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Welsh Language Society edit

  • Name: Welsh Language Society → Cymdeithas yr Iaith
  • Reasoning: Change in common name used by independent, reliable, English-language secondary sources, per WP:COMMONNAME – Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) over the last 12 months. Note, COMMONNAME does not mean most popular name per Google Trends, as stated in WP:WIAN, but the COMMONNAME in sources. As stated in the supporting evidence below, the lead of WLS in Ngrams has drastically reduced, with Welsh forms sometimes taking the lead, and Google News Articles from the last 12 months show more use of the Welsh name. Manually searching shows many publications in the UK and Wales use the Welsh name first or not in parenthesis, while possibly using WLS secondly, in parenthesis or as a potential descriptor. International recent sources are scarce, while many use WLS, they discuss past events which per WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:WIAN shouldn't be given too much weight in terms of context.
  • Policy: WP:COMMONNAME
  • Result: Preference of new COMMONNAME in most independent, reliable, secondary English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME.
  • Status:   Done
Supporting evidence

Review period: September 2022–September 2023; only includes sources from this period.

Query: [1] [2]

Sources which use one name first or uses one in parenthesis are counted as preferring one name over the other. If WLS is used after CyI, it is classed as a potential descriptor, even if capitalised.

Italics: use different names in different articles; excluding publications using either Welsh name. Strikethrough: does not discuss strictly current (~10 yrs) events per WP:NAMECHANGES, such as using Constantinople when describing the medieval period. Underlined: Uses one name solely, no alternative present.

Sources using current name Welsh Language Society

Shropshire Star Washington Post (note: discusses 1970s) CNN (note: discusses the 1960s) The Guardian (1970s caption only) Morning Star ([3]) BBC News (note: discusses an 1996 event) BBC(note: discusses 1982 S4C launch)

Sources using both equally with a slash (/) or unmodified. Primary word order is interpreted as preference otherwise.

WalesOnline(uses a comma, hard to decide preference) The Guardian (uses dash) The Conversation (uses dash)

Sources using Welsh name Cymdeithas yr Iaith

Daily Post (North Wales) ([4][5][6][7][8]) The Guardian ([9]) TUC BBC News ([10][11][12][13]) Sky News ([14]) Nation.Cymru ([15][16][17][18][19][20]) Morning Star WalesOnline ([21][22]) ITV News Wales County Times Western Telegraph Welsh Parliament Cambrian News North Wales Chronicle Rhyl Journal North Wales Pioneer Herald.Wales

Sources using derivative Welsh name Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg (Cymraeg)

Morning Star ([23]) ITV News Wales Evening Standard Independent The National (Scotland) The Guardian ([24][25]) Nation.Cymru Daily Post (North Wales)([26][27]) WalesOnline ([28][29]) Sky News ([30]) Institute of Welsh Affairs (note: discusses S4C launch)

Other evidence:

  • Google Ngrams – WLS was preferred primarily in the past, but some recent years have CyI ahead. For 2019, combining the two forms of the Welsh Name, over takes the small 2019 lead of WLS.
  • Google News results – Sorting per the last year, "Cymdeithas yr Iaith" produced 10 pages of news results, while "Welsh Language Society" produces 6 pages. Note, including articles more than a year old does lean more towards WLS, but limiting to recent results (~12 months), there is a majority for the Welsh name.

✗ Fail – Proposal failed, avoid the argument of primacy, if the existing name is used in anyway, the argument is invalid. Although later opposition comments were borderline nonsense in regarding policy.

Celtic Dragons edit

See that talk page

Wrexham Glyndŵr University edit

The University formally announced in April, it would be dropping Glyndwr and undergoing a rebrand. It's website, Wrexham.ac.uk is now for the new name, previously being glyndwr.ac.uk. News sources, such as the recent controversy on a visiting professor, fully independent on the topic of the name change, are using the new name. These include, BBC News, Nation.Cymru[31], Daily Post, The Leader, WalesOnline. Other sources on other topics also use the new name, such as Business News Wales, and the local council. Therefore this should statisfy, WP:NAMECHANGES, Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. as multiple news sources after the name change routinely use the new name over the old. With the old name being absent in these sources.

North Wales Coast Line edit

  • Name: North Wales Coast Line → North Wales Main Line
  • Reasoning: Change in name used in multiple sources, per WP:COMMONNAME which states prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). WP:NAMECHANGES can somehow also apply per the 2012 discussion above stating the infrastructure operator Network Rail uses the term[32] if determined as the time of an (official) name change, and now many reliable secondary sources have since followed suit. Such use of the term "Main" over "Coast" was greatly apparent and increased following recent announcements, which overwhemingly used "Main" over the last 12 months. Google Trends also backs the change, although Google has issues per WP:WIAN, while there is not enough data for Ngrams and Google Search can be skewed by feeds and the game dlc. Prefer "Main Line" as separate words for consistency with West Coast Main Line and South Wales Main Line. Because of the sheer use of "Main" in the recent announcements, I raise this RM to at least test the waters, but some still use "Coast" and this can be skewed on recent events, but it was overwhemingly for "Main". Plus "Coast Line" can be confused for "coastline", but that is minor.
  • Policy: WP:NAMECHANGES
  • Result: Requested move
  • Status:   Done

Sources reviewed: Review period October 2022–October 2023 [33] [34] [35]

Sources using current name North Wales Coast Line: NWRAIL Railway Touring StatsWales TfW Blog Deeside.com Nation.Cymru[36] Rail Business Daily Visit Wales Travel Trade Birmingham Mail Rail Advent

Sources using alternative name North Wales Main Line or "North Wales Mainline": Daily Post[37][38] New Civil Engineer Rail Advent Leader Live[39][40] ITV News[41] Herald Wales Welsh Government NWTC[42] North Wales Pioneer[43] Bangor Aye UK Department for Transport[44] Wrexham.com BBC News[45][46] Deeside.com Wales Online Business Live Insider Media Rail Journal[47] The Guardian Rail Business Daily West Wales Chronicle Sky News Construction Enquirer iNews Cambrian News LBC Denbighshire Free Press Nation.Cymru Wales247 Wrexham.com

"Main Line" is preferred in this proposal for consistency with similarly named articles.

Other: Nation.Cymru ("north Wales main railway line") New Civil Engineer (both) Daily Post (both) Visit Wales ("North Wales Coast Railway")

While Transport for Wales Rail uses "Coast" on their Network Map it expands to Birmingham via Shrewsbury, so more descriptive of a service rather than the subject of this article. Nonetheless is only one source and a mere passenger operator rather than owner of the line.

Other stats:

  • Google Trends (do not rely on alone per WP:WIAN) There are searches for Main Line and almost none searched for Coast Line over the last 12 months.
  • Google Ngrams no data is found except for Coast Line, so no comparison can be made, plus only up to 2019.
  • Google Search not performed, skewed by unrelated news feeds (for now) and the dlc for Train Simulator Classic, and general use possibly based on Wikipedia's usage, while being discouraged for other names under WP:WIAN.

Snowdonia Marathon edit

Brought to existing RM;   Not approved; see Talk:Snowdonia Marathon#Requested move 28 October 2023

Review period July 2023 – October 2023 [48] [49] [50]

Sources using current name Snowdonia Marathon: Advnture.com

Sources using both: Wrexham.com

Sources using Welsh name Marathon Eryri or Eryri Marathon: Welsh Athletics Run Britain Wales Online North Wales Road Runners Club Chester Standard Cardiff Half Marathon Penarth and Dinas Runners

Other:

  • Google Trends as an indicator, there was no clear commonname search over the last 90 days on Google Trends. Snowdonia Marathon had the most, but only a few searches more than Marathon Eryri, considering the very low search volumes.
  • Google News (July to October 2023) - Marathon Eryri 2-4 news articles, Snowdonia Marathon full of index pages so hard to decipher, but only saw 2 or 3 actual news articles (but they referred to the past or a quote), Snowdonia Marathon Eryri none.
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