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This is a sandbox/clean slate area I'm using to work on for sections that should immediately follow the History section of Men's Rights Movement. I am using both Men's Movement and Men's Rights Movement as a basis for sources to examine and for the initial points to include in the structure. The general structure and general talking points to cover that seem to provide coverage are included below. It is basically an outline at this point and is extremely fluid as I familiarize myself with the topic as described in existing sources. When in bullet-point list form, it is expected to be indefensible, merely listing common themes. Once in paragraph form, all statements should be fully sourced with relevant page/pages from the source so the context that was used is easily identifiable.

Once the sourced, paragraph style form is completed for each section, movement into the article will be proposed (either via talk page or a WP:BOLD edit) so that it can be used as a solid starting point to improve the article.

General Structure, points pulled from Men's Movement and Men's Rights Movement edit

General Views and Beliefs edit

  • Men's roles are harmful and limiting to men[1]: 11 [2]: 420 [3]: 355 [4]: 262 
  • Masculinity comes with prescribed roles that are harmful to men[5]: 261–263, 265, 268–270 [3]: 355 [4]: 262 
  • Rejection of the existence of societal based empowerment and privilege for men (some assert women are now more privileged, others assert women and men have different privileges)[1]: 11 [5]: 265, 266 [2]: 420 [4]: 262 
  • Men are objectified as often as women, but as "success objects"[5]: 261–263 [4]: 262 
  • Rejection of (portions?) of Feminist Theory, such as the notion that men as a class are empowered at the expense of women in a patriarchy and institutionalized privilege of men.[1]: 11–12 [5]: 266, 268–270 [2]: 420 [4]: 262 

Issues and concerns of the Men's Rights Movement edit

  • Neglect of male issues and structural oppression of men (suicide/mental health, prison, addiction, homelessness, dropping grades/lower university attendance)[4]: 262 
  • Women's role/Men as victims of domestic violence minimized or ignored by mainstream society, law enforcement, etc.[1]: 11–12 [5]: 266, 267 [4]: 262 
  • Discrimination against men in family courts (alimony/child support/etc.)[1]: 11–12 [5]: 266, 267–268 [6]: 134–135 [3]: 355 [4]: 262 
  • false claims of domestic violence/sexual assault/child abuse[3]: 355 [4]: 273 
  • Adoption (disparity for unwed men vs. unwed women attempting to adopt)
  • Military conscription[5]: 266 
  • Paternity fraud/reproductive rights[3]: 355 

Relationship to feminism edit

Men's Rights Movement perspective edit

  • Countermovement/anti-feminism[1]: 11 [5]: 266, 267, 268–270 [6]: 134 [2]: 420 [3]: 355 
  • Rejects feminism's assertion that all men are privileged[1]: 11 [5]: 265, 266, 267 [2]: 420 
  • Rejects feminist theory as to the current cause of disparity in rights and privileges[5]: 268–270 [4]: 262 
  • Does not believe that feminism is addressing the issues/concerns of men[5]: 268–270 [2]: 420 [4]: 262 
  • Does not consider itself to be anti-women, only pro-men (need a source that explicitly covers this, some portions believe that women are more advantaged than men and hold the real power, so wouldn't that necessarily mean that some privileges need to be removed, which would be taken as anti-women?)[5]: 268–270 

Feminism perspective edit

  • Blinded by privilege/expected for privileged to get unhappy about losing privilege
  • Rejecting the theories of feminism is intrinsically anti-women
  • Adopted same rhetoric and language as feminism to look less bad/win appeal
  • Is misogyny disguised as equality
  • Overstates rates of issues occurring/damaging effects of them/cites flawed studies in the interest of making issues seem more prevalent.
  • Support the patriarchy rather than condemn it.

Criticisms of the Men's Rights Movement (non-feminism related) edit

  • SPLC labelled as a misogynist organization.
  • others?

Useful citations found in Men's Movement and Men's Rights Movement edit

Fully studied/easily navigable/I have access to edit

Clatterbaugh, Kenneth. Contemporary Perspectives on Masculinity[1] covers general/high level views of the Men's Rights Movement, their perspective on the women's movement and masculinity's harm towards men.

Messner, Michael. The Limits of the "Male Sex Role"[5] covers a wide variety of topics from the views held by the Men's Rights Movement, it's history and origins and investigation into many of these views. This needs to be broken down further for which pages cover which particular aspects.

  • History, overview and relation to men's liberation and profeminist men's movement[5]: 255–257 
  • Sex role theory, historical background, analysis and explaination[5]: 257–265 
    • Men's Libration/beginnings of Men's Rights Movement/male role damaging/men as success objects[5]: 261–263 
    • Feminist's skepticism of Men's Libration[5]: 264–265 
  • Cost of masculinity on men, Goldberg says male privilege is a myth[5]: 265 
  • Feminism was a plot to cover up that women actually have power and men are oppressed, lower life span/health problems/military conscription/divorce laws/custody laws used as evidence, men were the true victims of "prostitution, pornography, dating rituals, sexist media conventions, divorce settlements, false rape accusations, sexual harassment, and even domestic violence".[5]: 266 
  • Spousal violence, feminist/men's shame as a cover-up of massive number of abused men.[5]: 267 
  • Father's rights, adopted feminist rhetoric[5]: 267–268 
  • Anti-feminism/backlash, men's rights not pushing to a return to patriarchy or traditional masculinity, men's rights critical of masculinities trappings, limitations and harmful to men, do not see feminism as a way to accomplish this, narrow male sex role results in costs to men.[5]: 268–270 
  • Pro-feminist men's movement coverage[5]: 270–271 
  • Conclusion (discussion of sex role theory, very little direct mention of the Men's Rights Movement)[5]: 271–273 

Messner, Michael. Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements, 'The Limits of "The Male Sex Role"'[7] contains selections from the full 'The Limits of "The Male Sex Role"' published in Gender & Society (see other source info) and may contain similar content. A comparison between the two has not been finished, so preference should be given to the full article.

Williams, Rhys. Constructing the Public Good: Social Movements and Cultural Resources[6] covers views, beliefs, some issues and the framing of those items of the Men's Rights Movement and association to feminism. Useful for supporting statements by other sources, some parts easily stand alone, also useful for finding other reliable sources (those that are quoted or cited in the article may contain useful information).

Flood, Michael. International Encyclopedia of Men and Masculinities, Men's Movements [2] provides a general overview of the different Men's Movements, including the Men's Rights Movement. Very small overview of the Men's Rights Movement specifically. Page 21 also covers the Men's Rights Movement in brief in the last paragraph.

Cahill, Charlotte. Culture Wars: An Encyclopedia of Issues, Viewpoints, and Voices, Men's Movement [3] has a general overview of each of the Men's Movements on pages 354-356, with the coverage spanning ~2 paragraphs.

Flood, Michael. Backlash: Angry men's movements [4].

Sources I don't have access to (do not use unless an excerpt of the appropriate sections are provided by someone else) edit

Fluid list, add here as I get to a source but do not have access.

Wishard, RW. Men's rights: a handbook for the 80's.[8]

Newton, Judith Lowder. From Pathners To Promise Keepers: Rethinking the Men's Movement[9]. Google books only has selected pages, but the .com (rather than .ca) version available here has a few extra pages available.

Coltrane. Hickman, Neal. The Rhetoric of Rights and Needs: Moral Discourse in the Reform of Child Custody and Child Support Laws[10]

Kimmel, Michael. Men's Responses to Feminism at the Turn of the Century[11].

Williams, Gwyneth. Williams, Rhys H. Typifying Contemporary Social Problems [12]. I only have partial access via google books, and that only shows page 201 (not page 202 as cited). Contains some info, but again, the section is exceedingly small.

Lingard, Bill. Mills, Martin. Interrogating recuperative masculinity politics in schooling [13]. Contains an excerpt in the citation which provides opinion only, my assumption is that the full text goes into more detail.

Sources I have access to but haven't studied yet edit

Fluid list, typically should have only one or two I'm in the progress of studying or is up next unless it is an extensive source and would take a significant amount of time to fully cover.

Maddison, Sarah. Private Men, Public Anger: The Men's Rights Movement in Australia [14] provides a "feminist analysis of the processes of men's rights collective identity". Have been through this source twice now, there are a LOT of topics and points covered in the analysis, although primarily along family/divorce law. It needs more time for study and to break out the individual points covered. It is also useful outside of just the feminist viewpoint on the Men's Rights Movement.

Doyle, Ciara. The Fathers' Rights Movement: Extending Patriarchal Control Beyond the Marital Family [15] appears to cover the Fathers' Rights Movement almost exclusively, with a 3 sentence coverage of the Men's Rights Movement on p. 61 and a brief mention on p. 62.

Whitaker, Stephen. Gender Mosaics: Social Perspectives, Gender Politics in Men's Movements[16].

Francis, Becky. Skelton, Christine. Reassessing gender and achievement: questioning contemporary key debates[17].

Boyd, Stephen Blake. Longwood, W. Merle. Redeeming men: religion and masculinities[18]

Lists of potential sources edit

Flood, Michael. Excerpted from 'The Men’s Bibliography: A comprehensive bibliography of writing on men, masculinities, gender, and sexualities' available here.

Sources which barely have mention of Men's Rights/not directly associated with the topic edit

Flood, Michael. Men's Collective Struggles for Gender Justice [19] contains only passing mention of the Men's Rights Movement (or any particular Men's Movement in general, the topic is about men being involved with activism against violence) only on page 458. It may be used for supporting it as a backlash/countermovement/patriarchy enforcing source, but no further analysis appears to be done. (I updated the url to point to a PDF provided by Flood at http://www.xyonline.net/content/men%E2%80%99s-collective-struggles-gender-justice-case-anti-violence-activism-0.

References edit

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h Clatterbaugh, Kenneth (1997). Contemporary Perspectives on Masculinity (PDF). WestviewPress. pp. 11–14. ISBN 0-8133-2700-8.
  2. ^ a b c d e f g Flood, Michael (2007). International Encyclopedia of Men and Masculinities (PDF). pp. 21, 420–421.
  3. ^ a b c d e f g Cahill, Charlotte (2010). "Men's movement". In Chapman, Roger (ed.). Culture Wars: An Encyclopedia of Issues, Viewpoints, and Voices. Armonk: M.E. Sharpe. pp. 354–356. ISBN 978-1-84972-713-6.
  4. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Flood, Michael (7 July 2004). "Backlash: Angry men's movements". In Stacey Elin Rossi (ed.). The Battle and Backlash Rage on (PDF). Xlibris Corporation. ISBN 978-1-4134-5934-0. Retrieved 29 December 2011.
  5. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x Messner, Michael A. (1998). "The Limits of the "Male Sex Role": An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movement's Discourse". Gender & Society. 12 (3): 255–276. doi:10.1177/0891243298012003002. S2CID 143890298.
  6. ^ a b c Williams, Rhys H. (1995). "Constructing the Public Good: Social Movements and Cultural Resources". Social Problems. 42 (1). University of California Press: 134–135. doi:10.2307/3097008. JSTOR 3097008. Retrieved March 4, 2013.
  7. ^ Messner, Michael (1997). Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements. AltaMira Press. pp. 36–48. ISBN 0-8039-5576-6.
  8. ^ Wishard, RW (1980). Men's rights: a handbook for the 80's. Cragmont Publications. ISBN 978-0-89666-012-0. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  9. ^ Newton 2004, p. 190-200.
  10. ^ Coltrane, Coltrane; Hickman, Neal (1992). "The Rhetoric of Rights and Needs: Moral Discourse in the Reform of Child Custody and Child Support Laws". Social Problems. 39 (4). University of California Press: 400–420. doi:10.2307/3097018. JSTOR 3097018.
  11. ^ Kimmel, Michael S. (1987). "Men's Responses to Feminism at the Turn of the Century". Gender & Society. 1 (3): 261–283. doi:10.1177/089124387001003003. S2CID 145428652.
  12. ^ Williams, Gwyneth I.; Williams, Rhys H (1995). ""All We Want Is Equality": Rhetorical Framing in the Fathers' Rights Movement". In Best, Joel (ed.). Images of Issues: Typifying Contemporary Social Problems (2nd ed.). New York: A. De Gruyter. pp. 201–202. ISBN 978-0-202-30539-4.
  13. ^ Lingard, Bob; Mills, Martin; Weaver-Hightower, Marcus B (2012). "Interrogating recuperative masculinity politics in schooling". International Journal of Inclusive Education. 16 (4): 407–421. doi:10.1080/13603116.2011.555095. S2CID 144275951. The concept of recuperative masculinity politics was developed by Lingard and Douglas (1999) to refer to both mythopoetic (Biddulph 1995, 2010; Bly 1990) and men's rights politics (Farrell 1993). Both of these rejected the move to a more equal gender order and more equal gender regimes in all of the major institutions of society (e.g. the family, schools, universities, workplaces) sought by feminists and most evident in the political and policy impacts in the 1980s and 1990s from second-wave feminism of the 1970s. 'Recuperative' was used to specifically indicate the ways in which these politics reinforced, defended and wished to recoup the patriarchal gender order and institutional gender regimes.
  14. ^ Maddison, Sarah (1999). "Private Men, Public Anger: The Men's Rights Movement in Australia" (PDF). Journal of Interdisciplinary Gender Studies. 4 (2): 39–52.
  15. ^ Doyle, Ciara (2004). "The Fathers' Rights Movement: Extending Patriarchal Control Beyond the Marital Family". In Herrman, Peter (ed.). Citizenship Revisited: Threats or Opportunities of Shifting Boundaries. New York: Nova Publishers. pp. 61–62. ISBN 978-1-59033-900-8.
  16. ^ Whitaker, Stephen (2001). "Gender Politics in Men's Movements" (PDF). In Vannoy, Dana (ed.). Gender Mosaics: Social Perspectives. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 343–351. ISBN 978-0-19-532998-8.
  17. ^ Becky Francis; Christine Skelton (27 September 2005). Reassessing gender and achievement: questioning contemporary key debates. Psychology Press. pp. 18–19, 141. ISBN 978-0-415-33324-5. Retrieved 26 December 2011.
  18. ^ Stephen Blake Boyd; W. Merle Longwood; Mark William Muesse (November 6, 1996). Redeeming men: religion and masculinities. Westminster John Knox Press. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-664-25544-2.
  19. ^ Flood, Michael (2005). "Men's Collective Struggles for Gender Justice: The Case of Antiviolence Activism" (PDF). In Kimmel, Michael S.; Hearn, Jeff; Connell, Raewyn (eds.). Handbook of Studies on Men and Masculinities. Thousand Oaks: SAGE Publications. p. 459. ISBN 978-0-7619-2369-5.
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