PRO/CON edit
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Its time to stop the childishness without criminalizing the idiosyncratic styles of this new generation of WikiEditors...
Reflects on thje common everyday editors of wikiworld...
We kowtow to controversial behavior while a treasure trove of creative works awaits.
while we waste our time with drivel.
To throw up our hands in defeat to on-line swearing is to show a lack of faith in the intelligence and reason of Wikipedia Editors.
...a Diverse culture of creative works...to help relieve.....indicated for the treatment of the dis-ease.
feeling no pressue to dumb down my conversation...
...to spend extensive time as a referee....DEf:proffer.....DEf:adjunct
...without the interferance
...garners better results...
...by developing a deeper understanding of _______________.
weakens wikipedia rathwer than strenghtens it..
Mutual respect, give and take, civility and candor DEF:
Unique culture of independance...
A one-on-one relationship
to help manage a steady course toward FA...
Making New Choices edit
....staying focused on article editing..
We not me...individual, selfish, ...the private lives of ordinary people......
You don't get the opportunity to be part of the potential_________
With their finger on the pulse of an ever-changing Wiki.
Commitment...Admins...should NOT be questionable> But their swearing raises doubts as to what is really important....a PowerPlay...embrace a disciplined process of character, and act as guides......
AWW...Our choice of words is a channel. When we write we exclude everything else, no matter how interesting, that does not seem to bear on thwe topic.
User talk:Georgewilliamherbert around mid feb 2009
Sensitivity Training edit
"de-couple" as a train
"i would like to have dialogue with you.
When you come in defending your RIGHT to swear then that is what we talk about"
"Why do you believe that (to be true)"?
DAG Acronym/Dignity/Adult (behavior)/Goodwill edit
- ...Dignity is required in this process
- …Engender goodwill and approval, not the opposite
- …you mis-characterize yourself
- …Establish A PERIMETER OF PROPRIETY
- ...Now that you’re an adult in an adult social environment
- ...There is no good argument to the contrary.
PROVOCATIVE edit
Chosen to shock...pushes the envelope...
inflammitory....undermines....
AWW...Eugene Jarecki...worrisome disfiguring....predisposition to corruption....antithecal to liberty....a tangled web of corruption...back on corse...
AWW....Marginalizes the user...Illusionary sense of POWER....the cost?...
AWW....a serious examination of the implications and complications of swearing
Language edit
Most of the following prose is taken almost directly from various pages in: American English in its Cultural Setting, by DH Lloyd and HR Warfel, 1956. with very little change. I offer it only as an addendum to the above, to be incorporated, if possible, as time goes on. For the most part, italics indicate my, Buster7.s thoughts on the matter....
- Language is the instrument we use to communicate. Words (and our choice of which ones we use)____________.
- Language is a channel through which messages flow with the least friction and the most significance.
- Language is the clear, clean, adequate conveyance of meaning. Language carries what we mean.
- ...with conscious control of their effect on the people we address.
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- In writing, we don't just "blurt" it out like we may do in speaking. Writing is a decisive act. Decisions are made on the words we choose and their meanings and the effect we wish to accomplish. Swearing by editors to make a point or give emphasis. But swearing brings with it its negative connectors and responses and the conversationtakes a drastic turn downward.
AMEr Way of War...Language is the prime vehicle of our conduct as members of a human society.
Writing edit
- Reading and writing are not a mystery anymore than proper civil behavior is a mystery.
- Writing is only a loose parallel to verbal speech.
- writing lacks "vocalizations'...
- no inflections--no shouting or whispering---no pitch or tempo...no rasping voice or volume
- no gestures...no body emphasizers...hand, head, body movement
- no musical score to tell the reader HOW TO READ ALOUD the prose.
- writing is a less effective transmission of what we mean...
- writing is the means by which men and women in human societies communicate with each other
- The persons whom we address (when we write) are not in our presence;they do not meet our eyes with theirs;
- they do not lean into the communication and "help" coax it into being; the do not talk over, alongwith, along side, at the same time, etc. Writing lacks the face-to-face immediacy (and intimacy) of conversation; it lacks the SUPPORT of our ACTUAL presence, the reinforcement of our vocal qualifiers and our gestures and our ability to hear and be heard with the help of our "hear-ers" (and "here-ers")
On page 70
- What we do will echo down the Halls of time
That certainly speaks to the Wikipedia experience. And confronts the need (and some might claim the obligation) of WikiEditors to work together. The subtle almost un-noticed drift into incivility is always so obvious when we observe it as bystanders but it is hard to resist when we are on the playfield.
- Civility at Wikipedia is no more a mystery than proper civil behavior in any social setting is a mystery. We deal with the written word, not the spoken word. The Editor has time to think, to use his social radar to make decisions. Writing is only a loose parallel to verbal speech. Lacking qualifiers, writing is a less effective transmission of what we mean. We don't blurt out writing like in a pool hall. We have time to think, to decide, to weight the result. We make use of words to convey what we mean in spite of the limitations. Rudeness, vulgarity, disrespect, etc. toward another editor should be rare in this environment. We don't except grafitti on the garage door. Is incivility really any different? Editors should be persuaded that defamatory actions don't work. They may achieve Momentary Power but it's just a waste of time.--Buster7 (talk) 04:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)From Civility TALK
Civility edit
usually a single agressor
The growing focus on civility...
A devious tactic to entangle talk into bluster.
The attacks might be thwarted by not paying attention to them.
the attack is toward a lone individual (usually) but it lives forever and "attacks" others with its meanness for the rest of all time..
The Romani's edit
Language remains essential to them...the same custom and time honored traditions...."keeps our identity and never abandons our way of life...we pass along our stories and history and music by word of mouth alone" (wiki=written alone)
The ILS/Ig Nobel Prize Awards edit
- Literature: David Sims, for his study "You Bastard: A Narrative Exploration of the Experience of Indignation within Organizations".[1][2]
- ^ Sims, David (1 November 2005), "You Bastard: A Narrative Exploration of the Experience of Indignation within Organizations", Organization Studies, vol. 26, no. 11, pp. 1625–40, doi:10.1177/0170840605054625, retrieved 2008-10-03
- ^ Abrahams, Robin (16 May 2008), "Best. Paper. Ever.", The Boston Globe Magazine, Miss Conduct's Blog, P. Steven Ainsley, retrieved 2008-10-03