Template talk:WikiProject United States/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Fix to Ohio Wesleyan

I made a fix to the Ohio Wesleyan University project in the sandbox. Please implement. Kumioko (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Orlady (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

General approach to editing this template

The template is full-protected to prevent damage to a highly visible template by users who don't know what they are doing. Kumioko, who does know what he's doing, is understandably frustrated by this arrangement -- and has pointed out that the current arrangement prevents him from testing changes immediately after they are made. I propose that when he is ready to make a change, an administrator can temporarily reduce the protection level to semi-protection, then restore full protection when Kumioko confirms that he is done with his edits. --Orlady (talk) 02:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that is a pretty good suggestion under the circumstances but there are a couple problems that I see with it. Its a lot of work for someone to unprotect it and then reprotect it; it sets a precedent I'm not sure the number of admins we have could support if others want the same thing and it it goes back to the issue of why I can't just do it. Because regardless of my technical ability the community doesn't want me to have access to the admin toolset. So this really just sidesteps a larger issue that needs to be addressed which is allowing people to do things that need to be done without being admins such as edit protected templates. Tasks which I have been told repeatedly are not inherently administrative but yet only admins can do....so really they are administrative. What we need is an intermediate level editor between admin and regular editor. Someone who can edit templates, be a filemover, rollbacker, pull in more than 25000 articles to AWB, look at some of the maintenance reports that are only viewable to admins and maybe a couple others. And one that doesn't require an RFA to get or an Arbitration hearing to remove. But we all know that will never happen so the only way to do these tasks is to keep submitting an RFA and lobbying to fix the problem. Because I am not the only one with this problem, nor am I the only one who could make use of such access. So I truly do appreciate the suggestion and I appreciate that I am trusted enough to even suggest something like this, but I'm not sure if its the right thing to do. Kumioko (talk) 12:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Changing the protection level on a page is trivially easy (for someone with admin tools) -- less work than copying the contents from the sandbox to the template, and far less work than reading a talk-page essay like your last comment. I am willing to take responsibility (as an administrator) for reducing the protection level on this template in order to allow you to edit it, presuming you have provided valid reasons for your edits. I wouldn't want to permanently reduce the protection level because of the potential for seriously bad effects when a complex and widely used template like this one is edited by people who don't understand what they are doing. --Orlady (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Remove Automatically assessed logic

Please remove the automatically assessed logic from the individual projects. Most of the categories have already been deleted back in February 2013 and it is no longer used. These categories weren't very useful even when they were used and the bots that populated them haven't ran in more than a year. Please leave the logic for the Main project only so that I can work to cleanup the articles affected. Kumioko (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done. There have been no changes to the sandbox; rather, the request is for someone to figure out what is being requested (it's not clear), figure out the coding changes, and implement them. That's not a reasonable request.

Kumioko, a problem that I have with this template is that it is so complex that few mere mortals can edit it successfully. This means that the members of the WikiProjects that were incorporated into WP:US are dependent on you to resolve problems they may be having. Several times recently you have indicated that you don't want to take responsibility for coding revisions to this template because you lack the permissions to apply the revisions yourself, but you are putting the "supported projects" in a difficult position because there doesn't seem to be anyone else who both knows how to do this and is interested in trying.

If you are giving up on a functionality that was formerly supported, have you made the "supported projects" aware that this bot is no longer running, and have you advised them on how it affects the projects? If you are no longer interested in coding revisions to this template, is it time to advise the supported projects to delink themselves from WP:US (and to see about making the template changes to effect that delinking)? --Orlady (talk) 02:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

First, its not reasonable to make me do all the work and then have someone else implement it and jack up their "admin stats". If I am not trusted, then that's fine, I don't need to do it, if that means it doesn't get done then so be it.

As far as it being a complicated template that's true, it is a complex template but its not true that I don't want responsibility for making the changes. I'm not allowed too. There is a huge difference. Although I do test my changes, part of the problem is if I do make a mistake I then have to ask someone and wait anywhere from several hours to a week to make the change because I cannot simply do it. So its better to let someone with the access and the ability to make the change. That way if they need to do a followup edit to fix something they can. I'm also not the only one that can do it. Redrose and several others are better than I am with the logic but the are busy doing other things. But I'm not putting anyone in a difficult position, I have repeatedly asked to be able to make the changes myself and have been denied. Not much I can do about that.

The change needed is, to remove the Automatically assessed logic from the subbprojects. Nearly all of the fall under the first category. But it does require some time and precision. As for notifying the other projects, most wouldn't know what I was talking about. There are currently no bots doing WikiProject tagging because the operators that did them have been banned or have been run off the site. So now we have all these useless parameters that need to be cleaned up that never should have been added in the first place.

As far as delinking from the project, you and a dozen others have been pushing that agenda from day one. Frankly, I don't care anymore. I restarted the project to get people to work together and to try and support projects that either weren't being supported or didn't have enough support to do it themselves. Instead of wanting to work together to improve the project though I got bombarded by bad faith comments about how I was trying to take over the projects and made to be the bad guy when I was just trying to get people to work together. That's why I restarted the project, expanded them, cleaned them up, automated and standardized tasks and structure, etc. Thats why I created a newsletter every month and restartedd the collaboration of the month. All are massive failures because no one wants to work together. They all want to be the kings and queens of their swim lane and be nomads. So I honestly don't care at this point if all the projects split out. Then they can just go back into and inactive and defunct state because no one is supporting them again. But that is also going to require someone to recode the template to remove them and then retag all the articles. So if that's what you want to do go ahead. Kumioko (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed the logic from WikiProject FBI here as an example of what to do. Kumioko (talk) 11:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: It's fine to start a new thread here requesting someone write this code - that's a perfectly valid use of this talk page - but the {{edit protected}} template isn't supposed to be used to request that someone write your code for you, unless writing that code is trivial. Hey, if you ask me nicely on my talk page I might even work up the code for you, as I've looked at the code of this template enough times to know pretty much how it works. Starting a new edit request and saying "do it" is not the way to get things done, though. (And also, I think you are probably aware of this, but edits to protected pages aren't logged as admin actions and aren't included in Template:Admin stats. Not that it would really mean anything if they were.) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 15:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Noted, but as long as the ability to edit protected pages resides solely in the hands of the admins, it is, by its very nature, an admin task...which I am not allowed to do. I'm not trying to be pointy, make statements or be a jerk. Its just a fact and there are more than enough things to do which I do have access too that can be done with my time. I will focus on those and let this be done by those with the access who are trusted. If I'm not trusted to have access to this then I should not be making changes to it. That should be done by those with the access, even if I do know how to do it. I would also argue its not my code, the code belongs to the template and the community. I have no claim to it other than I wanted to get done and it wouldn't have otherwise. If you want to write the code so it can be fixed I think that would be great, but I don't personally feel I should be doing it. Kumioko (talk) 16:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• Re your comment, "As for notifying the other projects, most wouldn't know what I was talking about," I disagree. It appears to me that many WikiProject participants who are interested in article ratings still assume that article ratings from other projects are going to be copied to their WikiProject's template, so they don't need to do it manually. Your assertion that other users wouldn't know what you are talking about is offensive. Members of the WikiProjects that accepted your offer of support from WP:US may not understand how a bot process works nor how requests are coded, but it is reasonable to assume that they understand the results. IMO, as the user who "sold" most of these Wikiprojects on joining WP:US, you owe it to the Wikiprojects to tell them that the auto-assessment project is not currently available and let them decide what they want to do about the situation. Furthermore, it seems to me it's premature to assume that this capability is lost forever. If there's enough interest in reviving it, I expect that someone will set up a new bot process to implement it. --Orlady (talk) 16:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• I see that you have been planning this change for over 2 months, as Category:Inherited importance United States articles was deleted on 6 June 2013 after you requested deletion on the grounds that "The logic that adds articles to this is being removed from the template". Are the Wikiprojects who think you are supporting them aware of how this change affects their work? --Orlady (talk) 17:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• • • No problem, its easy enough to leave a message so that's certainly reasonable. I was just speaking from dealing with them in the past that generally, few responded because most of the projects have such minimal activity that although people actively work content associated with the topic, few actively watch the projects. Some do though so I will draft up a message and send it out in a little while. As far as the capability coming back. Thats certainly true, things tend to move in cycles however no bots have done it in more than a year (sometime in 2011 last I saw) and most of the categories (over 220) were deleted for the projects affected. Additionally, the benefit is dubious at best anyway. Other than FA, FL, GA, A and maybe B most of the assessments are pretty subjective so its pretty pointless to spam thousands of articles with this auto=yes parameter in the off chance that one or two are wrong. If they are, we can just change them. Contrary to some folks beliefs, the assessments are really not that big of a deal (Kinda like the admin tools, but I digress). So if it is restarted we can just recreate the categories and add the logic back. But its doubtful anyone is going to fall on that sword again. Most stopped doing it for a reason and that was, in part, because ownership issues on Wiki are so widespread that it became a target on their backs. Maybe if ownership rules were enforced better and people were held accountable when they started to act like they owned the stuff then that would change, but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.
    • Regarding the second question, I spoke to several folks (no I didn't start a bunch of discussions) and most wondered why we did it in the first place. As I mentioned above it had questionable valu ein the first place and no one really used it. Further, when it was removed, there were zero complaints. If someone would have complained I would have gladly restored it. But no one uses it, its a useless, unused field, which is why I asked for it to be removed. Since we are on the topic though, I would also like to remove some of the other unneeded unused stuff like the needs X (Where x=infobox, references, geocoordinates, etc.) from some of them. To do those though I was absolutely going to start discussions. Some need to stay such as most of the State projects, some, such as some of the university projects, FBI, etc. just aren't needed. But that would definately require discussion.Kumioko (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
      • The notification has been submitted to each of the projects. I have all of them on my watchlist as well. Kumioko (talk) 19:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I am in the process of cleaning out the Automated assessment categories and logic for all the WikiProject's that use them. There were about 250 but most were empty, some didn't even have the parameter in the template to generate the category and a lot didn't have it as a parameter in its documentation. Some templates don't even have a documentation page at all. Here is a listing the project that are left for this template that still have the parameter in usage, so we need to lave the logic in place for these for now.

1. Arizona
2. Colorado
3. Idaho
4. Indiana
5. Louisiana
6. Massachusetts
7. Nebraska
8. New Mexico
9. Ohio
10. Seattle
11. United States
12. United States governors
13. Vermont
14. Washington
15. West Virginia

Some only have a few to a couple hundred so they'll be easy to clear out and I am fixing other problems at the same time. Some like Seattle and Ohio have a couple thousand. All the other projects in this template not listed above can have the auto and autoi parameter logic removed anytime. Kumioko (talk) 01:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add this edit request to the protected talk page Template talk:WikiProject United States:

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Please add a parameter for the missing American terrtitory taskforces

• WP:WikiProject Guam
• WP:WikiProject American Samoa

Guam

 |tf 1={{{Guam|{{{guam|{{{GU|{{{gu|}}}}}}}}}}}}
  |TF_1_LINK           = Wikipedia:WikiProject Micronesia/Guam work group
  |TF_1_NAME           = Guam
  |TF_1_NESTED         = Guam
  |TF_1_IMAGE          = Flag of Guam.svg
  |TF_1_QUALITY        = yes
  |tf 1 importance={{{Guam-importance|{{{guam-importance|{{{GU-importance|{{{gu-importance|}}}}}}}}}}}}
  |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Guam articles
  |TF_1_MAIN_CAT       = Guam work group articles

American Samoa

 |tf 1={{{AmericanSamoa|{{{American-Samoa|{{{American Samoa|{{{americansamoa|{{{american-samoa|{{{american samoa|{{{AS|{{{as|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
  |TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Polynesia/American Samoa work group
  |TF_1_NAME          = American Samoa
  |TF_1_NESTED        = American Samoa
  |TF_1_IMAGE         = Flag of American Samoa.svg

---

-- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 08:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Given the large amount of controversy over the last few months about what should or should not be covered by {{WikiProject United States}}, we really do need an indication that this is both necessary and desirable. I see nothing either above or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States which seems even remotely relevant. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah unfortunately there are more people willing to fight and argue about what WikiProjects are allowed to tag what articles than editors interested actually making improvements to either. Its unfortunate, but rather than be happy that a WikiProject is taking an interest in another project or article people perceive it as a hostile takeover and reduction of their perception of article ownership. The more projects that have the articles in their scope, the less control any one project has and since no one seems willing to enforce article ownership issues anymore, the most active project with the most members wins. Aside from all that and as much as I tried to make this a functioning active project, its pretty much dead so adding these projects is of little benefit to anyone. Unless and until people are willing to collaborate on articles and stop fighting over who can tag them, this project (and a whole lot of others) is not going to succeed and there isn't much point in adding more projects to the lsit of supported ones. Kumioko (talk) 22:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

The requester has started a discussion on the WikiProject talk page. Celestra (talk) 03:00, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2013

Please remove the |type=sidebar parameter from the TfD template as this template is not a sidebar box. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Clarification: removing the parameter will cause the "this template has been nominated for deletion" notice to appear above the template when it is transcluded, instead of the right of it. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 September 2013

Please remove the deletion tag, since this is no longer up for deletion. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 10:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Already done It was done a few days ago - are you thinking of a different template? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

Please change "Wikipedia requested photographs of United States History" to "Wikipedia requested photographs of United States history", as the category was renamed per WP:CFDS. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:36, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

No Wikiproject CA option? --- Edit request

A number of states are available in the template to quickly and easily add a condensed form of their template to the Wikiproject US template, California for whatever reason is not among them. Can someone add a variable to link to Wikipedia:WikiProject_California as one of the states and add it where appropriate to the list in the instructions? It strikes me as a pretty glaring oversight that there are a ton of states listed and yet California is off the list in the instructions and not included in the template as an option (the template just ignores it). Cat-fivetc ---- 05:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Whoever decides to answer this request, I'd appreciate a note on my talk page when this request is answered. Thanks. Cat-fivetc ---- 06:12, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I believe it's because CA uses it's own banner, {{WikiProject California}}, rather than the shared one. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

That's disappointing if true because having to find every state's banner, especially when an article might fall into multiple state's wikiprojects is more difficult than just using a single template option. Cat-fivetc ---- 17:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. The last I heard, it was the plan to separate out most (if not all) of the state WikiProjects, since many of them had been incorporated into this template without consensus. It's also one of the most complex of all WikiProject banners, and I sympathise with the desire to simplify it. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually the argument that there was no consensus is a complete fallacy and really pisses me off. The actual fact is most of the projects relating to US are completely dead. There is zero activity. None. That's why I added them, to try and breath some life into them. But people that didn't have anything to do with any of these projects started complaining and it turned the project's talk pages into a constant fight. Many of those were admins. So now, these projects are can be broken out and they can die individually. Because no one wants to collaborate. So after personally spending several years and thousands of hours to make this and the other projects work, my opinion is let them and the rest of Wikipedia die. Unless people are willing to work together and the admins are willing to do get off their ass and do more than just bog down the processes with bureaucracy and red tape then they should quite and just go read a book. Because the vast majority of the admins on this site either don't do anything or wait until somebody else does the work for them to implement. I have no respect for a great many of them and I don't care that they feel the same about me. I did 10, 000+ edits a month; they did nothing but implement others work and bitch. Kumioko (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

This should be non-controversial as long as most other states have the same option as long as it is technically variable. I don't know, and I don't particularly care about any movement to change the way things are done vis a vi separate templates for each state but common sense would seem to suggest that allowing people to use one template with multiple options is easier than hunting down and putting in multiple templates, not to mention being much less space consuming in the wikicode. Cat-fivetc ---- 17:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't get your hopes up about it being non-controversial; there was quite a lot (from more than two sides) on Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 11#Template:WikiProject United States. So I would like to see at the very least clear consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California, ideally also at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States. Without both of those being on board, I do not think that it would be productive. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm just going to give this up. Thank you for the respectful and at least informative replies Redrose. Cat-fivetc ---- 00:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Future-Class support

Since Future-Class is being used in many projects, I was expecting that WP US would support it too. I just created a category for it for use in WP Louisville, but the WP US template doesn't seem to support 'Future' for the class. Could someone please add support for this class to the template? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The actual edit needed to do this is simple: just add |future=yes to Template:WikiProject United States/class. However, it's full prot, and previous changes to the workings of {{WikiProject United States}} have been controversial, so, has this been discussed by the WikiProject and consensus to add been reached? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I can't imagine this being controversial, as it's already commonly used, but I will start a discussion on this. Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Indiana articles

Pages tagged as part of the Indiana project (IN=yes) are no longer being added to Category:WikiProject Indiana articles. See Talk:Lochry's Defeat as an example. This appears to have happened with the last edit. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

JLaTondre, Magiciandude I have undid the last update as it is suspected of introducing an error. Please review this in detail, test, and then put forth a new edit requested if desired. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

xaosflux I shouldn't do it. I'm not good at templates and I made a terrible mistake. I'm at loss on what to do here. Erick (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Mistakes happen, and its probably a tiny little error, obvious not intentional, don't beat yourself up about it! Ping some other people that have worked on this template (check it's history) and ask for assistance, they will likely show up to help. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Thanks. Erick (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

WikiProject Latinos has now been merged with WikiProject United States as a task force. WikiProject Mexican-Americans has also been turned into a sub-task for the Hispanic and Latino Americans, so the banner needs to be updated. Erick (talk) 17:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Magiciandude please provide a complete and specific edit that you would like performed on this template (right below this line, put the before/after text you would like) then reactivate this request. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Xaosflux I need the Hispanic and Latino American task force to be added to this banner and for Mexican-Americans to updated as a task force as a sub task for this template. Erick (talk) 19:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Also, per several threads above, please demonstrate that there is consensus for this change. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Note, I just synced the sandbox, feel free to ping here after updating. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

This was discussed at WT:COUNCIL. Erick (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@Xaosflux:, I have updated the sandbox for the task forces. I had opened this discussion on both WT:COUNCIL and the WikiProject United States without any objections from either talk page. Erick (talk) 16:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Magiciandude, Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox does not appear to have been changed since last synced, what exactly do you want done? — xaosflux ^Talk 17:45, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

xaosflux, Oops, I changed the docs for the template, I thought that's you meant by sandbox. I'm terribly sorry for the confusion! Erick (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

xaosflux, Okay, I have made the changes to the sandbox to show what I'd like to see done. Again, sorry for the inconvience. Erick (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

•  Done Synchronized the sandbox to the template. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

It looks like this may have had to be reverted, I can work on it for you.Funandtrvl (talk) 22:27, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed it, the number changes needed to include Indiana-Indianapolis also. (There were two TF "9"s. Also, this template had to be fixed: Template:WikiProject Latinos, and the backlinks will show the talk pages using that template, and a lot of them will have two "WikiProject USA" banners now, that have to be cleaned up. Funandtrvl (talk) 23:58, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! Erick (talk) 00:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 October 2014

Can WikiProjects New York, New York – New York City, and New Jersey be added? The template is missing these. Thanks. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

This is a complex template, please syncronize the sandbox and make your tests their first, after validating, reactivate the edit request tag. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that the code is very complex, and I have never successfully edited one of these WikiProject templates before. I will try, but I may get the code wrong. Epicgenius (talk) 02:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I have updated the code at Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox. The edit request above still applies. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I will work on it for you, it looks like we have to add the Hispanic TF to it also. Funandtrvl (talk) 22:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I just added the MexAm TF and Hispanic TF, and I've changed my mind about adding NY and NJ to this template. I would recommend that you get a consensus first at WT:USA about adding the NY and NJ WikiProjects to this template. It is a very big and unruly template, and hard to update (believe me!). I'm also concerned that it might be too big, with all the articles linking to it. I'm not sure what the "max out" number of parameters or links is. I don't see any benefit to adding some of the bigger U.S. state projects to it. So, I shall keep it as is, right now. Funandtrvl (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the archives for this page, you'll see that a number of changes turned out to be controversial; and there were also discussions on other pages regarding the undesirability of merging the WikiProject banners for individual states. IIRC NJ & NY were two of those where merging was not wanted. In some of my responses on this page I have turned down requests because there was no indication of consensus either at WT:WikiProject United States or at the corresponding page for the state; see e.g. #No Wikiproject CA option? --- Edit request above. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request - Revived Topic

I would like to revive the proposal of adding the remaining excluded states to this template. Precisely because many of the state wikiprojects are either semi-active or inactive, adding them to WP US could potentially reinvigorate them. Additionally, there are simply a number of articles in which it would be appropriate to have the state wikiproject embedded in the US wikiproject. I also believe (based on the previous discussion) that the majority of people would like to see this done. Ergo Sum 16:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you but I wouldn't do it as a whole. I'd just made one proposal saying "Let's add the remainder", make subheading for each individual one and put a separate notice on each individual state's WikiProject page. If some state wants to separate it, let it. I'm pretty sure we're going to go at this again for some of the cities within the state WikiProjects anyways. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Just FYI that this was apparently tried before and it ended with the editor doing it being accused of a hostile takeover for starting the discussion and eventually led to them being banned from the project. So be careful not the end up the same way. You are liable to see a lot of push back on Wisconsin, New York, Virginia and Florida. This would also require a bot to replace the existing WikiProject Banners of any projects added and someone who knows how to modify this template and that is a pretty short list. RingofSauron (talk) 12:40, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

As things stand, this WikiProject banner has code for 24 states (AZ, AR, CO, DE, ID, IN, KY, LA, MA, MS, NE, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, RI, SC, TX, UT, VT, WA, WV, WY) plus DC. So 26 would need adding. Each extra one adds to the processing time of what is already the most complex WikiProject banner by far.

I know how to modify the template. I also know who that banned editor is, and remember the kerfuffle having observed most of it from the start. If you're interested, much of it is in the archives of this page, but it did get spread about. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Instead of arguing it at the template page, let's propose this one by one at the WikiProject page with a link to each project as a separate section. I'll make a start of one or two of them and let's see where it goes. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Hispanic and Latino Americans articles with comments

Talk pages tagged with HLA (Hispanic and Latino American) with comments are populating Category:Hispanic and Latino Americans articles with comments instead of Category:Hispanic and Latino American articles with comments like the rest of Category:WikiProject Hispanic and Latino Americans articles. See Talk:Rosario Dawson for an example. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@Ricky81682: This edit should fix it. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:16, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit request in the sandbox

Greetings, there is an edit waiting to be done in the sandbox here. I requested User:Frietjes help me to change the way this project identifies invalid parameters to her module rather than the guess method previously used. Since this functionality already exists in this template it shouldn't be controversial. Catnip the Elder (talk) 13:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

done. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Catnip the Elder (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Change photo requests to image requests

As part of a nearly-completed shift to distinguish requests for photos from requests for images in general, it is requested that this template be modified to place talk pages in "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories, rather than the old "Wikipedia requested photographs of..." categories. As such, please supplement all references to "photo(s) of..." and "photograph(s) of..." with "image(s) of..." in both the template and its documentation, while maintaining backwards compatibility for the old "photo" parameters. In particular, change "photograph or picture" to simply "image". Note that the "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories have already been created. Thank you! — s w p b ^T 15:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Mock-up in sandbox. — s w p b ^T 15:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

This request is currently on hold, pending further discussion at Category_talk:Wikipedia_requested_images_by_subject#Edit-protected_template_edits_request. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:41, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: per moratorium proposed at Category_talk:Wikipedia_requested_images_by_subject#Way_forward. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 00:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

UShistory-importance

The "UShistory-importance=" template does not seem to pass through the template at all and further its use is being ignored for the purposes of Category:United States articles with invalid parameters. Can that be fixed? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ricky81682: The |US-history-importance= parameter (n.b. not template) and its alias |UShistory-importance= were removed from the template with this edit at 14:12, 9 October 2012 (related discussion), but the doc page wasn't updated to suit. I don't think that it should be restored to the template without discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Redrose64: It seems kind of strange that this template would go to the US history's one but only to the unknown importance one. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean "only to the unknown importance one"? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:28, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

To-do lists

There was consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council/Archive 21#Proposal: Disallow transcluded to-do lists that transcluding to-do lists on project banners should be strongly discourages or prohibited. I have removed the to-do lists from this template. If you would like to replace them with a link to the list, then we could work on that. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@MSGJ: It's concerning that neither WP:Lou nor WP:KY (subprojects of WP US) received notices that this was going to be done, and thus our members didn't have a shot at discussing this. Despite the consensus at the council, it is non-binding as an absolute requirement on individual projects. That said, I as a member of these projects don't disagree with the change. However, the current banner sucks at indicating work that needs to be done in the subprojects, and this isn't just about the formerly transcluded todo list. At a minimum, it should at least link to these todo lists or provide a way for subprojects to link to their "Tasks" page or equivalent. The current banner acts like top-level WP US stuff is the only thing of interest. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Oklahoma?

Why isn't {{WikiProject Oklahoma}} included in this?Pennsy22 (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Pennsy22: When WP US was formed, an editor went around to individual state and city projects and asked them if they wanted to be included. Those that agreed were added. Those that were inactive and didn't respond were added. Those that objected were not added.

It was decided in September 2011 to not include WikiProjects Oklahoma and Tulsa. See this archived discussion. Members of WP OK appeared to be against joining, so it was dropped. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Well, okay then, I guess they won't get added to the talk page link. Thanks for the quick response.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding AL, FL, GA, IL, MO, and TN

Does anyone know the history of why these 6 states were excluded from the template? I am doing some work on ecoregions that span multiple states, and it would obviously be much neater in my case to able to tag all the states in using one template, but it seems like it would also apply to other regional projects that span many states. Is there a good central place to start discussions for inclusion to create consensus? Thanks. -Furicorn (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Check through the archives of this page, look for the word "Kumioko". Similarly with the template's edit history. In short: the WikiProject for each individual state needs to give its consent to be included in the main United States template. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

So I've reviewed the various archives regarding "Kumioko", although I didn't review the template's edit history. What do we do in the case that some of these wikiprojects appear to be ghost towns? Is there a rule where if no one responds after X amount of time, a change can be implemented? Also, this is sort of a separate idea that occurred to me, but is there anyway to create templates that automatically add additional templates to a page (in parent-child relationship)? I was thinking about how stub templates work, where they can add parent categories if they are defined as children of a parent category. The fact that this template was so overburdened made me think that perhaps there was a way to devolve some of this functionality into other templates. In my thinking, tagging something with {{WikiProject Chicago}} would automatically add templates of parent projects {{Wikiproject Illinois}} and {{WikiProject United States}} -Furicorn (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that's a good idea. Let's consider an article about a street in Chicago - say, Addison Street - this is clearly of interest to WikiProject Chicago. But is it also of interest to WikiProject Illinois? Probably not; they would be more interested in the highways that link the towns and cities. How about WikiProject United States - would they be interested? No, they would possibly be interested in the interstates and freeways, although they may say that these are in the purview of WikiProject U.S. Roads. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Ultimately I guess I'm fine with not moving forward with the templates calling templates idea, although I guess it says something about me that I would say it makes sense to include all those projects, like it or not. That being said, did you give any thought to the other question I had, what to do about getting approvals from semi-inactive projects? -Furicorn (talk) 05:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: What kind of consensus would we need from semi-active or inactive wikiprojects just to add states to the banner? It seems like at some point, this decision could be made for semi-active or inactive projects after discussion on WP:USA? Or would a project have to be inactive and then merged into the parent project before it is fair to say there is no one participating in the project anymore able to consent one way or another? -Furicorn (talk) 17:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. You could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: OK, I've started a conversation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Decision-making_Impacting_Inactive_and_Semi-Active_wikiprojects if you are moved to participate. -Furicorn (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

To be honest if anything should happen, it would be spinning out the projects that got merged already back to their own wikiprojects. The sucking of them all in was only ever to inflate Kumioko's edit count by tagging tens of thousands of articles. There was no benefit to any of those projects to be in one super large project with no clear focus compared to more specific projects. -DJSasso (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Montana-denied?

Hey folks, there is no "Montana" or "MT" parameter to add WikiProject Montana inside this template! Can someone fix this? Montanabw^(talk) 23:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Montanabw: Not all states have these parameters. There was a user, since banned, who tried to force all 50 (plus DC) into this template; to see what became of the idea, check the history of Template:WikiProject United States and the archives of this talk page. In short: use {{WikiProject Montana}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I do, but someone else did not, and used this template with a MT parameter, which, of course, didn't work. What's the standard for adding the parameter to the template? I don't want to "force" the project to not use its own WP-Montana template, but is there any reason the MT parameter cannot also be added here? I suspect the case I ran across is not the only one where that paremeter is inserted but not activated...? Montanabw^(talk) 18:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

@Montanabw: Is it worth mentioning that the banner on Talk:Southern Paiute (permalink in case it gets moved) has |Nevada=yes which isn't included either in the template? Sam Sailor 17:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 19 January 2019

Please add "East Providence" and "East Providence priority" under the city and locality projects.

Thank you JasonJD48 (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia requested maps in Washington

I have template editor rights, but I'm a little lost looking at this template. Anyhoo, under certain circumstances, as seen on Talk:Washington cougar attack, the template populates Category:Wikipedia requested maps in Washington ( 0 ). It should populate Category:Wikipedia requested maps in Washington (state) ( 35 ). Can someone better at coding fix this and tell me what you did? --Nessie (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done easy! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia requested maps of the United States Government

The template references Category:Wikipedia requested maps of the United States Government ( 1 ) but the category was deleted on 6 September 2017 by RHaworth. Should the template use Category:Wikipedia requested maps in the United States ( 304 ) instead or should the old category be resurrected? --Nessie (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@NessieVL: RHaworth has an annoying habit of not checking why something has been tagged, or if the tag is valid, before deleting. I restored the page and undid this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Redrose64: thanks for clearing it up. --Nessie (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 May 2019

Under |tf 2 = {{{Washington|{{{WA|}}}}}}:

Replace,

 |TF_2_PORTAL         = Washington 

With,

 |TF_2_PORTAL         = Washington (state) 

Thank you, –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Removing inactive Sub-projects

I propose that we remove from this template the sub-projects that are inactive, just like {{WikiProject Montana}} and {{WikiProject Nevada}} are not included. Any objections to such additional removals? UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually, after thinking about this for ~3 months, I think it makes more sense to leave them in an add text indicating they are inactive. I plan to begin doing so as time allows. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 26 September 2019

It baffles me why there's no option to add supplementation for WikiProject Kansas. Could someone please add that WikiProject to the list? Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 00:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC) ToThAc (talk) 00:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done please make your edit in Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox and test the change, then reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I've just spotted this edit. Whilst it is a long way short of what is needed (and at the same time a long way beyond adding Kansas), something along these lines was desired by Kumioko (talk · contribs) some years ago, and was a contributory cause of their downfall. Check back through the archives of this page to see some of the related discussions. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@ToThAc: further on this, I think the reason is that there is a completely separate template for that wikiproject, at {{WikiProject Kansas}}, and that template is already on about 12 thousand talk pages. My understanding is that wikiprojects choose the stand-alone template or to be nested within this one, but not both. UnitedStatesian (talk) 07:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: Interesting. Maybe in the future I'll start an RfC on whether banner templates on WikiProjects covering federated states in countries (states, provinces, territories, federal districts, etc) should be nested in the banner templates for WikiProjects covering their respective parent countries. In the meantime, though, I'll continue editing the page's sandbox to show what the banner nesting scenario would tentatively look like. ToThAc (talk) 15:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I fully support your doing that in the interest of consistency. Let me know how I can help and/or review your sandbox work. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 December 2019

Replace: File:Nortenos.jpg with File:UFW Flag.svg –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:37, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done See File talk:UFW Flag.svg for more. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:43, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Request to update the Mississippi template which currently uses the former flag

Please change:

|tf 1 =

|TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Mississippi
|TF_1_NAME          = WikiProject Mississippi
|TF_1_IMAGE         = Flag-map of Mississippi.svg
|TF_1_SIZE          = x60px
|TF_1_QUALITY       = yes
|TF_1_IMPORTANCE    = yes

to:

|tf 1 =

|TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Mississippi
|TF_1_NAME          = WikiProject Mississippi
|TF_1_IMAGE         = Seal of Mississippi (2014–present).svg
|TF_1_SIZE          = x60px
|TF_1_QUALITY       = yes
|TF_1_IMPORTANCE    = yes

Mississippi is currently the only state with no flag, so the seal should suffice until a replacement flag is adopted.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Please don't post code blobs on talk pages - instead, make your changes to the template's sandbox - that way it's easy to see the precise change that is desired; see WP:TESTCASES. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thank you for letting me know that I should have used the template's sandbox page . I have performed this edit there, see the Mississippi section of the template at Template:WikiProject_United_States/sandbox to view the precise change that I am requesting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Have a look at Template:WikiProject United States/testcases. Does this exhibit the desired changes? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Redrose64:} Yes, this does. Thank you!  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

OK then,  Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

A few states missing

Can we fix this up so that putting e.g. |CA=yes will add the project to the California task force or WikiProject California, and likewise for the other remaining states? Some are still missing. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:43, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I think the projects for those missing states preferred to have their own banners, such as {{WikiProject California}}, in part because some of them have their own subsidiary projects. This template is also unable, at present, to handle inactive subsidiary WikiProjects, like the {{WikiProject Iowa}} template does, for example. So I would oppose such a change. See discussion two threads above for more on this. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

A few years ago, a user normally known as Kumioko (but who also went by various other names) decided to pull in all fifty states plus DC, with the objective of dispensing with the state-specific banners. There was much opposition (you can read some of it in the archives of this page, but it did also reach dramaboards like WP:ANI) and we never did manage to untangle all of the resultant mess.

In short: for any given state, you must make absolutely sure that both WP:USA and the state-specific WikiProject both desire such a merge. If either one objects, don't bother pursuing it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I've added WikiProject Iowa to this template. I believe it was the only state that didn't have a working template. If there are missing territories, let me know. Funandtrvl (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit request to complete TfD nomination

Template:WikiProject United States has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but was protected so could not be tagged. Please add:

{{subst:tfm|help=off|1=WPUS50}}

to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:WPUS50 merger

At Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 January 16#Template:WPUS50 there was a consensus to merge Template:WPUS50 with this template. You can check out how I plan it to look at Template:WikiProject United States/testcases (bottom of the template). If there are no objections to this implementation I will take it live in a few days. Also worth noting that some of the state WikiProject templates should have the same change implemented since many transclusions of {{WPUS50}} are on pages without {{WikiProject United States}}. --Trialpears (talk) 11:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trialpears: it looks good, but doesn't it need a "WPBannerMeta/hooks/tfnested" entry too? --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Funandtrvl Yes. Fixed now. --Trialpears (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trialpears:, I've added the link parameter, (just because it's in every other TF), and I've updated the bolding to match the general format of the template. I think it's ready to go~ --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trialpears:, I've added the WPUS50 as a TF in the template. Normally, the Template:WPUS50 would be turned into a banner wrapper template, like Template:WikiProject Iowa. Is there a better way to move the transcluded pages over, instead? --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Funandtrvl I have a bot that will take care of it so don't worry about it. The problem with wrappers is that it's easy to create duplicate banners, especially here where every usage probably would have led to a duplicate. --Trialpears (talk) 23:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, that's good! --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed rephrasing of merged text

I'm proposing a rephrasing for the {{WPUS50}} text which was directly copied over here, with the addition of a little embolded text:

This article was created or improved during WikiProject United States' "50,000 Challenge", which started on November 1, 2016 and is ongoing. You can help out!

• Because this is now within the WPUS banner, it isn't necessary to specify and link WPUS.
• The quotation marks aren't needed, capitalization indicates a proper name and it is already standing out with bold styling (bold for consistency with other subsections of the template). Applying multiple styles (bold and quotes) is a bit overkill.
• A comma is needed after the year per MOS:DATECOMMA.
• The "out" after "help" is not needed.

Proposed replacement: |TF_9_TEXT= This article was created or improved during this WikiProject's 50,000 Challenge, which started on November 1, 2016, and is ongoing. You can help!

I feel that this fits a bit better with the text's new home on this template. Thanks for your consideration. – Reidgreg (talk) 04:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done -- @Reidgreg: good catch about the edits needed. I've updated the template. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish-Americans § Project banner

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish-Americans § Project banner. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 20:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 15 January 2022

Hello there! I want to request a minor changes for the second

|NOTE_2_CAT

parameter for the second category: Category:United States articles with invalid parameters → Category:Pages using WikiProject United States with unknown parameters because Category:United States articles with invalid parameters has been deleted per CfD. Vitaium (talk) 06:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 11:00, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Request to add WikiProject to template

Hello! I would like to request that WikiProject: Purdue University be added to the template as WikiProject Indiana - Purdue, as well as have the Indiana portal with it. We're using the Purdue motion P () as our project icon for now. Thanks!! Invinciblewalnut (talk) 22:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done @Invinciblewalnut: --added Purdue TF to template. --Funandtrvl (talk) 06:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2022

Rename:

• File:US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg → File:Great Seal of the United States (obverse).svg Rkt2312 (talk) 12:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 14:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Request to add WikiProject Hampshire County, West Virginia template

Hello all! I would like to kindly request that Wikipedia:WikiProject Hampshire County, West Virginia be added to the template as WikiProject West Virginia - Hampshire County with the West Virginia portal added. Please let me know if you have any questions or require additional information in the meantime! I appreciate everything you do for WikiProject United States! -- West Virginian (talk) 22:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 30 August 2022

Rename:

• New Orleans, Louisiana flag.svg → Flag of New Orleans, Louisiana.svg Rkt2312 (talk) 22:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 September 2022

Rename:

• Flag of Washington, D.C..svg → Flag of the District of Columbia.svg Rkt2312 (talk) 19:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

 edited. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 20:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit request 28 April 2023

Description of suggested change: Replace File:UFW Flag.svg with something more appropriate. I'm not educated on the topic of United Farm Workers of America and why is it using a very clearly Nazi-styled flag, but it cannot represent an entire group of people (Hispanic and Latino Americans).

• 
  Current image
• 
  Replacement suggestion

Diff:

−

UFW Flag.svg

+

Seal of the Ohio Commission on Hispanic and Latino Affairs.svg

–Vipz (talk) 22:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. Judging by the UFW website and the task force's front page, the "flag of the United Farm Workers union, containing the Huelga (or Welga) Bird on a white disc on a red field" appears to be the preferred flag of the task force at the present time. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

discussion to change this template and/or its usage

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States#Undo hijacking of WikiProjects Louisiana and New Orleans, about a proposal to remove this WikiProject United States banner template from 17,480 articles' Talk pages. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 04:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

P.S. AnomieBOT has been enforcing the use of WikiProject US banner instead, and the proposal is also to stop that. However, per clarification given at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#change AnomieBOT from enforcing WikiProject United States banner on Louisiana pages, that is only because the "banners are simply subst-only wrappers of {{WikiProject United States}}". Updating this template is all that is needed (there is no need to get any bot change approved), and I am trying to obtain consensus at the above-linked discussion. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 06:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Params for NY

Why is this missing state-level parameters for New York?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Because {{WikiProject New York (state)}} is a WikiProject banner in its own right. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Image

The words on the current image are not readable in the small nested version. Can we change to a version without the words? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

WP Nevada

Can we add Nevada to this template? The template:WikiProject Nevada doesn't work anymore. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

It's been inactivated. Is the WikiProject active again? If so, the banner may also be reacivted; if not, there's no point adding it to WPUSA. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 18:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm concerned that did all the Las Vegas and Nevada articles get re-tagged by the WPUSA template? --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have thought so, and indeed Talk:Caesars Palace hasn't been. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 18:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

So, how would we tag the article talk pages that were from WP Nevada? Or, should we add it as a wrapper template to WPUSA? I'm not sure how to tag them, would I use AWB? I know how to do the wrapper template, both I don't know which way would be best. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Just tag them in the normal way, see Talk:Caesars Palace as an example. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Useless link in WP US template

The link to "Unreferenced BLPs" in the WP US template goes to a historical page of no current use to WikiProjects. In fact, that effort has been dead for over a decade. Could this link please be removed? I just realized this today after I started color-coding links to historical pages. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 05:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Compatibility with CleanupWorklistBot

Recently I found out that because this template doesn't somehow hook into mw:Extension:PageAssessments, the Cleanup list generated by the subject bot for all the projects included in WP:US won't display the importance and class of each article in the weekly-produced listings. Has this ever been looked into? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

No mas? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 05:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

The WP US template indeed does save data to PageAssessments, and now the CleanupWorklistBot has the capability to access it. I'll explain further in WP US talk. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about image-in# / map-in# parameters

Although the template documentation includes |image-in2=/|image-in3=/|map-in2=/|map-in3= parameters, they don't seem to be included in the template code. Pages that use the template with these parameters are included in Category:Pages using WikiProject United States with unknown parameters. Should the template code be updated to support the parameters, or should the documentation be updated to remove these unsupported parameters? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like they were removed due to lack of use at this revision. The template documentation needs to be updated. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Funandtrvl: Documentation updated, and category emptied. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

as always, thanks for the help!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Minor edit request for WP Louisville

I'm the maintainer for the subject project and for overall project cleanup purposes have recently revised our project icon to use File:Fleur-de-lis-3d-2.png instead of File:Fleur-de-lis-3d.png. Could a template editor please make this change in the WP US? Not a high priority. Thanks. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 09:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@StefenTower:  Done --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Substituted templates

When this template is substituted, from e.g. Template:WikiProject Kentucky, it includes blank parameters for category and class. Wouldn't be it better if it didn't include them by default? The category parameter should be rarely needed, and the class parameter ideally isn't needed going forward either given WP:PIQA. -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham: That's a modifiaction that you need to make to Template:WikiProject Kentucky, not this one. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Ah yes of course, my mistake. In that case to implement what I was originally thinking would mean changing a lot of wrapper templates, and I suspect the hassle isn't worth the benefit, so I'll leave it. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham I removed all the category and class substitutions from wrappers of this template except for {{WikiProject Iowa}} and {{WikiProject New Orleans}}, the former of which was template protected and the latter of which I could not figure out how it worked. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Template is displaying "Pages with script errors"

Hi, I've asked for help at Module talk:WikiProject banner#Template:WikiProject United States. because the template is displaying error codes about script errors. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 June 2024

Please add the following line to link to Portal:Washington, D.C., thanks.

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|TF_13_MAIN_CAT = WikiProject District of Columbia articles |TF_13_NESTED = District of Columbia

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|TF_13_MAIN_CAT = WikiProject District of Columbia articles |TF_13_PORTAL = Washington, D.C. |TF_13_NESTED = District of Columbia

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 05:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth it appears this edit broke the template. Not sure why or how, but could you please undo it for now before figuring out what went wrong so that editors can use it again? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

To editor QuietHere: I don't understand, this template is used on almost 700,000 pages, so we should make very sure before editing. If you're not sure why or how it's broken, then how do you know that it's broken at all? You must have seen some symptom of a problem, so please describe it and show an example or two. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 21:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth well, the current template page says "The time allocated for running scripts has expired" twice in bolded red text, while it looked perfectly normal in the version before your most recent edit, and when I tried to add it to Talk:Never Leave earlier, Rater said the banner didn't exist. Perhaps something else went wrong, but that seems like the most obvious cause to me. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@QuietHere: This problem is nothing to do with Paine's edit, nor even this template; it's Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 213#The time allocated for running scripts has expired. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And I see it's been fixed now. Thanks, and apologies for the confusion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

As the devs might say, the function is not broken, it is non-performant. (T278206) In other words this is a performance problem that the devs have been working on time and again for a few years now. Apparently considered low priority compared with other challenges, you can expect to see the allocation error message again. I caught it when I synchronized the project template's sandbox with the live template to run some tests. As has been mentioned in previous discussions, the page just had to be purged and it loaded with no error message. I see you added the project template to Talk:Never Leave without hassle. I hope you're as glad as I am that a revert of this edit is not required. WHEW I say as I wipe the sweat from my brow. Best to you, and thank you for being attentive to this issue! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 23:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, it wasn't entirely without hassle, as Rater still isn't acknowledging the template's existence. I will bring up that concern on Rater's talk page and hopefully that can be resolved as well. And yes, I am glad that your edit wasn't the problem, especially since I couldn't see any reason why it would be wrong. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk page already had a discussion and an effective solution. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems long template pages have always presented bugs to haunt the devs. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Yup, resetting the rater cache brought the WP US template back into the selection list, although recently, it was missing and even clearing the cache didn't work. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 1 July 2024

Description of suggested change: As done at the sandbox, I have fixed a typo: Articles Requested to Requested Articles, please change it here as well. Diff:

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ORIGINAL_TEXT

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CHANGED_TEXT

48JCL 23:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: since this template is so widely used, edits that just move two words around should wait to be implemented until a more substantial edit is made. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 02:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Documentation not activating

The transclusion of documentation is not activating. It is just leaving a link #invoke:documentation ; is this because the complexity limit has been reached? Can a wikilink to the documentation page be added, so that it is accessible?

Below

{{documentation}}

add

{{documentation}}
==See also==
* [[/doc]] for documentation about this template

contained within the noinclude section

-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 00:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The documentation page needs to be shortened. The template plus its documentation exceeds the post-expanded size limit for a Wikipedia page, so the documentation is not loading. Thanks for bringing this up. SilverLocust 💬 05:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

New parameter

Hello @Funandtrvl! So I found an inactive taskforce page Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish-Americans which was, by the looks of it, abandoned mid-creation due to the creator suddenly abandoning Wikipedia. Since I have an interest in Jewish-American history and culture, I decided the page can be tidied up and added to the appropriate articles.

One issue the creator had was with parameters. I tried to add them too but I'm afraid I can't figure it out at all. If you can be so kind to help put in the |Jewish-Americans=yes and |Jewish-Americans-importance= to {{WikiProject United States}} and we can, hopefully, get this up and running. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Any advice on how to spoof up and integrate the taskforce into the WP:USA would also be welcome. I tried at the talk page but I didn't get any response from anyone. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm adding fully protected template, I may not be able to get to this right away, thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response! :) And no worries either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I see no difference between the present template and its sandbox. Therefore,  Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Please note, this is not an assurance that I will implement any proposed changes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64, sorry, I don't understand. Would appreciate some guidance. Thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

You requested an edit. But you have not put your proposed edit into the template's sandbox, let alone demonstrated it at the testcases page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64, Ah alright, I see now. Thank you for your response. This is my first time requesting such an edit so I didn't know the procedure. Will do that and then return here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64, hello there. I've edited the sandbox and also demonstrated it at the testcase page as you have asked. I hope I did it right. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64, @Funandtrvl, its been over a month. I've not gotten a response on this. Would appreciate one. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

California and Hawaii are not listed

Other states are listed but California and Hawaii aren't. They do have WikiProjects WP:HAWAII and WP:CALIFORNIA. There might be more, but at least these two aren't listed. Also I can't WP:BEBOLD, it's template editor protected. - Sebbog13 (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Of the 26 US-State parameters in the /doc (25+DC), 23 have associated WikiProject templates which are subst'd wrappers for {{WPUS}} (e.g. {{WP Arkansas}}), and only 3 are not ({{WP Arizona}}, {{WP Indiana}}, {{WP Ohio}}). I don't know why those 3 exceptions exist, but the clear pattern/trend is to reserve {{WPUS}} params to subst'd states.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Some years ago, there was a decision that a state should only have params in WikiProject United States if, and only if, it didn't have it's own state WikiProject banner. Since {{WikiProject California}} and {{WikiProject Hawaii}} exist, there should not be |CA= or |HI= in {{WikiProject United States}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)