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October 2017

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A contradiction in the definition

(refactored from Talk: Patriarchy)

"In sociology, patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property. In the domain of the family, fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children."

vs.

"most contemporary societies are, in practice, patriarchal."

Women have more property than men in many western societies. Women make the majority in all democracies. Women have more privileges than men in social life (women are or are becoming the more educated population, they have better social networks, lead safer lives, are happier etc). In familes women, not fathers or father figures hold more power than men according to surveys.

My suggestion is to make the definition and article reflect reality (though I know it won't happen). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.191.141 (talk) 06:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm interested in what other have to say to this 213.124.165.35 (talk) 19:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

A large part of this article is blatant feminist claptrap referencing ideological feminists and Marxists, and this really should be obvious to anyone who isn't a socio-political activist who buys into it. In the United States for example, there isn't a single federal law that favors men over women. In contrast, courts have been shown to overwhelmingly favor women over men which is related to women being treated more leniently by the justice system, there is no official "moral authority" that must be followed, plenty of women own private property, and a woman won the popular vote in the most recent presidential election. Any disparities between men and women in the country (and many other Western countries) is strictly due to personal choice, and there is no objective evidence that proves the contrary with the exception of a lone misogynist here and there who happens to be more powerful as an individual than a woman. It's really sad to see so much misinformation being passed off as fact by institutions in Western countries which ends up being referenced by political activists on Wikipedia, which over the years has earned the reputation of being ideologically neutral. PurpleDiana (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Only 4% of the world's population lives in the United States. Shall we discuss India or China perhaps? Kaldari (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Even if it's true that India and China contain a large fraction of the global population, those two countries have a comparatively smaller percentage of world cultures which are concentrated into a smaller area. And if you're going to argue that point, why isn't China, India, Asia, or even Islam referenced in the article while Christianity and European/American cultures are being discussed extensively? PurpleDiana (talk) 06:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion here to keep the article talk page clear of off-topic discussion – Talk pages are not a forum for general discussion of the article topic. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, as you did at Talk:Alcohol belts of Europe, you may be blocked from editing. You are responding to a comment from 2010, and are not adding anything other than WP:SOAP to the article's talk page. Finally, do not assume bad faith and leave derisive comments about other editors as you have here. Familiarise yourself with WP:TALKNO. Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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