109.252.188.39

About the article World War II casualties of the Soviet Union

Hello. You have posted on my talk page about your edits to the above article. My talk page is not the place to deal with those issues. I am just an administrator who protected the talk page because of edit warring, but I have nothing to do with the article's content. You need to post on the article's talk page. Explain why you believe your material should be included in the article. You need to engage the other users in serious discussion. If you and the other editors there cannot reach agreement, here are some suggestions for how to resolve the dispute. What you should NOT do is keep putting the material back into the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

May 2022

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Dear Blaze Wolf,

MelanieN has proposed that I ad to the Talk page my future contributions to the Article World War II casualties of the Soviet Union. That is what I am doing. Russian generals still think, we are not supposed to know the true military losses of the Soviet Union. The cornerstone of the Article is an extremely fraudulent book by general Krivosheev. He and ADK demographers have done their best to hide tremendous military losses in those of peaceful population. Two paragraphs I have added under the most reliable Soviet sources should disavow all this crap. Въ 109.252.188.39 (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

No she said discuss content and sourcing on the article talk page, seeking agreement from other editors concerning your proposed changes. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Dear Deepfriedokra,

I have done what MelanieN requires. The three posts of mine to the article World War II casualties of the Soviet Union have been unchallenged in the Talk Page by anyone for more than one month. I added them to the Article yesterday just to find them removed by Mordencarfan without any reasons enclosed safe for a five-year-old argument of pov push by an obvious Kremlinbot Woogie10w.

The reasons he safeguards defrauded data by Russian General Krivosheev, as he describes, is that the Western historians like them and do not want to be disillusioned.

That sounds like an order to the science of history not to develop.

Two of my yesterday posts have nothing to do with the condemned (by Woogie10w) table. And the third post (a table) is not identical to that condemned by Woogie10w 5 years ago. It has been published on a respectable Russian scientific site Демоскоп Weekly regarded as a reliable source.

Kindly save my contribution from vandalic censorship. Let the editors discuss the content and produce sound arguments first.

Kind Regards,

Vladimir, a Russian historian and journalist Въ 109.252.78.57 (talk) 11:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

How 56,9 percent Mortality Rate in Red Army Became Known

“You are not supposed to know these figures”, said in a live talk show of Vladimir Pozner “Времена” ("Times") President of the Academy of Military Sciences General of the Army M.A. Gareev, defending Krivosheev’s casualties figures. That means, dear EnWiki readers, that you are also being deprived of true figures as those of the present Russian military losses in the Ukraine. After destruction of personal files of soldiers and warent officers in 1953 all military losses became mere assumptions, except those of Communist Party and Komsomol members. Their files are still intact in The Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History (RGASPI). Also undisputable is the total death toll of 26.6 million. As for the full strength of the Red Army in WWII, the new number of conscripts has been revealed by Igor Ivlev. It is 40,656,993. This enables us to learn total military losses almost exactly.

Category/Total Strength of Both	By June 22, 1941	Conscripted	Admitted to Party while in Service	Admitted to Party from Komsomol	Retired from Komsomol due to Age	Invalids Сommissioned	Stayed in Service	Dеad or Missing	Sources and Estimates
Communists 8,063,000	563,000*	1,500,000**	6,000,000***	—	—	2,345,000*****	1,579,000*****	4,139,000 (dead, missing, deserters, other causes)	*ЭВОВ-352, **СОВОВ-955, ***СОВОВ-956, ****"ВОВ Сов. Союза 1941-45 гг.", М.: Воениздат, 1965, с. 589, *****ЭВОВ-360
Komsomol Members 8,230,542	2,000,000*	3,500,000*	5,000,000**	1,769,458***	500,000****	2,374,000*****	726,000*****	5,130,542 (dead, missing, deserters, other causes)	*СВЭ-2-401, ЭВОВ-186, **СВЭ-2-401, ЭВОВ-187, ***СВЭ-2-401, ИВОВ-6-367,******"Великая победа советского народа 1941-1945", М.: Наука, 1976, с. 124
Communists and Komsomol Members 16,293,542	2,563,000	5,000,000	11,000,000	—	—	4,408,000*****	2,305,000*****	9,269,542 (Combined Losses in Both Categories or 56,9 percent of All Conscripted)	****Estimates by I. Ivlev according to the number of Komsomol members in the Red Army born in 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, *****Estimates by I. Ivlev from the number of invalids (11,000,000) according to the share of both categories in the Soviet Armed Forces

Abbreviations: ЭВОВ — энциклопедия "Великая Отечественная война 1941-45 гг.", М.: Советская энциклопедия, 1985 г.; ИВОВ - "История Великой Отечественной войны Советского Союза. 1941-1945", М.: Воениздат, 1961-65 гг.; СОВОВ — "Стратегический очерк Великой Отечественной войны 1941-1945 гг.", М.: Воениздат, 1961.

This mortality rate makes the total Soviet military losses 23,133,829 under Ivlev's recent calculations of all conscripts of 40,656,993 after investigating all the Memory Books. All figures are from the most reliable Soviet sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.188.39 (talk • contribs) in March 2022

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