User:Sphilbrick/Lawrence Solomon article dispute of July 8-10

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  • Time and date sorting fixed
  • Last entry in error - AQFK to check why fixed
  • No proofing done yet
  • Need to distinguish article from talk done
  • I pared out many entries that obscured the ongoing edit war -- for review, revert if desired Minor4th • talk 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


Legend: In edit location column "Article" means Lawrence Solomon "Talk" means Talk:Lawrence Solomon

Link Time Editor Edit location Details
[1] 40367.690277777816:34, July 8, 2010 User:William M. Connolley Article User:William M. Connolley removes "environmentalist" with edit summary "env isn't an occupation. and rm env from the text, per talk"
[2] 40367.690972222216:35, July 8, 2010 User:William M. Connolley Talk User:William M. Connolley replies "I don't really care about the dispute tag. But I've removed "env", per the discussion above. Hopefully at some point User:ATren will find the time to read and answer it"
[3] 40367.694444444416:40, July 8, 2010 User:Marknutley Article User:Marknutley re-adds "environmentalist" with edit summary "rv of course enviro can be an ocupation, and he is an enviro per talk"
[4] 40367.695138888916:41, July 8, 2010 User:Marknutley Talk User:Marknutley replies "Reverted you per the discussion above, and all the sources presented"
[5] 40367.770138888918:29, July 8, 2010 User:Viriditas Article User:Viriditas reverts with edit summary "Reverted to revision 372467256 by User:William M. Connolley; Environmentalism is not an occupation. (TW)"
[6] 40367.788194444418:55, July 8, 2010 User:Cla68 Article User:Cla68 restores "environmentalist" with edit summary "According to the sources, he is an environmentalist even if it isn't, arguably, an occupation"
[7] 40368.349305555608:23, July 9, 2010 User:ATren Talk User:ATren replies "WMC, you've completely ignored my points above. If Mark hadn't reverted I would have. As I've said I read the sections and there is no good argument for removing the label."
[8] 40368.372222222208:56, July 9, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite edits article with edit summary "Splitting baby in half."
[9] 40368.373611111108:58, July 9, 2010 User:Hipocrite Talk User:Hipocrite replies "Free-market environmentalist describes his position completely - I found a ref, off his own site, that describes him as such - [10] - in the section "Setting Up Fronts", "As pointed out by the free-market environmentalist Larry Solomon of Energy Probe, the "Boreal Conservation Framework" actually amounts to a massive resource giveaway requiring government subsidies, as industrial development in the far northern boreal forest is currently uneconomic under market conditions." I hope this resolves this once and for-all. "
[11] 40368.684722222216:26, July 9, 2010 User:Cla68 Article User:Cla68 adds "and environmental activist" with edit summary "environmental activist, per talk page" (a compromise edit)
[12] 40368.792361111119:01, July 9, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite adds "free-market" with edit summary "more free-market" (no corresponding talk page support)
[13] 40368.797916666719:09, July 9, 2010 User:Marknutley Article User:Marknutley reverts with edit summary "rv User:Hipocrite, that just looks silly in the info box, it is already in the lede anyway" (no talk page support)
[14] 40368.812519:30, July 9, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite removes "environmental" with edit summary "Rm environmental - it's already in the lede and it looks silly here"
[15] 40368.816666666719:36, July 9, 2010 User:A Quest For Knowledge Article User:A Quest For Knowledge reverts with edit summary ""environmental activist" is fine"
[16] 40368.817361111119:37, July 9, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite reverts with edit summary "rv back to "Free market" which is also fine"
[17] 40368.853472222220:29, July 9, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren reverts with edit summary "rv "free-market" - see talk"
[18] 40368.858333333320:36, July 9, 2010 User:ATren Talk User:ATren starts new discussion: "I have reverted "free market environmentalist" back to the unadorned environmentalist for two reasons:* I emailed Lawrence Solomon about the free-market environmentalist label, and he has indicated that it does not describe him, and in fact, that it has been used pejoratively by left-leaning organizations.* the single source which calls him that (and only in passing, BTW) is a document hosted at probeinternational.com but which originally appeared in a magazine called Canadian Dimension. Canadian Dimension is "a Canadian leftist magazine". Being that I see no reliably sourced justification for the label other than a partisan magazine, and given that the BLP himself considers the term inaccurate and pejorative, the term is not appropriate and I have removed it. " Related: [19]
[20] 40369.119444444402:52, July 10, 2010 User:Verbal Article User:Verbal adds "disputed" tag.
[21] 40369.189583333304:33, July 10, 2010 User:Cla68 Article User:Cla68 changes "environmental activist" to "environmentalist" with edit summary "User:Guettarda objected to the term, so changed to generic term"
[22] 40369.212505:06, July 10, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite adds {{npov}} tag with edit summary "now fully pov - see talk)"
[23] 40369.247916666705:57, July 10, 2010 User:Hipocrite Article User:Hipocrite adds "Liberal commentators have described him as a "free-market environmentalist" with edit summary "Restoring the PoV that he's a free market environmentalist, ascribed only to the PoV holders."
[24] 40369.334027777808:01, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren with changes "Liberal commentators have" to "One source, writing in an magazine which strongly opposes free markets" with edit summary "Moved User:Hipocrite's non-notable and partisan "free-market" source into the reference list, and properly qualified it as coming from a an anti-free-market source."
[25] 40369.343055555608:14, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren changes source with edit summary "change the attribution to the original source, which is Canadian Dimension. The EP link is a reprint."
[26] 40369.3687508:51, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren adds new source with edit summary "add Wash Times source for environmentalist"
[27] 40369.37509:00, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren edits article with edit summary "add Financial Post bio and Solomon's own statement, as supporting material for the other sources"
[28] 40369.375694444409:01, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren minor edit, fix ref
[29] 40369.384027777809:13, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren removes "free-market" with edit summary "rv "free-market" - a single, obscure, partisan source calls him this, and only in passing. And LS himself considers it a pejorative. There is absolutely no justification for putting this in the lede; I have retained the note in the reference lis"
[30] 40369.384722222209:14, July 10, 2010 User:Verbal Article User:Verbal reverts with edit summary "Reverted to revision 372726762 by User:Hipocrite; please discuss these changes, such as removing tags. (TW)"
[31] 40369.388194444409:19, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren reverts with edit summary "rv User:Verbal per BLP exemption -- ONE SINGLE liberal commentator calls him that and LS himself calls it a pejorative. This is a clear BLP vio."
[32] 40369.389583333309:21, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren edits article with edit summary "removed the part about advocating market-based solutions. It was added by a new editor as his only edit, and it is completely unsupported in the reference."
[33] 40369.392361111109:25, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Talk User:ATren starts new discussion: "User:Verbal reverted a bunch of my edits, and in the process, he included the free-market environmentalist label in the lede, which is cited to a single person writing for an obscure liberal Canadian Magazine. This is clearly not notable and given LS's own indication that he considers it a pejorative, it is a BLP violation to include it. In my version (which User:Verbal reverted) I included the "free-market environmental" claim with its source in the references section, but it does NOT belong in the lede. I have cited BLP exemption in my revert."
[34] 40369.395138888909:29, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren restores {{disputed}} and {{npov}} tags with edit summary "restored tags -- I didn't intend to remove them, and in fact I lost some of my other changes in one of my edits."
[35] 40369.402083333309:39, July 10, 2010 User:ATren Article User:ATren changes "environmental activist" to "environmentalist" with edit summary "restore accidentally deleted material"
[36] 40369.416666666710:00, July 10, 2010 User:2over0 Article User:2over0 protects article with edit summary "Protected Lawrence Solomon: Edit warring / Content dispute: According to the protection log, this issue was discussed in January ... ([edit=sysop] (expires 15:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)) [move=sysop] (expires 15:00, 17 July 2010 ()" Marked as minor.