfA which passed unanimously - thus proving that you can indeed fool some of the people some of the time. I'm still coming to terms with the new functionality I have, but so far nothing bad has happened. As always, if there's anything you need to let me know, just drop me a line on my Talk page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Entrusted with the Bucket!

Yes, my identical copy of bucket-and-mop =]

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. Thanks for your vote, I've received an overwhelming 96% support and successfully took a copy of bucket-and-mop from the main office!

School graduation exam and HKCEE are both pressing in, so I might become inactive for a while. But soon after that, I look forward to working with you! --Deryck C. 03:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

No Crow

Thank you for your recent comments on my page. A few responses:

1. I do not mind if I am on your watchlist. Whenever I comment on a page it gets added to my watchlist, so I can see how that would happen to you. Futhermore, It is not unreasonable to keep an eye on odd people, like me.
2. Thank you for the complimentary remarks you made concerning my writing and conduct. It is gratifying to be appreciated. I am pleased that you find me to be a responsible and good editor, contrary to your original perceptions. Despite those perceptions, I have not considered you an enemy. I believed that you were acting in the best interests of wikipedia to the best of your ability. I only thought you were a bit intense in checking me and slow to believe me! But, though I had edited wikipedia for a few years, I had only really jumped in with both feet recently -- and made my own mistakes. So certainly I am not blameless in misunderstandings.
3. I am flattered that you feel I ought to be an admin, but I cannot see how I would add value that way. I do not think I can spend the time on such a job. I like article work.
4. Because I did not consider you to have done anything with malicious intent, I did not think I was justified in any hard feelings and I did not harbor any. But, just in case ... please know that if any forgiveness is needed, it is done and not only forgiven but forgotten. I sincerely have no negative memory.
5. I note that User:Andypandy.UK is still not an admin. He should be. Perhaps you can nominate. I would support.
6. You were traveling to find out about the mythical land of gna as I recall. How did that turn out?

--Blue Tie 16:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice comments. You haven't been on my watchlist in ages but I still run across your edits in various places.

As for Gnaa, I never quite got there. I enjoyed my work in Nigeria and the people I worked with only to get near-fatal food poisoning -- not in Nigeria but on Business Class food on the way home. Gnaa remains an elusive destination that will just have to await my next trip. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

May be inactive for a while

I may be hard to reach for a few days -- problematic Internet access and some major stuff happening off-Wikipedia. --A. B. ^(talk) 20:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Zorpia Entry

Why in your article here: [[1]] did you only show Google results for each query from page result 700 each time? This is misleading.

Google results on Zorpia, show it to be a social networking site. You have to dig very hard to find the pages that relate them to selling pharmaceuticals!

Even searching for wikipedia+Phentermine on Google, and starting from item 700, returns many references to dodgy drug sites. Does that mean wikipedia is a drug spamming site? Why would you use such an odd and mis-leading method?— Menjo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 09:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorpia was deleted months ago because of WP:RS, WP:WEB andWhat Wikipedia is not. Not sure why search results would matter now, it's not the reason for deletion. Results seemed to have been a good faith attempt by AB for the articles inclusion, there just wasn't/isn't one. --Hu12 09:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm in a hospital waiting room and cannot deal with this in detail. There was also a Meta spam blacklist record for zorpia -- take a look at it too. As for the AfD, nobody ever showed that company met the requirements for notability.

I think you're going to find zorpia's wikipedia record speaks for itself.

Someone else will have to deal with this. Sorry, --A. B. ^(talk) 15:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

My original question of why such a dubious method was used has been avoided here. As to the question notability, I think this is being answered in other places well. I would however ask why other social networking sites, of far less notoriety are included in Wikipedia.--Menjo 16:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"Why in your article here: [[2]] did you only show Google results for each query from page result 700 each time? This is misleading. " -- Please do not cite my comments out of context or falsely characterize them. For each Google search, I included a link to the first 100 results and to the last 100 results. See for yourself.[3]

As for wikipedia+Phentermine on Google, if you search for just Wikipedia on Google, you get millions of unique hits. As you can see from the links I cited, the Google count for just "Zorpia" is not much higher than the Google count for "Zorpia" + "Phentermine". Why do you suppose this is? --A. B. ^(talk) 22:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

And since A. B.'s free time for dealing with this issue is limited, I will chime in as well. As to your question, "why other social networking sites, of far less notoriety are included in Wikipedia?", please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

Most importantly, this is not A. B. or any other individual editor's call. The article in question was deleted based on community consensus acheived at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorpia. If you disagree with that decision, you need to file a request at Wikipedia:Deletion review. -- Satori Son 23:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Zorpia.com

Wikipedia has deleted Zorpia from their database. Wikipedia claims dat zorpia is some kinda drug related spam site which have got connections with pharmaceuticals. wikipedia even doubts the number of members zorpia houses. i have been a member of Zorpia.com since Oct 15, 2006 and they have really got these many members and its a genuine social networking website. how can u believe this? by joining zorpia and seeing it for ur self. All we know the reasons zorpia was got deleted off wikipedias database was due to lack of verifiable sources to assert its notability. i have got some sources for you and so please go through these sources and please make the other admins notifiable of these sources as well. Here are some sources that proves the notability of Zorpia:

USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2004-02-29-photoshare_x.htm

TechAddress: http://techaddress.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/interview-with-jeffrey-ng-ceo-from-zorpia/

DMasia: http://www.digitalmediaasia.com/default.asp?ArticleID=19073 (Canada's largest independent record label would not work with a fake drug site!)

Pulse 2: http://pulse2.com/category/nettwerk-music-group/ (Note quotes from Nettwerk Records Marketing Director)

Please look into this matter and give Zorpia.com its honour and glory back. I absolutely love zorpia and i know how lovely this site is.

-Abhishek aka Aby aka Real eyes.

Iamlucifer 21:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Zorpia Entry 2

I am a user of Zorpia. I have joined Zorpia for two years. I understand that you are on an emergency trip. Please read my comment while you have time. According to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorpia, Zorpia was deleted due to lack of verifiable sources, and the fact that it was on wikipedia blacklist. Some other Zorpia members have already requested a deletion review on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review; you can find some new verifiable sources there.

I do not understand why Zorpia is on wikipedia's blacklist at the first place. I am unable to find any log or request for zorpia to be added to the wikipedia. But I do see that you are against the removal of zorpia's blacklist entry here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/02#Zorpia Your very reason cited there was because zorpia has one single wikipedia spam article. And that article is exactly the entry you proposed to removed at the same time Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorpia.

The information were put together, and presented to other wikipedia admins on the same page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorpia, supported by a google search result that is biased, starting on the 700th result. All these have unfortunately led to the blacklisting and deletion of zorpia.com. I do understand that you are just carrying out your responsibility on Wikipedia and that it has been a good faith attempt. But for the sake of wikipedia's accuracy, I wonder if there is any other information you need to reinstate zorpia on wikipedia?

219.78.223.174 20:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear A.B

I am writing with regards to your decision to delete the article about Zorpia from Wikipedia.

I have been a member of Zorpia.com now for the last 2 or more years.

Zorpia is constantly updating its servers and testing many methods for user enjoyment and safety.

on my time on zorpia i have never seen any thing to do with selling drugs or anything of the sort.

Zorpia has over 5millions users I'm not saying that none of these users use drugs. drugs are everywhere.

And Knowing Zorpia and the way it works I'm sure if there was any hint of drug selling or anything of the sort it would have been stamped out the users banned and they're details handed over to the police of that persons area

I ask you to consider these facts that i have wrote before making your final decision. I'm also sure if you were to check with the VGT and The Australian federal police about reports made last summer they will confirm this as it is logged on they're data base.

Again the allegations of drug offences is no more then hateful rubbish if you condem zorpia with these alligations and ban them from your site then you should also ban myspace hi5 and other social networking websites because if there are drugs on zorpia im certain they are on the other sites too as many users have accounts on many sites.

It is unfair to use zorpia as a scapegoat for this problem and to make an example of them.

Are mysapce banned as 4 people have been killed from meeting people on there...

thanks for your time

Tony —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bigtony79 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Note to Zorpia partisans: Considering that A.B. is out of pocket right now and he is not unilaterally responsible for the Zorpia deletion, you would be far better off taking your arguments to the deletion review page.--orlady 21:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

i think zorpia is a nice site & there z nothing wrong in it... it is a genuine social networking website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.38.144.104 (talk • contribs) 09:24, March 15, 2007 (UTC)

Tennessee wikiproject

Hi A.B., was wondering if you were interested in joining the Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennessee. There's not many of us, but I know you're interested in Tennessee things. Thanks! --AW 21:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Note

Hi A.B. I dug up the two diffs Hipocrite was referring to; see here. Both seem to encompass completely reasonable sentiment to me. Picaroon 18:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, for researching this. --A. B. ^(talk) 19:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh!

[4]. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh-oh -- what did I do? --A. B. ^(talk) 18:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Um... Opppose -> Opppose per above. I thought it was intentional. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Jreferee's Rfa

Hello, I noticed your comment in the Rfa. I respect your opinion; this is not an attempt to start an argument. But I must say: I don't see how you could have read the oppose votes and the links included therein and say that the candidate's carefully researching controversy is something you rest your support on. Look, it's pretty clear to me this Rfa is going to be successful, and there are a lot of big names supporting. But I'm against the reasoning behind some of the support, based on things like user page, "brilliant" article contribution, and sometimes no reasoning at all. The fact is an admin, in my very humble opinion, is someone trusted for their cautious equanimity and resistance to bias or rush to judgment, and that is something that even the few oppose votes clearly demonstrate to be lacking in this candidate. Thank you for your time, --Tractorkingsfan 05:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I apologize my belated response; I've been away.

This was one of the toughest RfA choices I've made as I think Jreferee has the potential to be an unusually good admin for the reasons I pointed out. However, after reading the comments added after mine and on further reflection I have switched my position to "neutral" for now. --A. B. ^(talk) 15:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for support in my unsuccessful RfA. I appreciate the support, and am disappointed on being judged by what in most opinions seem to be the wrong things. Until next time, edit on! :) — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 03:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with images

Hi, Can you please take a look here and comment. Thanks. Sarvagnya 23:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not an authority on templates, copyright or India so I'm afraid I don't have much to say about Template:PD-India other than it seems like a useful tool to have. --A. B. ^(talk) 23:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Disabling link to www.deathcamps.org/occupation/ghettolist.htm

I am a little confused about the reason for disabling the link in my comments on the talk page. If it is because there is a copyright issue--which is not clear to my small brain from the link you provided--OK. However, if it is because it is a "soon-to-be-discredited" link then it is perhaps premature to disable the link, particularly since the url is indicated. I stand by my comments on the usefulness of the page. Isn't it a little unusual to edit somebody's comments on a talk page rather than just adding a comment. But if it is a copyright issue then I understand even if it isn't clear to me why only disabling the link deals with the issue. Or perhaps there is something else?--Joel Mc 03:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't think anybody on Wikipedia or Meta is judging the value of the content of these links -- it's all about copyright and legal responsibilities.

I'm not in charge and not even an admin, just someone who does a lot of spam cleanup. When I saw that these links were being blacklisted, I checked and saw that 40+ talk pages had those links and were about to get "locked up" from editing, so I went around breaking the links. If you read the discussion at m:Talk:Spam blacklist#Intellectual property dispute (permanent link), you'll see that this is apparently an OTRS issue of some urgency.

If a link is on the m:Spam blacklist, then any page it appears on is frozen until the link is removed. Editors trying to save an edit get a message flash up on their screen that the talk page is non-compliant and changes cannot be saved until the offending link is deleted. On a long talk page, it may take 10 to 15 minutes to find the link, especially if it's embedded. Many people miss the one sentence that tells them what to do about it so they end up frustrated and confused at either m:Talk:Spam blacklist#Proposed removals or MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist asking for help and waiting for an answer. So I'm spending several hours trying to do this now to spare a lot of other editors from frustration. (I still haven't found the links on several extremely long talk pages.)

These two sites are not blacklisted yet but I think that's only because they're trying to find someone on the other languages' Wikipedias to take the links out of article space. Once they're out of articles, then they'll be blacklisted whether or not they're still on talk pages. --A. B. ^(talk) 12:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I have something to learn about the procedures, particularly spam related ones. I have been busy this past year and have thus only reverted that which appears on the pages I watch out of interest. But I see with such an enormous problem, I am going to have broaden my anti-spam activity, but like most don't want to through babies out without the bathwater.--Joel Mc 06:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Complaints from 72.24.79.46/24.119.101.26

How can you assume this? A.B. How can you assume that [[5]] this user is connected with the sites and ip you have associated them with? According to wikipedia.org it is this users first edit. Please correct or let us know how you have came to this conclusion with proof. You also warned this user: As well preventing anyone from linking to them from any site that uses the MediaWiki spam blacklist. Are you telling this user to control everyone's actions on the Internet, wikipedia.org? Impossible! Please don't erase and make me publish a copy on a page that gets logged. Let's work this out together.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.24.79.46 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

—Meta: 72.24.79.46 (talk • contribs)

—Previous IP: 24.119.101.26 (talk • contribs)

Comment from Celticpete

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