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Denmark single gaps

There's a 2008 sheet that has 7,500 gold and 15,000 platinum here. Don't know when exactly it was published but the earliest one I found is June 25 2008 from the archive date. The same page is used until April 19 2009. I also found that there was an update in December 2009 where gold singles were 15,000 and platinum were 30,000 per archive.org. I can find the same page until February 15th 2010. Don't know if you already have it. Overall, I believe July 2008-March 2009 and December 2009-January 2010 are for sure. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The levels for Denmark, for all time periods are known and sourced at the IFPI Danmark. Are you having problems with the template bringing up incorrect results?--Harout72 (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

According to the template documentation: Denmark has "Unknown thresholds between January and September 2007 for albums/videos, October 2007 and August 2010 for singles". Unless the template documenation wasn't updated? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

The levels for albums are known for the time between January and September 2007, the levels were amended on February 1, 2007. The levels for Singles for the periods of October 2007 and August 2010 are also known. Starting April 1, 2009, the levels for singles are here. Hopefully, @Muhandes: can fix all that.--Harout72 (talk) 22:12, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done Let me know if I broke anything. --Muhandes (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Seems to work perfectly.--Harout72 (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Denmark albums per update

I'm currently working on the singles/albums per the template adjustments for Denmark. The Ultimate Collection (Whitney Houston album) makes sense to require a certmonth because february 2007 was an album certification change. However, I don't get why Working on a Dream needed a cert month when it was certified in 2009 (the next album cert change was in 2011). On a different side issue, Sound of a Rebel was certified in June 2011 which should make it gold. However, it gives a 0 and when I add the relmonth|5 next to |relyear=2009 it generates 15,000. Am I missing something? Thanks. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: Your last question can be answered with this discussion. IFPI Denmark applied the certification-levels based on release dates prior to July 2012. Therefore, the template for Sound of a Rebel shows 15,000 units for Gold as that was the level for Gold albums before January 7, 2011.--Harout72 (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Harout72: Okay. Your explanation help solved Working on a Dream as well. Now I'd have to check whether I used relyear / certyear for the denmark ones I updated. Thanks --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I'll just add that due to implementation issues, certmonth, certday etc. may be required even if it is not apparent why. This is because for some regions (Denmark included), the period determination code is shared between albums and singles. Just feed it a date and it should be fine. --Muhandes (talk) 07:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay. I see as with Sounds of the Universe and The Fame Monster. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Belgium certification confusion

Hello. I've tried to correct the Belgium certification for The Police (album), but I keep getting 0 for sales. Template says I need: "certyear and relyear and sometimes relmonth and certmonth". The article has |relyear=2007|relmonth=6|relday=8|certyear=2007. The only thing I tried to add was |certmonth=6 as the rest was there. I've tried combinations of the four parameters but still getting 0. What am i missing? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: This was missing from the documentation (and now I added it). The explanation can be found in Belgian Entertainment Association. We have a source for album certification thresholds before 2006. We have a source for certification thresholds from October 2007. We don't have a source for the thresholds between those dates, so the template returns "0". You can either research this further and find a source which would be great, or more simply, you can use nosales=yes to remove the number entirely since it is unknown to us. --Muhandes (talk) 11:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Muhandes: I came across this article on Billboard, which speaks of the album Inventaire by a French singer released on April 16, 2007. The artcle states it's gone Gold in Belgium for 10,000. As we already know, Belgium applies their lower/domestic certification-levels to non-Belgian French sung albums. So this goes to show that although IFPI 2007 has been published in October, Belgium had lowered its levels by April 1, 2007 for sure. The previous levels for Belgium can be seen here on page 23. So we can program the template to bring up Gold=15,000, Platinum=30,000 effective April 1, 2007 (that is for international repertoire). In my opinion they've made the change before that, but I need to do some more research into that to make sure of it.--Harout72 (talk) 01:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Sure, that gives us four more months. Still 16 months we need to cover. --Muhandes (talk) 06:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I didn't test this, but the template should now report the current values from April 2007. --Muhandes (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Tested, The Police (album) now works. --Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Awesome! One more certification fixed :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:18, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Discord link

Hello. I'm wondering if anyone would like to join me on Wikipedia:Discord. There is a specific channel for music and I'd be happy to have other music editors join as well :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm on Discord most of the time but I'm not very active (to say the least).--Muhandes (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

New Zealand certs 2007 onwards

Hello. As a followup to Scapolo's book from 1966-2006, I'm wondering if there's a book from 2007 onwards. The reason why I ask is because Sexy Love, Michael Jackson's Vision and In the Now claimed to be certified. Sexy Love is a 2006 song which wasn't certified when it was on the charts until January 2007 and Radioscope's link doesn't start until May 2007. I wouldn't be surprised if it was certified in between these months. Michael Jackson's Vision on the other hand is a 2010 DVD (which didn't chart in NZ). Finally, In the Now doesn't have any certification according to NZ Top 40. If there was another book/reference that covers the remaining years, that'd be amazing. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

ARIA chart accrediations – before 1997

Hello. I'm finding multiple Australian accreditations before 1997 that don't link to the ARIA website (e.g. The Bridge (Billy Joel album) and The Kick Inside. I persume it'd be like NZ where a book reference would be needed i.e. the Kent Report? Should the references to albums/songs pre 1997 be kept to ARIA or directed elsewhere? Thanks. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I think that if no other source is provided, this is a misuse of the template and the certification should be removed since it is unsourced. --Muhandes (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Would the Kent Report have accrediations? Also, would it be a good idea to have an error page for the years before 1997 when they are used in the aussie template? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:08, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

No idea about the Kent Report, I'm not really an expert. As for displaying an error, that's one more for the TDL, I'll look into it next weekend. --Muhandes (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay no worries. The error was just for cosmetic purposes not super needed :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

@Muhandes: I've just found for Janet (album) a citation to the Kent report 1993-2005 edition that says it went 2x platinum. This is confirmed on Aria's website. Therefore I think the Kent Report books Australian Chart Book 1970–1992 and Australian Chart Book (1993–2005) would be very useful to cover the years before 1997. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:43, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

If you intend to use them heavily I can assist with a simple citation template and even incorporate them into this one. If it is just going to be a few citations, there is little point. --Muhandes (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Guys Kent Music Report does have the citations listed. So if we can have a book reference generated that would be awesome. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Let me be blunt. About two weeks ago there was a similar request for New Zealand certifications. It seemed like an interesting proof of concept so I implemented it. To the best of my knowledge, aside from my own minor usages, it was not used even once. I would rather implement things which are used, so this time I ask before I start: are editors going to use this? If so, I'd be happy to help. --Muhandes (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Muhandes, you can have my word that I will use it definitely. Most of the Madonna song articles that I edit have certifications from Kent Music Report before 1997 so the template will be of huge use. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 16:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I would definitely use both the NZ and Aussie books ones. Problem is for me, I don't have access to either of them in a physical book copy. Therefore, I personally can't use the templates unless I was 100% certain that the information is supported before I use them. My personal preference. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Fine, I'll put it on my TDL as well. Just to clarify, we are talking about three books:

• Kent, David (2010). Australian chart book (1993–2009). Turramurra, N.S.W.: Australian Chart Book. ISBN 978-0-646-52995-0.
• Kent, David (1993). Australian chart book (1970–1992). St Ives, N.S.W.: Australian Chart Book. ISBN 978-0-646-11917-5.
• Kent, David (2005). Australian chart book (1940–1969). Turramurra, N.S.W.: Australian Chart Book. ISBN 978-0-646-44439-0.

There is also an old 1993–2005 book, is there a need to provide that as well? --Muhandes (talk) 07:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so as it would overlap with the 1993-2009 one. Again, I don't have access to any of Kent's books so I can't personally use them either. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Muhandes: hope you don't mind I replaced the isbn-10 format with isbn-13 in the above references. They look fine and can be incorporated in the template. I do have the 1970-1992 book which I have used for the Madonna articles to verify. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

MrLinkinPark333, IndianBio, Muhandes – before we implement anything we should check out the books. I've seen the 1970-1992 book on a number of occasions and I don't think it includes certifications, although I could be wrong. I don't know if the 1993-2005 book does. The person to ask here will be Nqr9 who owns copies of the books and can confirm for us. Richard3120 (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Richard3120: *facepalm* you are very right. Its not he Kent Music Report which has the certification. Its Gavin Ryan's Australia's Music Charts 1988–2010 which has them. I'm so sorry guys I completely forgot which one was which, apologies. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 15:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Better to catch it before it is implemented than after. I assume you we are referring to

• Ryan, Gavin (2011). Australia’s Music Charts 1988–2010. Mt Martha, Vic: Moonlight Publishing.

IndianBio, if you still find this useful, I will try to implement it this weekend. --Muhandes (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Unlike the David Kent books, the Gavin Ryan one isn't in the British Library - we'd need someone who has access to it to be able to check certifications... maybe Ss112 has it?

Update: I've just realised that IndianBio talks above about using the book for certifications in the past... I assume you meant Ryan's book rather than Kent's, and that you in fact have access to Australian certifications for us? Richard3120 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Muhandes, I understand your annoyance that nobody has used the NZ book citation that you implemented. The truth is that on flicking through the book while looking for various chart peaks, I noticed very few songs had certifications... it might even be fewer than 100 in the whole book. I don't know if this is due to few singles reaching the certification levels or many singles not applying for accreditation, but the upshot is that there won't be many song articles that will use it anyway. I don't live in the UK which makes things harder, but what I will do is the next time I am in the Library I will take a couple of hours to go through the whole book and note every song that has been certified, and then add them to the relevant articles. Richard3120 (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

My mistake for assuming Kent Report had accrediations. I assumed as Kent Report was the official chart before ARIA made theirs. In regards to NZ - the ones in particular I'd like to confirm/dismiss are Rock with You and Wuthering Heights (song). In a way, having only a handful of them in this particular NZ book means it can be checked more quickly and serve as a backup to the website as well in my opinion :) @Richard3120: --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I've got "Wuthering Heights" in NZ – it was a platinum disc, which isn't surprising as I think it was NZ's no. 1 single of 1978. I didn't check Michael Jackson's listings, I'm afraid. To give you an idea of how even the biggest artists failed to receive many gold or platinum discs in NZ... Queen, Dire Straits and Simply Red only have one certified single each... Elton John, the Police and Madness don't have any at all.

The Kent Report became the official Australian chart in retrospect – I think ARIA only adopted and licensed it officially from 1983 onwards, although Kent had been compiling it since 1974 under his own steam. ARIA started producing their own chart in-house in 1989, and so this is when full ARIA charts started. But Kent was never responsible for handing out certifications – there was an Australian certifying body in the 1970s and 80s, but I don't know much about how they were awarded at that time. Richard3120 (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Okay do you know which page number for Wuthering Heights? I'd need to replace the NZ citation with the book as it current cites Radioscope. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Yep, just done it for you. :-) I'm going to add a few others that I have. Richard3120 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Awesome! Oh and before I forget, could you check for I Just Can't Stop Loving You by Michael Jackson 1987? Came across it yesterday and oddly the website doesn't have it. It could be a false accrediation. @Richard3120: --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me @Richard3120:. None of David Kent's books contain ARIA certifications. Gavin Ryan's books (1988-2008 was a single chart-only book; 1988-2010 contains both singles and albums charts data) contain certifications, but are now both out of print (see https://ozmusicbooks.com/product/australias-music-charts-1988-2010/ ). I have a copy of the pdf edition of the 1988-2010 book - I'm happy to share this with editors who are actually going to use it to add info from it to wikipedia - my user page has a link where you can email me. That being said, I have noticed that there are a small number of certications from 1988-1989 missing from this book, perhaps because they were not annotated on the printed top 50 charts, which were available in record stores, until April 1989. ARIA licensed the top 50 portion of the Kent Music Report chart from mid-1983 until the first ARIA-produced chart (chart survey date 13 June 1988, equating to the week ending 26 June 1988 printed top 50 chart). I have seen pictures of a Kent Music Report from 1982 or thereabouts that lists a number of singles and albums that received gold or platinum accreditation in the preceding 6 months or so, but there is no mention of ARIA from memory. David Kent's books, though, do not list certifications. The certifications for singles and albums were also higher pre-1989 (50k for gold and 100k for platinum).Nqr9 (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Here's the photo of the Kent Music Report, listing accreditations, that I was referring to. It is from the 28 February 1983 edition - https://i.imgur.com/qEpQpFx.jpg . There were a few more listed on the following page.Nqr9 (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

A further note about Gavin Ryan's books - the physical, printed editions do not contain page numbers. The pdf edition of the 1988-2010 book, however, of course does. The book was also sold as a CD-ROM, but I do not own it. So... when citing this book as a reference, I now specify that it was the pdf edition, and add the relevant page number(s). This issue came up a while ago with @IndianBio: in relation to Madonna chart positions between 51-100, if I remember correctly.Nqr9 (talk) 08:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

To complicate matters further with pre-1990 ARIA certifications, the charts did not specify the level of platinum for multi-platinum certifications, so e.g. Kylie Minogue's 'Kylie' album is listed with just two adjacent triangles to indicate multi-platinum status on the top 100 albums of 1989 chart (see https://i.imgur.com/aaFG1cy.png ), when its actual certification level was 4x platinum.Nqr9 (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes @Nqr9: the issue cropped up during the Madonna certifications. What do you suggest in terms of implementing this book in the certification template? Should we also include a note that editors can email you for any certification listing present or not? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:28, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: I don't really want to be responsible for answering everyone's queries on ARIA certifications, but I'm happy to share the pdf of the out of print book (if that is permitted to advertise here) for editors using it to add certifications/chart positions between 51-100 from this era with references.Nqr9 (talk) 10:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done With Nqr9's generous offer, I'm certain this will come handy, so I went ahead and implemented it. It was much easier the second time.

• First, {{cite Ryan|page=XXX}}, a simple template to cite this book with just a few letters. For example: Madonna's "Oh Father" peaked at peaked at #59 in January 1990 in Australia.

References

• Second, {{cite certification}} accepts recent=book for using Ryan's book, with id for page number.

* {{Cite certification|region=Australia|type=single|certyear=2017}}
* {{Cite certification|region=Australia|recent=book|id=45}}

Creates:

• "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 2017 Singles" (PDF). Australian Recording Industry Association.
• "ARIA Top 50 Albums for week of 45". Australian Recording Industry Association. 45. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• Finally, and probably most useful, this can be used with {{Certification Table Entry}}:

{{Certification Table Entry|region=Australia|type=album|award=Platinum|recent=book|id=5}}

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)	Platinum	70,000^

References

As usual, let me know if I broke anything, or anything else needs to be added. Happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Just one thing - Gavin Ryan's book does not contain positions 51-100 from between the first ARIA-produced chart survey (13 June 1988) and the last ARIA chart survey of 1989 (18 December 1989), as this was before the full top 100 was made publicly available in The ARIA Report, first published in January 1990. So that Edie Brickell & New Bohemians "Circle" peak given as an example does not actually appear in the book, but I had to ask ARIA for it (and have cited a different reference on that page). An example of a peak you could use is Madonna's "Oh Father", which peaked at #59 in January 1990, and is listed on the book on page 174.Nqr9 (talk) 03:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I replaced the example with the one you suggested. --Muhandes (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm interested in using the template too, but there are some articles in Category:Cite certification used with missing parameters that peaked at #1-50 in Australia so they can't be resolved with Ryan i.e Tusk (album), Wish (The Cure album) and That's the Way Love Goes (Janet Jackson song). Is there another book/pdf file that has 1-50 with certifications for Australia? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: Gavin Ryan's book is 1988 to 2010, so the Cure and Janet Jackson records should be in there, shouldn't they? With regards to Fleetwood Mac and other pre-ARIA era certifications before 1989... the Australian editors may be able to confirm this, but I was under the impression that they only appeared on the original Kent Report newsletters/chart sheets from the time, and I don't think these are now available. Richard3120 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Then I'm confused with Nqr9's comment about Ryan's book only having 51-100 chart positions. I thought that meant any album/song peaking above 50 will not be there. Did i misunderstand? Cure and Janet Jackson both peaked at #1 --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 04:00, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: I think what Nqr9 is saying is that for 1988 to 1989 the book only has top 50 placings, and expands to a top 100 from 1990 onwards. This shouldn't be an issue, as it's unlikely that a song that peaked outside the top 50 in any year will have sold enough to gain a certification. Richard3120 (talk) 11:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay. @Nqr9: I'm definitely interested in the PDF copy so I can determine whether articles that claim to be certified before 1997 are indeed valid such as Crossroads (Tracy Chapman album). I guess I'll have to remove The Kick Inside and The Bridge (Billy Joel album) as Ryan doesn't cover ones before 1988 (unless there's another book?). --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: OK, there's a link on my userpage where you can email me directly. I can confirm that Tracy Chapman's 'Crossroads' album is listed as being 2x platinum in Gavin Ryan's book (I think I added that, or at least the reference, to her discography page). Neither 'The Bridge' nor 'The Kick Inside' appear in Gavin Ryan's book, but could have been certified more-recently than 2010 - in which case, they'd be listed in The ARIA Reports archived on the Pandora Archive. Gavin Ryan's book does not list weekly charts, but lists entry date, peak position, weeks in top 10/50/100, and exit date for each entry, as well as any certification the release received.Nqr9 (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nqr9: Alrighty! Thank you for sharing the PDF copy. I'm working through articles that have "no certyear was provided for australian certification". Did I cite the book correctly as in I'm Ready (Tevin Campbell album)? I used the Ryan template per above. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: Looks good to me.Nqr9 (talk) 04:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Bug when coupled with Certification Cite Ref

On The Joshua Tree, I can't seem to fix a certification reference created by this template that I am trying to reuse with {{Certification Cite Ref}}. Specifically, it is for the United Kingdom, for the 9x platinum certification - all other regions for which I am creating a table entry and then re-using the certification ref in the article body work fine. The reference itself displays an error that says "Cite error: Invalid

References

• You can use {{Certification Table Entry|region=Philippines|certyear=|certmonth=|domestic=}}

{{certification Table Top}}
{{Certification Table Entry|region=Philippines|title=Constant Change|artist=Jose Mari Chan|type=album|award=Diamond|domestic=true|certyear=1990|accessdate=2018-12-28|date=March 2016}}
{{certification Table Bottom|noshipments=true}}

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Philippines (PARI)	Diamond	400,000*
* Sales figures based on certification alone.

References

This will report "0" sales from 2003 to March 2004, though this is only relevant to one or two albums:

{{Certification Table Entry|region=Philippines|title=Sabi Ng Kanta|artist=Aiza Seguerra|type=album|award=Gold|domestic=true|certyear=2003|certmonth=12|accessdate=2018-12-28|date=March 2016}}

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Philippines (PARI)	Gold	0*

References

--Muhandes (talk) 12:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Usage examples Hulog Ka Ng Langit#Certifications, Constant Change#Certifications and sales, What I Do Best#Certifications.--Muhandes (talk) 13:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Australian accrediations before 1988

Hello again. I'm searching for articles that have accreditation before 1988 that are currently pointing to ARIA i.e. "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 1980". The reason why is because Ryan's book goes from 1988-1997 (with some exceptions) and ARIA has 1997 onwards. Problem is, I'm finding albums/songs before 1988 that claim to be accredited in Australia but are not in Ryan's book nor ARIA. Of the ones I've found, 9 of them have the error page NO certyear was provided for Australian Certification and has the category Cite certification used with missing parameters. However, others like The Kick Inside and Turbo (Judas Priest album) have a false link to ARIA and Ryan doesn't have the year covered. I was wondering if all of these certifications that can't currently be confirmed be pointed into one error category. That way, when we do find a source that covers these years, these ones can be rechecked. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: there definitely were certifications awarded in Australia in the pre-ARIA years, but I don't know who were responsible for awarding them... this might be another one to ask Nqr9 about. I suspect the only place to find these certifications might be on the Kent Report chart sheets produced at the time. I do know that some Australian chart followers consider the early certifications to be somewhat dubious. Richard3120 (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Yep. @Nqr9: has generously sent me a copy of the first ARIA report that'd help fix the citation for The Miracle (album) and Batman (album) and also has other certifications from July-December 1989. As for Kent Report, Nrq9 has also sent me a 1983 Kent Report that has certifications from 1982. Both sources would be very helpful as Ryan doesn't have these two albums (despite both from 1989) and Ryan doesn't cover 1982 as his years are from 1988-2010. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't know of any published source for pre-1989 ARIA certifications other than what I have already sent @MrLinkinPark333: via email. I did not take the photos of the Kent Music Report form February 1989 listing gold and platinum certifications from 1982 - somebody who photographed all of the Kent/Australian Music Reports housed in the National Library of Australia sent me those; though I am not sure that he photographed every page within every report. There were no similar listings of other years I saw among the files he sent me. One other issue is that the levels for gold and platinum pre-1989 were different - from memory, it was 50k for gold and 100k for platinum for singles prior to then, and 25k for gold and 50k for platinum for albums. The 1983 Kent Music Report listings I sent @MrLinkinPark333: specify this. However, albums/singles re-certified after 1988 have the standard 35k gold/70k platinum for both singles and albums.Nqr9 (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay @Nqr9: I guess I'll leave the Kent Report certifications alone for now as it has different certification levels than the Australia certification template currently supports. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Australian video gold certification question

Hello. I added a gold certifcation for Live in Texas (Linkin Park album) and it gave me 17,500 sales. This confuses me as ARIA says it's 7,500 for a video/dvd. Since 2006, the gold level for DVDs was 7,500. I can't confirm if this is the case as this DVD was certified in 2004. Also, if I change the certyear to 2006 (without saving), it still says 17,500.--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: Congratulations! you are the very first editor to use this feature and actually look at the resulting number... This error has been with us since I created this template in January 2011, so almost 8 years, and no one noticed it. It is now fixed, thanks for actually looking at the numbers. --Muhandes (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@Muhandes: I can't take credit for it as it was mentioned in the archive as well before I began working with you on these templates. I found the error now but noticed that it was found earlier. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, this is from my long hiatus, no wonder I missed it. --Muhandes (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 dvd certification australia

Hello. I just got an email from ARIA saying that there were no 2018 DVD certifications for Australia. Thought I should let you know in case someone comes across the ARIA website and notices that there is no link for 2018 DVDs. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Just out of interest MrLinkinPark333, have you asked ARIA why they don't publish certifications from 1989 to 1996 on their website? Richard3120 (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Nope. I asked on australian-charts (haven't checked). But since you asked, I might as well check too. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Poland links are broken

Hi @Muhandes: I think we need to update {{Certification Cite/URL}} for Poland as currently it does not work for 2018 and 2019. The code change required is given below:

AS IS
|Poland=http://bestsellery.zpav.pl/wyroznienia/{{#switch:{{{award|}}}||Gold=zlote|Platinum=platynowe|Diamond=diamentowe}}plyty/{{#switch:{{{type|}}}|album=cd|video=dvd|cd}}/archiwum.php?year={{#switch:{{{certyear|}}}||2017=2017|
TO BE:
|Poland=http://bestsellery.zpav.pl/wyroznienia/{{#switch:{{{award|}}}||Gold=zlote|Platinum=platynowe|Diamond=diamentowe}}plyty/{{#switch:{{{type|}}}|album=cd|video=dvd|cd}}/archiwum.php?year={{#switch:{{{certyear|}}}||2019=2019|2018=2018|2017=2017|

—IB ^{[ Poke ]} 15:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

@IndianBio:  Done I have no idea why the code is written in this awkward way, pinging Xxvid who made this edit in 2014 maybe they can explain. Perhaps they didn't know it can be done much more simply. For now I simplified it so it wont require an edit every year (unless one really cares about the default value). --Muhandes (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks lot. You are the best! —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 19:42, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Corrections to the Brazilian certification implemented

Just FYI to whomever cares, the Brazilian certification now supports type=single and also digital=true for albums (singles were always digital). Have fun. --Muhandes (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

FIMI certification

Hi guys FIMI certification url has changed to this. We need to update {{Certification Cite/URL}} template. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@IndianBio: did the format stay the same? --Muhandes (talk) 10:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Muhandes: no the URL is generic now, and we need to add a note guiding the editors to put {{{artist name}}} and {{{certyear}}} in respective boxes. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem, added to my TDL. --Muhandes (talk) 11:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done. You can see how the note guide looks at Template:Cite certification/testcases#Italy and let me know if you had something else in mind. --Muhandes (talk) 10:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Nocert parameter

Hi @Muhandes: and all other participants, I was wondering about the |nocert=true parameter which we use when there is no certification but just the sales. The parameter keeps an empty box under the certification column (seen here in A Star Is Born certification section for Ireland). I was wondering would it be possible that whenever this parameter is invoked, instead of the empty box under the certification column it can replace it with the {{n/a}} template which greys it out? What are your thoughts? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

That'd be interesting to use n/a. I'd also would like to discover which articles are currently using nocert parameter to determine if the missing information is actually available or not. Maybe an accompanying category? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't be against the use of "n/a". @MrLinkinPark333: I suspect the majority of them are either Japanese or French sales figures, and usually for older singles. The editor Dhoffryn has been adding all the sales figures he can find from the French InfoDisc site, although I have told him that the website clearly states that the figures are just estimates by the website's founders, and therefore not official sales figures and shouldn't be included. Richard3120 (talk) 01:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Well I'm also curious about others ones like Denmark for example and whatever else that has an accurate level and can safely remove nocert --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I think the {{n/a}} background color does not fit. Lets call this option 1:

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Argentina (CAPIF)	Platinum	60,000^
Japan	—	66,666
France (SNEP)	Platinum	300,000*
* Sales figures based on certification alone. ^ Shipments figures based on certification alone.

I'm also not sure the term N/A fits, which is why I left it empty. Personally I prefer {{sdash}}, so lets call this option 2:

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Argentina (CAPIF)	Platinum	60,000^
Japan	—	66,666
France (SNEP)	Platinum	300,000*
* Sales figures based on certification alone. ^ Shipments figures based on certification alone.

But I can just an easily use N/A with correct background, which will be option 3:

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Argentina (CAPIF)	Platinum	60,000^
Japan	N/A	66,666
France (SNEP)	Platinum	300,000*
* Sales figures based on certification alone. ^ Shipments figures based on certification alone.

References

Or I can just leave it empty which will be option 4. Lets go for a quick vote. --Muhandes (talk) 18:53, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

• Option 1 or option 2 that's my thought is. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Option 2 or option 3 for me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
• I prefer option 2 as well. Richard3120 (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Option 2 it is. Added to my TDL. --Muhandes (talk) 10:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done, added Category:Pages using certification Table Entry without certification (2,671). --Muhandes (talk) 09:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Muhandes:. I'm seeing if any of them actually have certs. So far, 1 fille & 4 types, 3 (Britney Spears song) and FourFiveSeconds don't but have respective salesrefs. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup

FYI, I finally cleaned Category:Pages using Certification Table Entry-Sales with missing information (1) and Category:Cite certification used with missing parameters (12) and they should remain empty. --Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Good job! —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 12:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Woot! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

IFPI Denmark

Hi @Muhandes:, I've noticed that the IFPI in Denmark have recently updated their site, which now includes a node number and a url for every certification (example: A Star is Born "node number - 7959"). Is it possible to update the template to include the node number to the id parameter similar to the one you did to the UK BPI template? Thanks. Chihciboy (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

This is much more useful, to be able to link directly to a song, instead of having to scroll through pages and pages to find the song you want. But the documentation will need to include a note to tell people that they need to search for the song first, and then click on the result in order to be able to find the required node number, because I can't see any other way of finding the node number that you want. Richard3120 (talk) 02:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I assume the intention is that the id= parameter will be used for the node ID. Added to my TDL, hopefully later today I'll have some time. --Muhandes (talk) 07:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Hang on, @Chihciboy: where does in the link it shows the certification? The only thing I can see in that url is Submitted by ifpi on Tue, 01/29/2019 - 10:34 Tue, 01/22/2019 - 12:00 AlbumLady Gaga & Bradley CooperA Star Is Born (Soundtrack) Universal MusicGuld2019-20237699 . Am I missing where the certification is listed? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

It says "Guld". --Muhandes (talk) 10:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh yes, missed that. Now how do we find out the nodes to populate in the id= parameter? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Use the search e.g. Confessions On A Dancefloor. --Muhandes (talk) 10:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I just realized this same suggestion was made by MrLinkinPark333, see Template talk:Certification Table Entry/Archive 4#Denmark, and the end result was indecisive. @Chihciboy and IndianBio: do you actually intend to go over a significant number of pages and use the node number? I would rather not spend time implementing a feature which is not going to be used extensively. If it is just a few page you can always use the certref parameter. --Muhandes (talk) 10:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not willing to go over again on so many pages. I would say keep it as it is, but if someone wants to use the node, can we keep a provision atleast? Like if the id= parameter is used then the url should generate in the format of http://ifpi.dk/node/{{{id}}} and if no id parameter then the generic certifringer url. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:45, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I took a look at the number of nodes and there are 105 pages in the Certificeringer so far, and each one has like 40 entries on it (that's like 4200 entries from 2011). And each entry is based on the certification level given instead of the record itself (so there are like two or more entries per album/song). This will be exhausting, so I'm all for just a provision. But will changing the id= parameter affect the ones relying on the Hitlisten archives (even though not all certified records were able to chart in there)? Chihciboy (talk) 11:17, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Of course it would be provisional, in the way IndianBio mentioned. The question is, why implement it at all, if no one will use it? --Muhandes (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Chihciboy, IndianBio, and Richard3120:  Done Added the option to specify id and get the node URL. --Muhandes (talk) 15:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Austria certification URL

Hi @Muhandes:, the austria certification link has changed to this url now. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@IndianBio:  Done --Muhandes (talk) 17:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Pages using Certification Table Entry-Sales with missing information

Hello. I'm going through this category and currently fixed The Boy Is Mine (song) and Complicated (Avril Lavigne song). For both, i added the relyear for norway and they dissappeared from the category. Problem is, according to the description of this category: "the sales listed are zero due to missing information, usually certification or release dates." Both of these pages did not have a sales amount as zero so I'm not sure why they were in this category. If the relyear was the issue, wouldnt the zero amount show up? I also checked the remaining 8 and only Party Rock Anthem had a zero amount. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333: These are leftovers from the issue above and should disappear over time. --Muhandes (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Interestlingly, the other six just needed null edits for them to disappear. A few examples are Just Like a Pill, Lose Yourself and Dirrty. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Or waiting a while, they would have removed themselves. This is how automatic category population works. --Muhandes (talk) 00:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I see that for On Top of the World (Imagine Dragons song) the song was certified under streaming for the highest cert. I added |streaming=true to it, but it doesn't seem to make a difference? It's the first I've seen that norway had a streaming equivalanet. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, the plot thickens... It's the first for me too. With your permission, I'm copying this discussion to this one so we can keep the subject together. --Muhandes (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)