RFC on NFCC edit



* A Brief History of NFCC
* NFCC began life as a post by User:Rossrs on September 24, 2005 Link
* It became policy on January 5 2006 , originally called WP:FUC Link
* It was changed to NFCC on April 22, 2007 Link






Non-Exhaustive list of NFCC troubles -- Caution It's pretty big
Examples of Confusion / Arguments about NFCC Links
NFCC called "Subjective" by an Admin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive394#Decorative_non-free_conten
Found to be Confusing by this particular user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive684#Enforcement_of_non-free_content_policy
Users quit over NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive299#Linda_Hamilton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive272#Ongoing_problems_with_User:Cjmarsicano_and_WP:NFCC
Edit War Caused by a misunderstanding of NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive215#User:Werieth_reported_by_User:Expatkiwi_.28Result:_Declined.29
This user was blocked indefinetly due to NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive799#Repeated_Personal_attacks
NFCC causes confusion among Wikipedia users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive551#Use_of_:File:NLW-LAD-Logo.png_violating_WP:NFCC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive323#BetacommandBot_running_riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive689#Am_I_being_treated_fairly.3F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive355#Fasach_Nua.C2.A0.28talk.C2.A0.C2.B7_contribs.29
NFCC causes confusion and arguments with users and those attempting to enforce NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive192#User:Fasach_Nua_continual_unexplained_image_removals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive455#Possibly_disruptive_image_tagging
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive152#Non-free_images_in_.22List_Of.22_articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive158#User:.CE.94_reported_by_User:Jpatokal_.28Result:_stale.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive658#User:J_Milburn_and_Pink_Floyd_articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive96#Advise_requested_on_User:BetacommandBot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive539#Deletion_nominations_of_images_valid_within_articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive490#Problems_with_replaceable_image_Image:Albertfish-full.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive387#Image:Techcrunch-transparent-photshop.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive567#Problems_with_University_of_Pittsburgh_article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive588#User:_BQZip01
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive410#Edit_war_NOW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive382#Image:AnonymousDemotivator.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive471#User:Ed_Fitzgerald_revert-warring_over_non-free_images
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive494#WGN-TV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive640#Radagast3_blocked_for_reverting_copyvio_removal
Causes Arguments in general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive340#Edit_warring_over_removal_of_fair_use_images
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive717#User:Buffs_refusing_to_stop_posting_to_my_talk_page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive571#User:Hammersoft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive703#User:Delta_and_Nicaraguan_c.C3.B3rdoba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive147#User:.CE.94_and_User:Pdfpdf_reported_by_User:Lerdthenerd_.28Result:_No_action_for_now.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive162#User:.CE.94_reported_by_User:FleetCommand_.28Result:_Both_editors_blocked_for_24_hours.29
Causes arguments among administrators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive692#User:Bahamut0013_using_admin_tools_as_an_involved_user
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive585#Admin:Rama_ignoring_previous_consensus.2C_refusing_to_gain_new_consensus
Causes arguments on the interpretation of NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive158#User:.CE.94_reported_by_User:86.162.117.177_.28Result:_article_protected.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive226#Museum_of_Modern_Art
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive516#Commemorative_Coin_Controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive86#Black_Kite_reported_by_2008Olympian_.28Result:_protected_User:2008Olympian_warned.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive157#User:86.186.32.97_reported_by_.CE.94T_The_only_constant_.28Result:_stale_.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive789#Revert_war.2C_block.2Funblock.2C_and_all_sorts_of_mess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive470#User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise.3B_inappropriate_deletions.3F
Even the admins have trouble interpreting NFCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive327#BetacommandBot_blocked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive586#User:Rama_-_still_trying_to_delete_that_image
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive560#Bungie_dispute




NFCC is by far our most stringent, and our least understood policy. As a result:

* It's been the source of confusion not once, but at least twice even when enforced correctly

* It's fostered misunderstandings

* Users have quit over misunderstandings of this policy

* It has caused arguments among Admins , and not just once either .

* Those who sought to enforce it were sometimes subject to confusion about the correct interpretation of NFCC, as well as abuse from those that were themselves confused about NFCC. Admittedly, some were users that decided they weren't going to follow NFCC even when it was patiently explained to them, fortunately, they constituted a minority of users on Wikipedia. The majority of the users, those that wanted to follow the policy, all had the same problem, or a variation on the same problem, understanding or interpreting the current NFCC policy.

To correct that problem, and ensure more good will in this area (not to mention, less hassle for both the users submitting an image, and the users and admins enforcing NFCC), I'd like to propose that the text that makes up the rules of WP:NFCC be made simpler, easier to understand. With that change, it would be easier to enforce (as it wouldn't be left up to individual interpretation of rules, due to the vagueness about what each particular rule might mean , but rather, NFCC would be a set of simple,concrete rules) thus, easier to read, easier to understand and easier to enforce (less abuse heaped upon the admin and non-admins who choose to enforce NFCC rules ). I understand that no matter what change is made, we're not going to stop those few users that want to ignore NFCC, but at the very least, those users would be in the minority, and the abuse to both admins and users that actually enforce NFCC would be limited to those who just want to ignore NFCC. To that end, I would like to discuss a set of changes to be made to NFCC. Text in italic would be a proposed change in wording .



Proposed Changes edit



Criteria 1 - No Free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available. As a quick test before adding any non-free content, ask yourself "Can this non-free content be replaced by a free version" ? and "Could the non-free content be described with text alone"? If the answer to either is yes, the non-free content does not meet this criteria.

Criteria 2 - Since Criteria 3 appears to amplify criteria 2, a merge would be suggested creating something like:

2. Respect for commercial opportunities. Non-free content is not used in a manner that is likely to replace the original copyrighted media , this is defined as  :

a. Minimal usage. One item of non-free content may be used if that one item can convey significant information about that article.
b. Minimal extent of use An entire image is not to be used if a piece of that image (or a cropped image) will work. That image should be low resolution (especially when the original could be used for deliberate copyright infringement).

Criteria 3. (formerly Criteria 4) - No Change - it's fine as is.

Criteria 4. (formerly Criteria 5) - Non-free content meets general Wikipedia content standards. (Strike "and is encyclopedic" as this would be a matter of interpretation )

Criteria 5. (formerly Criteria 6) - No Change

Criteria 6. (formerly Criteria 7) - No Change

Criteria 7. (formerly Criteria 8) - Strike it because it's already stated implicitly in Criteria 2. (both "a" and "b" ) .

Criteria 8. (formerly Criteria 9) - Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed in articles only.

Criteria 9. (formerly Criteria 10) - No Change

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