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January 2023

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Scott is not an Islamic scholar, even his webpage does not claim that he is an Islamic scholar (http://mesas.emory.edu/home/people/faculty/kugle.html). How do you propose that the change be phrased? Only Islamic scholars have a say in these matters, not random individuals, regardless of their academic degrees. 24.127.250.116 (talk) 02:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

The publisher of the reference disagrees. independent research scholar in Islamic studies Skipple ☎ 02:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Two responses: does anyone who self proclaims to be a scholar can be considered as such? The answer is no. I can claim to be a scholar on subject A, but it carries no weight without many things, including community and peer acceptance. Secondly, he claims to be a "scholar in Islamic studies", which is something very different than an Islamic scholar. Like orientalists, someone can study Islam from the perspective of an outsider, while not himself being Muslim. We see this all the time in people who debate religion. For example, Dr. Sami Ameri (https://www.gemsoflight.com/about-profile/sami-ameri/35) specializes in comparative religion, and knows several languages so he can read the manuscripts of the respective religions. Yet he is not a Jew/Christian/etc. Finally, Dr. Ameri lists that he is a Professor of Islamic studies (not unlike Scott); however, if you were to ask Dr. Ameri if he is an Islamic scholar (Faqeeh in Arabic - someone who can derive rulings and issue Fatwas), then he will tell you that he is not. Those two are very different domaains.

In conclusion, Scott has absolutely no qualifications to voice his opinion on the LGBT issue and how it relates to Islam. He has zero qualifications of Fiqh, and he violates the consensus of all real and well established Islamic scholars from the beginning. He violates what we call in Islam: known in the religion by necessity (basically axiomatic givens that have no room for interpretation). You can ask a real Islamic scholar what that means for the person making those claims.

Let's fix the paragraph in the wiki page please. 24.127.250.116 (talk) 03:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I will submit, I lack the requisite knowledge on the subject to judge your analysis one way or another. Regardless, replacing the current text with modern day random people certainly isn't appropriate. I would suggest taking your issue with the current verbiage to the article's talk page. This would be the best option to arrive at consensus to either alter the current verbiage or remove the citation altogether. Skipple ☎ 04:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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