November 2023 edit

  Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Ngongotahā—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 01:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

hi there I had put city urban area or Rotorua urban area as I've got proof I'd like to show it but I don't know how 222.152.205.55 (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Persistent changes Ngongotahā to Hamurana in infobox settlement Rotorua Lakes District edit

I noted your IP has been associated with this change which has been subject to reversion several times but you have not had fully explained correct process, and claim evidence, not submitted say in the edit box. A further attempt at revision occurred shortly after page protection expired, which suggests you have views on the issue, but after investigation I decided the change was appropriate to again reverted.

Consistent with WP:CON I suggest the best mechanism to further consider your evidence is that you propose under Talk:Rotorua Lakes District revised entries in the infobox parameters | p2 = | p3 = | p4 = and wait at least a week before making any change.

I have no control over issues such as page protection.

Standard references used as baseline in such potentially contentious issues are the Rotorua Lakes District Plan (eg map and any subsequent census or official designation data.

It may be appropriate for you to consider:

  • if Ngongotahā is an incorporated suburb of Rotorua or remains a separate settlement.
  • if the belt separation from Rotoroa in the district plan map has relevance.
  • if the unit considered for defining settlements is NZ statistical areas.
  • the issue that the Ngongotahā Valley statistical area or others in Rotorua Lakes District may have a higher population than Hamurana, and so have priority.

ChaseKiwi (talk) 14:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • I suggest you use the respective talk pages to propose with fresh evidence the changes to the Rotorua Lakes District and Ngongotahā pages relating to population statistics. The discussions can be cross referenced. I wish to encourage you, as you may have access to official sources of information for example in local public records that have not been fully digitalised and be motivated to complete a timeline of the decisions with regard to the distinction between small statistical areas, settlements, towns, cities, metropolitan area and suburbs. It is possible in such disagreements to selectively quote and get confused by the different uses such words have in international English where wikipedia has an international audience. For example one party to the dispute selectively quoted Te Ara as commonly regarding Ngongotahā as a suburb, when another article in this has currently lead wording calling Ngongotahā a Town (Te Ara:Page 1. Ngongotahā and district) which it was at one stage at least. Sometimes it is necessary due to such issues to add a note in the article where multiple sources disagree and the authors concerned have had to do their own research on a topic.(see template:efn) Such may turn out to be appropriate in this case ChaseKiwi (talk) 07:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply