Hey RAKS.... I just read about what u said about veenu nairs....and before i frget, i have a new id now Manu is my new id. So post there. Thanks..ya abt the veenu nairs, well no idea but what u said made sense...it so happens that we are descended from an unnithan who became brashthu by the touch of a marar....so we got a status in between...we became panickers and pillais...