Template talk:WikiProject Canada Roads/Archive 1

Rebuilding and updating ideas

1. I tried to fix the coding that detected the namespace. The template that this used to do that has been deleted. There's a magic word thta will do the same, but since we tag on talk pages, it used the "talk" portion. My switch isn't working, so shall we ditch that feature and leave it as the generic "page"?
2. The template probably needs some modifications to support C-Class, Book-Class, Portal-Class, etc. It should be updated so that various classes don't need any importance attached. (Template class doesn't really need an importance for instance.)
3. A |province= parameter will be needed to do the assessment classifications by province. Before we get too far into that though, are there any articles that conceivably would be tagged for multiple provinces? Trans-Canada Highway should be tagged for all of them, except provinces that have an article on that province's segment(s) of the highway. This is like USRD's "state-detail" concept. Interstate 75 isn't tagged for Michigan because Interstate 75 in Michigan is. A |type= style parameter would be handy though to tag all of the TCH-related routes into a set of TCH categories. Since Canada doesn't have two pan-national systems, a |TCH=yes would work well for that.
4. USRD updates its portal monthly. The new Canadian portal is using the random-content generation system. USRD tags through the banner articles and files that have appeared as a selected article, selected picture or DYK hook. Would such tracking be useful if the article/file is currently in the random queues?
5. I know the Ontario assessment categories exist for {{ONRD}}. The other provincial and territorial categories will need to be systematically created in a consistent naming scheme.

Anything else? Imzadi 1979 → 22:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Followup to #1 above, it looks like the switch is working after all now. Imzadi 1979 → 22:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I feel like I'm talking to myself, but anyways. We can borrow any code we need out of the USRD template if we want to clone some of it. Since there are only 13 provinces/territories in total and a TCH classification would be 14 subdivisions to the project. That can be accommodated through the meta template (which can do up to 5 TFs/subprojects and an additional 10 with a hook.) I'm updating the HWY banner in its sandbox to set up 5 regional task forces, but I've figured out how to get the additional ones. That means though that we wouldn't have |province= but |ontario=yes |tch=yes etc. Up to you. I can switch over to it at some point without taking too long. Of course, does CRWP want to use the old map or the TCH shield for the project's "branding"? Imzadi 1979 → 01:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

LoL i have been reading,,,just not sure what to say.....I did add the portal but not with any special coding.Moxy (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I created a sanboxed version of the template using the metatemplate at {{Canada Roads WikiProject/sandbox}}. To tag an article for a specific province or territory, use the two-letter postal abbreviation as a parameter name like |on=yes or |tch=yes for a highway on the TCH. {{Canada Roads WikiProject/testcases}} has my test cases so far. Imzadi 1979 → 04:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to watchlist this page so I just stumbled in now :p I will take a good look over things today and get a feel for it. {{WPOR}} currently uses the setup of Category:XXX-Class_Ontario_road_articles. I think it grammatically makes more sense with the lowercase road, but it was an entirely accidental creation. Just use the province variable in place of Ontario. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 18:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Ooh. You mentioned roads that cross multiple provinces. Don't forget about MOM's way. Perhaps either having both a TCH category as well as a multi-province category, or just having the multi-province option. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 18:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've started /sandbox2 which is reusing the code from {{USRD}}'s sandbox, and would support tagging for up to 10 provinces. (As a short hand, the template and I both consider the 3 territories as provinces, even though they aren't.) I can simplify the coding down to less provinces, but so far it doesn't matter in terms of the complexity if we support 2, 3 or 13 simultaneously. The USRD template supports 20 states and 2 types. I haven't started the coding on that to insert the TCH parameter. That will be simpler than trying to support the I/US/trail types in the USRD template though. There are still some bugs to work out, and [[[User:Fredddie]] and I are working on that sandbox now to get them fixed in the next few days.

Now, I've also contacted User:CBM so that once we get the template done, the bot will create the leaderboard table for Canada and update it daily like it does for USRD. One word of note, USRD uses <XXX>-Class <State> road transport articles, but your template created and supports a slightly different name scheme. We should decide now if we want to transition to that consistent scheme or set CRWP up with the other scheme. The sandbox for WP:HWY is using the US scheme when the regional taskforces come on line. I think it works best to keep "transport" in as that is the international English default description. Imzadi 1979 → 21:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Why add transport? Wouldn't it be simpler as just "...road articles" (including for the US)? These articles are all within the transport category if I'm not mistaken. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

• Couple of things to do
  • What needs to be done in order to allow provinces to set their importance independently of CRWP as a whole?
  • Won't collapse inside of a banner shell

I've thrown it onto Talk:Don Valley Parkway for a test case. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 18:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

here to Portal talk:Canada Roads.Moxy (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You two know you're using the old template though? The new one looks like it's ready to come online shortly, so hold on. The new one is going to be using new category names so hold up from wide usage for a bit. Imzadi 1979 → 19:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That would explain it :P What about my question above? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 21:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Provinces probably shouldn't be using separate importances. The new template is online, btw. As for collapsing, ping WOSlinker. It should collapse. See Talk:Trans-Canada Highway. I tagged that using the new template already. Imzadi 1979 → 22:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

There are no categories which contain every article by province. Makes things somewhat tedious. I'd like to add something to the template so that it sets one more category. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 05:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that was in the one version of the template, but got lost in the shuffle when the subtemplates were merged together. I'll add it here in a few. Imzadi 1979 → 06:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, on second thought, I can't just do what I was going to do. WOSlinker has written the subtemplate and main template in such a way that I can't do what I thought I could. I'll need to ping him for guidance. Imzadi 1979 → 06:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

WOSlinker got them set up for you, Floydian. The categories are created and should be populating now as the job queue runs. Imzadi 1979 → 10:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll keep going on my run to take out the road parameter and use the new category as a double check at the end. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 17:54, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Ontario is all done for now. I'm running a check on the new category to cleanup any stragglers, but everything I'm aware of is off the list. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Parameters don't seem to be feeding into categories

The below parameters do not seem to be feeding into these categories. Also, shouldn't these, as well as the photo requests feed into Provincial/Territorial/TCH specific cats which are sub categories of the below?

• |needs-shield=yes → Category:Canada Roads project articles needing shields
• |needs-map=yes → Category:Canada Roads project articles needing maps
• |needs-infobox=yes → Category:Canada road articles without infoboxes
• |attention-rjl=yes → Category:Canada road articles with a junction list needing attention

--Admrboltz (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed the issue. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Canada Roads WikiProject → Template:WikiProject Canada Roads — Standardize banner, like {{WikiProject Canada}} and {{WikiProject United States}}. JJ98 (Talk) 05:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose like {{U.S. Roads WikiProject}}. --Rschen7754 05:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose—requested name is a redirect, so it doesn't matter where the template is located, both names will work just fine. Imzadi 1979 → 05:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
• Meh... Does it really matter? You'd have to change the banner on several thousand pages (or else they'd be redirects all the same). Effort better spent on improving content. Besides, I usually just stick {{CRWP}} on. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 06:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - No reason it needs to be moved. Dough4872 02:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment looks like a make-work proposal. This isn't article content. 64.229.100.45 (talk) 06:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
• Support per convention. I don't see why this needed to be discussed. Also, I don't understand the above comment. McLerristarr | Mclay1 07:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Banner standardization is an essay. --Rschen7754 07:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
• Meh per Floydian. Considering there's a redirect already (eg if you type {{Template:WikiProject Canada Roads}} you still get the desired template), I don't really see how this matters... Jenks24 (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Link to subproject

The "This ... is part of the Canada Roads WikiProject" text appears not to change even if a subproject (ie: |province=ON) is specified. That gives (on Talk:Ontario Highway 2)

This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

• WikiProject Canada / Ontario [show](Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
• WikiProject Canada Roads [show](Rated C-class, High-importance)

Shouldn't the roads template follow the same pattern as the main 'Canada' template, linking WikiProject Canada Roads / Ontario? K7L (talk) 18:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Some provinces don't have subprojects, though... --Rschen7754 18:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

The {{#case: parser function could be used to list just those which do have subprojects, with default= for the rest. K7L (talk) 18:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I've updated the banner to add that. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)