Template talk:Infobox hospital/Archive 4

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Location, region and country formatting

Entering the information as recommended by the template results in

1873 Rama IV Road, Pathum Wan Bangkok (Thailand)

I don't understand why the country should be in parenthesis rather than after a comma, nor why some countries are shown as two-letter codes and some not. I also think a comma should be automatically inserted between the location and region parameters when both are used. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 11:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I removed the parentheses and small font, added the comma and changed two-letter code displays to full country names. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 08:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It was done for compactness, as generally the reader will know which country the article relates to, but need both some mention just in case, and also that the template performs some reformating and autolinks depending upon the provided country details. Hence (UK) or (US) was just a gentle reminder :-) But if people wish to see fuller address with more correct comma separator - fair enough :-) David Ruben ^Talk 00:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Display of specialty

With the change, I can't get the specialty to display for a US hospital. Anyone know of a working example? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The specialty wasn't displaying for "Specialist" hospitals, but it was working for "Teaching" hospitals...it was not unique to US hospitals. It should be working now. --Scott Alter 20:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks OK in the one I had been working on. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

US/UK spelling and usage

Since Emergency Room is the common term in the US and this is explained in the main hospital article, can we change the display for US hospitals to use the commonly used term and not Emergency Department? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this should be changed. Although "emergency room" may be a common term among laypeople in the US, it is not the technically correct term. The place in the hospital that cares for emergencies is not just a room, rather an entire department. Emergency department is the term US hospitals use to describe the facility. I think this example is like the heart attack article redirecting to myocardial infarction. Even though heart attack is a more common term, MI is more accurate. --Scott Alter 20:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Move Name into the box

I've been asked if the hospital name can be shown inside the top of the box, rather than above and outside of it,

Hence from:

Up Here

Rest of infobox

to

In Here
Rest of infobox

This would then make the infobox consistant with other infoboxes and allow it to be used alongside other infoboxes (where the hospital of a university might not warrent full article), per example of User talk:Davidruben#Infobox Hospital: Question. In example given to me, University of Washington Medical Center already exists, so I'm not sure needs be used in University of Washington article, but for now question of outer or inner header remains. Any good thoughts for or against this ? David Ruben ^Talk 21:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Inside seems to make more sense, since the name is displayed as part of the infobox. I think it looks better to have it inside. And if other infoboxes do this, it makes sense to remain consistent unless a compelling reason can be given otherwise, no? --JBC3 (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Leaving the {{{Name}}} field blank (not omitting it: including it, but leaving it blank) allows for the template to fit flush with others. The argument that the title should be moved inside the template because that's where it is on other infobox templates doesn't hold because both styles are commonly used; for instance, {{infobox building}}. Using an HTML caption for the title instead of an embiggened table header element is also more semantically valuable in my opinion. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I made the request; for context, my aim is to create a new page for the UW Medicine health-care system, to align its components (encompassing two hospitals, the UW School of Medicine and other properties) on one page, so they appear related (as they are). The medical school infobox template places the name within, so I'm simply seeking consistency with the other infoboxes on the page. Visually, I think any such box of information looks more cohesive with the title inside. My opinion is informed by several years as a newspaper page designer, for what it's worth, but I am admittedly a wiki novice.UWM scribe (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

Does anyone know how to get rid of the titles on this template? History, geography, services, links etc. They're not always appropriate and yet they appear on the template no matter what's filled in, taking up space and looking odd. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 18:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

No one replied here; but the issue appears to be resolved now - correct? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see this reply. No, the template is still problematic. There's a parameter at the end called Lists, but it's not filled in, and I can't see how to remove it. See here. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 23:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

The best thing to do would be to convert this template to use {{Infobox}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 00:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Map location

does not works. See Institute of Mental Health (Belgrade) Aleksa Lukic (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It works, but the use in the article was incorrect (the template should probably spell out examples of how to correctly use those so as to avoid confusion). I've corrected the article so that the error is eliminated. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Lists

How can I remove the Lists parameter when it's not filled in? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 11:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Hospitals

I have added this infobox to Wikiproject Hospitals. Please help out if you are interested. Ng.j (talk) 19:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Website

Would anyone object to using {{URL}} in the |website= field per WP:UF? Mhiji (talk) 08:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted the addition of {{URL}} because it results in the url being displayed twice in articles. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:57, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

If we use {{URL}}, it must be to replace the present code. Otherwise it will display twice.Ng.j (talk) 02:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Helipad

I would like to add a Helipad option, but I am not that great with editing infoboxes. Anybody want to help? Ng.j (talk) 19:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Added. Optional, use Yes, No, or Location identifier. Only list if verifiable, leave blank if unknown. Ng.j (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Usage

This is the new usage message: "Copy-paste the entire unpopulated template below. It will display the infobox on the right. All fields and invisible text should be left intact for future editors, even if currently unused."

Most users copy an infobox from one page to another. Most of the time information that should be put in the new article isn't, simply because people don't know that it is an option. Also the invisible text should be left if possible, as it will aid in guiding new users of this infobox. Ng.j (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I've reformatted the documentation so as to avoid this. We don't need the entire template usage notes being copied into article. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Lists parameter

Does anyone know how to make the lists parameter optional, so that when it's not filled in it doesn't appear? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 16:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

There is no lists parameter to make optional. It's driven by "|Country=", which needs to be plain text. At Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center the country was wikilinked, which I've now fixed, along with a few other things. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

That's great, many thanks. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 16:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry not been watch this as perhaps I should - yes List automatically shows list of hospitals by country (full name or 2-letter codes) if such a list article exists. For US it tries to show list of hospitals by state first. David Ruben ^Talk 06:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Removal of comments

A proposal has been put forward to remove the invisible comments. Please comment below:

Strongly oppose I am opposed to this because most users do not read the instructions on the template page. Most editors will copy paste from another page rather than from the source page, leading to improperly filled out and missing fields. I know this first hand, having edited several hundred hospital articles. The trend recently by other WikiProjects has been to put instructions using invisible comments in order to help editors unfamilar with the infobox to fill it out properly.Ng.j (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't really see an issue with including the comments in the blank, as it makes it easier for people who actually take time to use a fresh copy than just cut and paste from another article. I've seen this done at other templates (don't ask me where - I can't remember - I do a lot of edits!) but in the process of converting Australian school articles to use the generic {{Infobox school}} we're doing this to identify the fields applicable to Australian schools. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Map tweak

I just made this tweak. Having caption={{{map_caption|Shown within {{{map_type}}} gave some interesting results, "Shown within Turkey relief" and "Shown within Canada Nova Scotia", because of the map names. There are about 70 articles using the map so they will currently be without a map caption. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Airport codes

The documentation currently states to use "Template:Airport codes" if verifiable, in the Helipad parameter. I propose these changes, so that the airport code can be entered in directly. For example, rather than entering |Helipad={{Airport codes||||CFH7|p=n}}, the code can be entered |TC LID=CFH7, to produce the same result. 117Avenue (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Generating coord from lat/long

If I read the code right, the latitude and longitude attributes are only being used to generate the position on the map. They ought to be used to generate a {{coord|latitude|longitude|display=title}} template as well, per most other infobox templates. The main advantage is that the infobox will be generating a geocard that Google Maps etc can recognise, which will literally put the hospital articles on the map the next time Google update their database (every couple of months). It has the second advantage of complying with the Wiki convention of putting the coordinates in the top right corner with a clickable link to all the goodies at Geohack (as long as you do the display=title thing). Le Deluge (talk) 16:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree, that can be added at the same time as my proposal. 117Avenue (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

other language

here is it in french: fr:Modèle:Infobox Hôpital - please add.--Hyronimus299 (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Autolinking error

When this template is used with the "state=" parameter, and the state name is ambiguous, the template generates an incorrect link. For example, see Allied Hospital, which uses the template with "state=Punjab" and "country=PK". This results in an incorrect link to Punjab, a disambiguation page, instead of a correct (piped) link to Punjab, Pakistan, the article about the jurisdiction in which the hospital is located. The template either should generate the correct link, or should not autolink terms at all. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Well I fixed the Hospital] but not the problem. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

2 letter country code disaster -- bad idea

2 letter country code sounds like a disaster. We should require the user to spell it out. We only hold a tiny tiny list of countries in the template definition, so many are likely to fall through the cracks. Plus, users are likely to think up of an "incorrect" two letters that might be assigned to an entirely separate country in the template. --Bxj (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm also shocked to see that the template actually dynamically replaces the two letter abbreviation to a longer spelling. I thought it was asking for two letters for space constraint reasons in the infobox. Instead, it's provided to supposed to make it "easier" on the user? Really?

I propose a documentation change. Currently, the documentation reads:

| Country     = <!-- 2 letter code or in full, United States must be "US" - NB autolinked -->

I propose this to be changed to:

| Country     = <!-- full spelling of the country. Two letter code support for 
           some countries also exist for backwards compatibility reasons.  -->

Asking for a two letter abbreviation is problematic for the following reasons:

• The abbreviation isn't actually needed internally in the template because it's supposed to be swapped with the full spelling
• Two letter abbreviation swapping is supported for only a small subset of countries.
• It doesn't instruct the user which two letter abbreviation to use for a particular country.
• Two letter acronym articles frequently don't redirect to a country, making this prone to breakage.

Requiring the full spelling of the country is beneficial for the following reasons:

• Nothing breaks
• Two letter abbreviations aren't used internally
• The full spelling is what's supposed to be displayed in the infobox anyway
• No more ambiguity to the user, reduces user error and makes it easier for the user to just make it work

--Bxj (talk) 14:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Support and I would also get rid of {{subst:PAGENAME}}. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Support including the added change by CambridgeBayWeather. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 is the reference list of two-letter country codes, you will find that it is very thorough and complete. Spelling the country name in full is the "quick way out" here, but what really should be done is to fix the abbreviation swapping, if that doesn't work correctly. Which... would surprise me, to be honest. Can you give some examples? --HAdG (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

The only countries supported by this template are; Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, Ireland, India, Israel, Kenya, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Pakistan, South Africa, Tanzania, United Kingdom, United States. So if for example you use SG or FR the template automatically links them but the links go to a disambiguation pages. By the way the "state" should go as well. The only two linked there are Georgia and Washington. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Emergency departments in UK hospitals

It is increasingly common for UK hospitals to have a Minor Injuries Unit rather than a full Accident and Emergency unit. The template currently allows only "yes/no", I propose that this be changed to "yes-a&e/yes-miu/no". See e.g. St Andrews Community Hospital. --HAdG (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Address and phone number

Currently an 'Address' field exists (as per template info page), but this is not displayed in the template. A phone number (switchboard) field does not exist. Both would be useful! --HAdG (talk) 11:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Ng.j (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Distinguishing Trauma Center from Pediatric Trauma Center

In the United States, emergency departments are separately ranked. That is to say, a hospital with a Level I Trauma Center may have a Level II Pediatric Trauma center, or vice versa, or only one and not the other. What's the best way to indicate this in the infobox? Meadowbrook (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The Infobox only provides an overview, there should be a Trauma center section in the article that elaborates on capabilities and certification. I usually include air ambulance and helipad information as well if possible. Ng.j (talk) 17:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Location map Gibraltar

This location map is not appearing in the infoboxes at St Bernard's Hospital and Royal Naval Hospital Gibraltar. Could someone please look into this? Thanks, --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 22:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

A recent edit did that. I reverted for now until it can be fixed. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Work's now, thanks! --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 19:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Latitude & Longitude parameters not providing in-article coordinates

Why do the Latitude & Longitude parameters not provide coordinates within the article, either in the infobox or at the top right of the page? Could this be changed, please, so that this template works as others to provide this info useful to the reader? thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

It was discussed some time ago I think but never done and I couldn't figure out how to do it without breaking something. Right now you need the "latitude" and "longitude" lines for the map and the "coordinates" line for the title and infobox. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

should work now, I will document this feature in a second. Frietjes (talk) 16:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. That seems to work fine. One other request. Would it be possible to add a "| scale = "? Some places at 10000 are t0o far out and in others it will be too far in. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

it uses type:landmark, which does correspond to a scale, but I can certainly add scale as well. Frietjes (talk) 17:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

now added with |coordinates_scale=. Frietjes (talk) 18:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It was just that sometimes the default isn't the correct scale. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 18:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks both. Much appreciated. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking?

"State" and "Country" fields should not be autolinked per WP:OVERLINK. --John (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I see no-one has responded to this in a year and a half. If there is no objection, I will try to adjust the coding myself. It would have been better if someone with more skills in this area could have helped. --John (talk) 13:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Country Designation and Spelling

I noticed that if you indicate that the hospital is in the United States that it will automatically spell Organization with a 'z' (rather than an s). However, you can't link it. When I type [[United States]] in the Country section, I get Organisation (with an 's'). Not a big deal, just something I noticed. Jhunt47 (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

The page says it should are automatically wikified, but they aren't on Logan Regional Hospital. Jhunt47 (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

probably something about overlinking, but I have added the option to wikilink the country. Frietjes (talk) 16:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Problem with displaying geographical coordinates

When I input geographical coordinates with the "display=inline,title" notation, this template initially previews this as "display=title," so that the coordinates don't appear within the infobox. I then have to go back and add "inline." It works fine after this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.164.145 (talk) 19:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Care system display

In the Fremantle Hospital article, the hospital info box displays the Care system as "Public Medicare (AU)" for reasons that are not obvious to me. Given that Medicare (Australia) is a public scheme, "Public Medicare" is redundant. Perhaps there should be a comma, eg "Public, Medicare (AU)". Mitch Ames (talk) 12:08, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Bed numbers

The "beds" field accepts free text. There isn't currently any guidance listed on the template page regarding the attributes for this field. I think it would be sensible to include a brief guidance note to indicate that this refers to the maximum number of beds that the hospital is licensed to operate (as opposed to physically available beds, for example). This definition doesn't depend upon bed occupancy and is consistent with Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality definitions from 2011. I note that for statistical purposes the bed numbers that are listed by the OECD do not include day cases (patients admitted for a medical procedure or surgery in the morning and released before the evening) as described in the OECD glossary. Drchriswilliams (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed new parameter

I propose creating a new parameter called founder. This parameter would appear under the founded parameter in the "History" section of the infobox. Its purpose would be to allow edits to enter individual names as the founders of the hospital, since there are many hospitals that were founded principally by one or more individuals. Thoughts? Ergo Sum 23:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Proposed religion parameter

Many hospitals are associated with a particular religion or religious organization. As just one example, 15% of hospitals in the United States are affiliated with the Catholic Church (according to this). Therefore, it would be appropriate to have a religious_affiliation parameter. I have put the full code of this proposal in this template's sandbox, which includes the insertion of the parameter, the renumbering of subsequent parameters, and the addition of this parameter to the unknown parameter checklist. Ergo Sum 20:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support This is clever. Yes, religious affiliation is a defining attribute of hospitals. It merits a place in the infobox. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Done Ergo Sum 22:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: I had an additional thought - beyond religion, some clinics have an ideology or a demographic specialization. After this discussion I started looking around. In the Western world there are lots of LGBT clinics. In the United States there are clinics specializing in minority populations, like for First Nations, Pacific Islanders, or various immigrant groups. Health care centers seeing large Indian or Chinese populations often incorporate traditional health care practices. I wonder if in China or Russia there are hospitals named for communism in a way analogous to how hospitals can get names for religion.

I think that naming the parameter for religion is the right thing to do now but maybe if there are enough examples someone can make the case for considering a change from religion to ideology, or perhaps having an additional ideology parameter. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

On Wikidata

At NewYork–Presbyterian Hospital (Q975653) I added the claim religion -> Presbyterianism as an exploration of how this would work in Wikidata. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: I would hesitate to support that for the following reason. The parameter is to be used for when a hospital has an active affiliation with a religion, which is to say that the religion has a hand in the governance of a hospital. This is the case with many Catholic and Muslim hospitals across the world and, to a lesser extent, certain Protestant denominations. It is not to be used when a hospital has a historical affiliation and merely retains a religious name, e.g. NewYork-Presbyterian or St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. For this reason, I've removed the religion property from NYP on Wikidata.

Moreover, this is why I don't think an ideology parameter would be useful. The ideology may very well influence a hospital's general philosophy (although I cannot think of many hospitals like this), it does not govern the hospital per se. Also, as just a practical matter, I think most people would make a distinction between religion and ideology, making the combination of the two problematic. Ergo Sum 18:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: You seem to have knowledge or insight which is not obvious to me. Why do you think that a Catholic or Muslim hospital has strong enough ties to religion to merit a religion tag, but a Presbyterian hospital does not merit that tagging? Do you have an opinion about whether Houston Methodist Hospital is Methodist, Hong Kong Buddhist Hospital is Buddhist, or Hindu Mission Hospital, Chennai is Hindu? Why not St. Jude? They have a highly relevant religious icon who matches the unusual direction of their treatment - is it not very strange to suggest that the unusual values for which everyone knows Saint Jude are not a basis for the hospital's unusual philosophy? How are you drawing the line? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: I've already stated my drawn line above. It's when the religion actually governs the hospital, rather than when it merely "motivates/guides/informs" its philosophy. It's no less clear than the way the religious_affiliation parameter is used in {{Infobox university}}; one would not say that Princeton University is Presbyterian, even though it was founded as a Presbyterian seminary and retains some loose ties to that today. The same is true for e.g. St. Jude's; the article states "St. Jude is not a Catholic hospital and is not affiliated with any religious organization" but it does have ties. On the other hand, Calvary Hospital would be an example of one that is governed by a religious institution. The line seems quite clear to me. Ergo Sum 17:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: I am not satisfied with that example either. I created Coeducation at Princeton University because the school's legacy hatred for women, Jews, blacks, and Catholics is still a core of its identity and practice today. They are more open now but despite their marketing decades of institutionalization to promote one religious ideology and suppress others is not erased by a couple of generations. It was not so long ago that anyone who said women could take classes with men were only seen as social degenerates. We do service to no one by rewriting history to match trends in branding and advertising. The alumni who donate to the school and influence it with funding are still the ones who attended as students believing that education there was for a certain class and gender and ideology of student and not for others.

I see no reason to believe it is different with other organizations like hospitals. I disagree that "professed religious affiliation" should be featured to the exclusion of "historical religious affiliation". What source is there to say that current branding is a better label than the more obvious and clear historical affiliation? I can agree with your line that there is a distinction between more religious and less religious; but why do you think that distinction is more important than "never religious" and "founded in religion"? I think that I prefer a religion tag to mean "founded in religion", but I want to hear your view. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: With that approach, one moves very quickly into the realm of WP:ORIGINAL and WP:GEVAL. Moreover, I have participated in establishing consensus on the use of a religion parameter for most other infoboxes that use it in this fashion and your proposal would be outside that established consensus. For that reason, I would not support it. Ergo Sum 18:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: Do you expect that users will provide a citation to a source to determine when it is appropriate to post into the religion field? When you have used this field in other contexts, is the precedent to cite a source that meets the usual WP:RS? Can you show an example of the use of this parameter with a good citation?

You mentioned the wiki article citation for St. Jude; this citation is to the hospital's own claim that they are neither Catholic nor affiliated with Catholicism. I can accept that, but again, I question whether difficult-to-prove contemporary positions are more relevant than easier-to-prove historical roots. It is not quickly obvious to me that religious founders would give an organization a religious name but there be no reason for Wikimedia projects to note that in some way, whether in English Wikipedia or Wikidata. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Not necessarily. Per WP:INFOBOXREF, claims in an infobox that are cited in the main text (which they should be) need not be cited in the infobox itself. However, more citations never hurt, especially for potentially contentious claims. Ergo Sum 19:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: Can you show me an instance where a religious claim in an infobox has backing to a cited claim in the body of the text? I am wondering if wiki editors are making determinations in the infobox based on reliable sources or original research.

• How does wiki practice determine the relative importance of historical religious affiliation to contemporary affiliation (Should Wikipedia feature neither, one, or both in infobox?)
• To what extent do the cited sources make the line clear between "religious enough to note" and "ceased being religious" (for contemporary affiliation, should we presume by default that Catholics and Muslim organizations are still religious enough to note, while Presbyterian and some other institutions are too secular to note?)

Thanks for whatever you can show. I continue to enjoy discussing this very interesting issue with you and hope you feel the same way. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Sure, using {{Infobox university}} because it has long had a religious affiliation parameter, Boston College, Georgetown University, and Notre Dame come to mind quickly as articles that explicitly cite the religious nature of the institutions. For that reason, the infoboxes reflect it. The sources make no such distinction that you identify between present and past religious affiliation. For those that have a past affiliation, it can certainly be mentioned in the text, but the infobox should not become bloated with information that is no longer pertinent today, just as it would not be reasonable to include the historical size of a student body. As for the degree of religiosity, that is up to reliable sources to establish, not wikipedia editors. However, wikipedia is nonetheless bound by its principles of verifiability and undue weight. So, editors must exercise discretion. Ergo Sum 19:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Change parameter output: Emergency room –> Emergency department

The infobox rendering for "Emergency" should be Emergency department. ED is the preferred term amongst professionals, as the vast majority of facilities provide much more than just a "room" for their patients. – S. Rich (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps I am mistaken in my request. Seems I misread an article with the Hospital template as showing "Emergency room". So, please "Never mind". – S. Rich (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Mapframe maps?

{{Infobox building}} and {{Infobox shopping mall}} have both recently been updated to automatically show dynamic mapframe maps by default. I am proposing to similarly show such maps by default for this template, with the same optional parameters to adjust the size, frame center point, initial zoom level, and marker icon; and to similarly allow the mapframe map to be turned off using |mapframe=no. See Template:Infobox building#Mapframe maps and Template talk:Infobox building#Change to the map parameter so Kartographer works for further information. (FYI: I'm making similar proposal for other buildings infobox templates) - Evad37 [talk] 15:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done - Evad37 [talk] 09:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Evad37: Thank you.

However, can you please also allow stroke configuration? That red is too aggressive. Betterkeks (talk) 13:02, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Betterkeks: Done, you can now use |mapframe-stroke-color= or |mapframe-stroke-colour= to set the stroke colour. - Evad37 [talk] 02:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Evad37: Thank you.Betterkeks (talk) 02:58, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Something needs to be done with all the hospitals which already had a map type image in their infobox as they now look clumsy e.g. Royal London Hospital for example. ElshadK (talk) 15:59, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps the settings could be made such that the dynamic mapframe maps only appear in articles that do not already have a map? Dormskirk (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The infobox images (including the maps) do not currently seem to be visible when using mobile devices. I think this may be caused by the dynamic maps. Try looking, for example, at St Bartholomew's Hospital or Royal London Hospital using an android mobile phone. Dormskirk (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

The infobox images including the static map but not the dynamic map now seem to be visible again when using an android mobile phone. Dormskirk (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

"Lists" parameter

What is the point of the "lists" parameter? Why is it important to link to a list of other hospitals in the infobox of a specific hospital? It seems a bit out of place to me. All hospital articles are already categorised into "Hospitals in XXX" so it seems redundant. I suggest that the list parameter be removed. Morris Schaffer (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It is not needed as the lists can be put in the "see also" section. 86.17.13.130 (talk) 09:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposed staff parameter

Number of staff is included as a parameter in all other templates for organizations. I propose that we add a staff parameter here as well. --Anneamel (talk) 18:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Construction/opening dates

With support and no objection over the last couple weeks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hospitals, please replace "|founded" with "| completion_date" parameters, which would display "Opened" in the infobox, while also adding "| start_date" which would display "Construction started" in the infobox. This is similar to the parameters for building and other structure infoboxes which would be more clear than just a founding date which we have now (can vaguely mean conception, construction, or opening). Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Why not just |opened= to match |closed=? I responded in detail at the talk page linked above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I responded there as well. I've looked through the building parameters, and would also like to add an essential parameter to this request: |former_names= - I can already think of Mackenzie Richmond Hill Hospital where this would also be helpful. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I have added |opened=, because it seems uncontroversial and useful. Additional |constructed= and |former-names= parameters are in the sandbox. See Template:Infobox hospital/testcases for a demonstration. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. The demonstration looks good. Any indication when the other two will be added? After all, there is support from another editor, with no objection for over two weeks, and are optional parameters. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to make sure you were happy with the placement and wording of the new parameters. It is not good practice to make a bunch of individual edits to an active template, since it clogs up the job queue that refreshes articles; it's better to make multiple changes with a single edit. Since you're happy with the sandbox, I have updated the live template. Let me know if there are any problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I have just noticed that displaying "Constructed" in the infobox may give a redundant connotation as "Opened" since "Constructed" would mean when it was finished—which could imply its opening. That is why I initially wanted the infobox to display "Construction started". I'm sorry I did not catch that previously. Would it be possible to adjust |constructed= to |construction-start= or similar? Building infoboxes do have "Constructed started" as well as "Completed" which is basically the same as "Constructed", but I think the most important part here, is when the construction started and then when it opened. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I have adjusted the label. The next step is for you to add the new parameters, and appropriate descriptions, to the template's documentation. The documentation is not protected, so you can edit it to your heart's content to get the parameter descriptions and examples just the way you want them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and done. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Public transit

Can someone add parameters for transit here? This is pretty important connection information, available in many infoboxes like {{Infobox station}}, {{Infobox shopping mall}}, {{Infobox museum}}, {{Infobox park}}, and more. ɱ (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Support. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support, circumstance is analogous. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

When you post an edit request, please post the exact change that you wish to be made. This generally happens as a result of a discussion. You don't necessarily have to know the code that you want to use, although that helps. In this case, find one similar template that works exactly the way you want this one to work (ideally one that has good documentation for the parameter that you want to add), and propose a modification to this template based on that similar one. If you are ambitious, you could even add the code to this template's sandbox and create a couple of test cases on the testcases page that show how the new parameter would work.

Once consensus has been established about the exact (functional or technical) changes that are desired, that is the time to use an edit request template. Since there is already one here, change "answered=yes" to "answered=no" once a specific change has been agreed upon, and a template editor will visit this page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I think it's fairly clear that User:Ɱ would like |publictransit= added, which would display "Public transit access". Correct me if I'm wrong. I see no reason why anyone would oppose this, but I suppose we can wait to see if anyone else comments. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Also FYI - I am asking for this to be added to {{Infobox library}} and {{Infobox airport}}, two places I and many others travel to/from on public transit; access/services should be noted. ɱ (talk) 18:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I wish I could be more clear. Please be more specific about what you want. What should the label say? Should it be exactly the same as the museum/shopping mall/park infoboxes, which is "Public transit access", or is there a reason for the label to be different here? Where in the infobox should it appear (i.e. in which section, below or above which existing label)? I am willing to make changes to this template and others, but I want to ensure that the design choices are made by the editors who are requesting the change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hm, this is the one infobox that has labeled sections out of all. I think it would best fit at the end of 'Services', similar to how helipad indicates a transport service. Otherwise place just above website, like the other infoboxes do? Then that section could be renamed 'Other information'. ɱ (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Please take a look at Template:Infobox hospital/testcases, the first test case. Does the public transit field in the sandbox version look reasonable to you? If so, I will copy it over to the live template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks. ɱ (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The parameter seems to be working when I tested it on a hospital in page preview, however, it doesn't look like the parameter is appearing in the infobox on the template page. I've purged the page multiple times, so I think there may be an error with the code for its display? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

(←) It needed to be added to the documentation page. I added some just now. ɱ (talk) 01:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

"Type" parameter

I propose a minor modification to the current "Hospital type" parameter. I think it would be better if it just read "Type", as the hospital bit seems to be redundant as we already know that the article is about a hospital. This would bring it into line with other articles like Template:Infobox organization, which uses a "Type" parameter instead of "Organisation type". Elshad (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. The word "Hospital" was redundant. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

State and Country

I noticed on a large number of hospital articles, they were adding a link in the |state = and |country = fields of this template. When this is done the Lists of hospitals by state or country is not generated by the template. I added a comment to the Tutorial in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals/Tutorials page. I am wondering if this is something the template could fix automatically or else add an explanation in the Infobox hospital/doc description.

For instance, see Charity Hospital (New Orleans), which uses
| State = [[Louisiana]]
| Country = [[United States]]

It does not show a Lists: but Louisiana and United States are linked in the Location:

If you get rid of the links, it adds Lists: List of hospitals in Louisiana to the Infobox. I think it is probably more important to link to the List of hospitals in State or Country than to add a link to the State and country in the Location: The doc description should explain not to add the links in the Country and State fields.

G. Moore Talk to G Moore 19:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

The template does not work with country = Saint Lucia See Victoria Hospital (Saint Lucia)

The template does not work with country = Gabon See Hôpital Albert Schweitzer

-- Talk to G Moore 13:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

There is no article at List of hospitals in Gabon, and there is no article at List of hospitals in Saint Lucia, so no link is created in the infobox. If such a page existed, a link would appear. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Philippines

The Philippines uses its own variant of English—which is almost similar to the one used in the United States (and Canada, kinda)—so it should use the American spelling of "Organisation". —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 13:28, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Needed Infobox hospital

I have been cleaning up the Category:Hospital articles needing infoboxes. Currently, there are only 256 to go. There were about 400 when I started a couple of months ago. When the number gets to zero, I will work on the Category:Hospital articles needing coordinates. It would be nice to have a bot look at the Hospital articles and remove "needs-coord=Yes" or change it to "needs-coord=No" for those articles that already have a coordinate. This was done for the "needs-infobox" and it has helped. My spot check of the "needs-coord=Yes" articles showed many that already had coordinates but the "needs-coord=Yes" was still on the talk page. Does anyone know how to make this happen? -- Talk to G Moore 05:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Infobox parameters cleanup

Over the past couple of months I've made some substantial progress in cleaning up a number of articles in Category:Pages using infobox hospital with unknown parameters to a point where all articles are now using the correct parameters. I've tried my best to appropriately complete this task but in some instances the information within some articles just wasn't easy enough to correct so where I felt it absolutely appropriate the content in the parameters was removed. Hoping that some other members here can help keep an eye on this task as I won't as active as normal on Wikipedia in the coming months. Mrbuskin (talk) 10:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mrbuskin: Thank you for your work on this hospital maintenance issue. Do you know about how many articles you had to clean up. I have added this category to the Category:WikiProject Hospitals maintenance so that we can monitor any new issues with infobox. We are just about finished adding infobox hospital to all articles requiring one, only a little over 100 to go. Where there particular unknown parameters that occurred most frequently, perhaps from earlier versions of the infobox template? WP:HOS -- Talk to G Moore 12:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@G. Moore: Roughly 400-500 articles in total I think. Most commonly it's irrelevant parameters like director, ceo, and various other parameters which people have made up. I've also noticed that a lot of the templates aren't being used in full which impacts article expansion at later dates, normally in these cases I copy the whole template and then migrate the data over so if someone wants to add to it the whole template is there for them. Thanks for adding it into the maintenance tab, hopefully people can keep an eye on it so it doesn't get out of control again. I'll have a look at the articles without infoboxes and see what I can do there for the project. Mrbuskin (talk) 12:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Image & map sizings

Take, for instance, the use of this infobox on Royal Victoria Hospital, Bournemouth (specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victoria_Hospital,_Bournemouth - not the mobile version). That has an image, width 220px, followed by a map, width 270px, followed by another map, width 220px. Why is the middle of these three 270px and not 220px? Might it be changed so that we have consistently-sized images & maps. thx --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: It's your set-up™ - I see them at 300px-270px-225px, respectively. (That's not to say the display could not be improved.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

CEO

We seem to be lacking a parameter for Chief Executive Officer, director, or synonymous leader roles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• I see CEO as a somewhat irrelevant parameter, most hospital CEO's aren't important enough to warrant attention and they tend to change at a rate that would be unsustainable to maintain accurate information. Just my thoughts but others might feel different. Mrbuskin (talk) 10:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
  • We have equivalent leadership parameters in infoboxes about companies, universities, schools and other such institutions. In the UK, at least, such CEOs regularly feature in news media. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Maps for Rajasthan, India hospitals

@Jonesey95: I am trying to include push-pin maps for hospitals in Category:Hospitals in Rajasthan. The only way I could get a map was to include the following in the Infobox hospital:

| map_type              = India Rajasthan#India
| map_size              = 200px 

Am I doing something wrong or does this happen another way? -- Talk to G Moore 12:48, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

That looks like it is working in Mathura Das Mathur Hospital. Do you want it to look different? You do not need to include the |map_size= or #India. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hospital system/healthcare system

I've been working on a couple of hospital articles, and it seems that it might be helpful to have a healthgroup infobox. i.e., Tenet Healthcare is in fact a company and could use the either the hospital or the company infobox, but both are missing fields from each that could make a good infobox. What do you guys think? I'm envisioning total beds, total number of properties, religious affiliation, university affiliations, revenue, etc. Taylor2646 (talk) 22:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried embedding infobox company into this one? See Vivantes Hospital Group for an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles on healthcare groups that manage hospitals, rely on lists or templates to show the managed hospitals. The Hospitals template is for an individual hospital. Tenet manages 65 hospitals, according to their website. A short description of the hospitals that they manage could be included in a section of the article, also. It wouldn't make sense to embed all 65 hospitals in the article on Tenent Healthcare. The category Tenet Healthcare does show all their notable hospitals with articles. -- Talk to G Moore 12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)