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Updated format proposal
editTherequiembellishere, Fulserish, and TheSubmarine, I am proposing that we change the format of this template to something similar to what I've added below, in order to make it slightly less clunky and easy to navigate and read.
Thoughts? Would you all support something like this? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to this, but one benefit of the current template is that we can see Senators' votes on nominees next to each other (e.g. Cruz voted no on Haines, but yes on Austin and you can see this clearly on that template). TheSubmarine (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- As much as I do appreciate the thought of changing the format, odds are this would end up being much larger and longer than the current one either way. In addition to this, the previous cabinet confirmation list used the current format as well. I also agree with TheSubmarine on their statement. Although your proposal possesses a much simpler look, I'm a stern believer in proceeding with precedent. However, something similar to this was used in Cabinet of Donald Trump#Confirmation process timeline, which is similar to the format you've proposed. Again though, kudos to you for trying to find a different solution. Fulserish (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'll join the "not opposed" group. I would like to find a way to make the current template such that not everything is bold though. --WMSR (talk) 23:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- As I said at Talk:Cabinet_of_Joe_Biden/Archive_2#link_to_senate_vote_tallies_in_Confirmation_Votes_table, why not have the final full senate vote under each cabinet position link to the senate vote page, rather than having it as a separate "Sources" section where the external link to the vote is piped as the the candidates name in a separate list? I think this was how it has been done for previous cabinet articles. I think this would be a good incremental step to what was proposed above. If there are no objections, I will give it a go soon. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Seeing no objections in 2.5 months, I went ahead and implemented this change. Let me know if there are any issues or concerns. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Additional data proposal
editCan we add the summary of the votes cast by the Senators at the last table? Like the one here
State | Senator | Party | TBD Michael Regan Environment TBD |
TBD Neera Tanden Budget TBD |
TBD Katherine Tai Trade TBD |
TBD Linda Thomas- Greenfield UN TBD |
TBD Cecilia Rouse CEA TBD |
TBD Isabel Guzman Small Business TBD |
TBD Eric Lander Science TBD |
Summary of Votes cast by Senators | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Yea | Not Voted |
Nay | ||||||||||
Alabama | Richard Shelby | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 0 | 4 |
Alabama | Tommy Tuberville | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 0 | 4 |
Alaska | Lisa Murkowski | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Alaska | Dan Sullivan | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Arizona | Kyrsten Sinema | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Arizona | Mark Kelly | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Arkansas | John Boozman | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Arkansas | Tom Cotton | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 0 | 5 |
California | Dianne Feinstein | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
California | Alex Padilla | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Colorado | Michael Bennet | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Colorado | John Hickenlooper | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Connecticut | Richard Blumenthal | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Connecticut | Chris Murphy | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Delaware | Tom Carper | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Delaware | Chris Coons | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Florida | Marco Rubio | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 1 | 2 |
Florida | Rick Scott | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 0 | 5 |
Georgia | Jon Ossoff | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Georgia | Raphael Warnock | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Hawaii | Brian Schatz | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Hawaii | Mazie Hirono | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Idaho | Mike Crapo | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 1 | 1 |
Idaho | Jim Risch | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Illinois | Dick Durbin | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Illinois | Tammy Duckworth | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Indiana | Todd Young | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Indiana | Mike Braun | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Iowa | Chuck Grassley | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Iowa | Joni Ernst | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 0 | 4 |
Kansas | Jerry Moran | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 2 | 1 |
Kansas | Roger Marshall | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 0 | 5 |
Kentucky | Mitch McConnell | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Kentucky | Rand Paul | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 1 | 4 |
Louisiana | Bill Cassidy | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Louisiana | John Neely Kennedy | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 0 | 2 |
Maine | Susan Collins | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Maine | Angus King | I-D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Maryland | Ben Cardin | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Maryland | Chris Van Hollen | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Massachusetts | Elizabeth Warren | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Massachusetts | Ed Markey | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Michigan | Debbie Stabenow | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Michigan | Gary Peters | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Minnesota | Amy Klobuchar | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Minnesota | Tina Smith | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Mississippi | Roger Wicker | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Mississippi | Cindy Hyde-Smith | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 1 | 1 |
Missouri | Roy Blunt | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Missouri | Josh Hawley | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 0 | 0 | 7 |
Montana | Jon Tester | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Montana | Steve Daines | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 0 | 2 |
Nebraska | Deb Fischer | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Nebraska | Ben Sasse | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Nevada | Catherine Cortez Masto | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Nevada | Jacky Rosen | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Hampshire | Jeanne Shaheen | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Hampshire | Maggie Hassan | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Jersey | Bob Menendez | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Jersey | Cory Booker | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Mexico | Martin Heinrich | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New Mexico | Ben Ray Luján | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New York | Chuck Schumer | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
New York | Kirsten Gillibrand | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
North Carolina | Richard Burr | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 2 | 1 |
North Carolina | Thom Tillis | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 2 | 1 |
North Dakota | John Hoeven | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
North Dakota | Kevin Cramer | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Ohio | Sherrod Brown | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 1 | 0 |
Ohio | Rob Portman | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Oklahoma | Jim Inhofe | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 1 | 1 |
Oklahoma | James Lankford | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 4 | 0 | 3 |
Oregon | Ron Wyden | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Oregon | Jeff Merkley | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Pennsylvania | Bob Casey | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Pennsylvania | Pat Toomey | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 4 | 0 |
Rhode Island | Jack Reed | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Rhode Island | Sheldon Whitehouse | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 1 | 0 |
South Carolina | Lindsey Graham | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
South Carolina | Tim Scott | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 1 | 3 |
South Dakota | John Thune | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
South Dakota | Mike Rounds | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Tennessee | Marsha Blackburn | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 0 | 5 |
Tennessee | Bill Hagerty | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 0 | 4 |
Texas | John Cornyn | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Texas | Ted Cruz | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 1 | 0 | 6 |
Utah | Mike Lee | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 2 | 0 | 5 |
Utah | Mitt Romney | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Vermont | Patrick Leahy | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Vermont | Bernie Sanders | I-D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Virginia | Mark Warner | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Virginia | Tim Kaine | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Washington | Patty Murray | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Washington | Maria Cantwell | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
West Virginia | Joe Manchin | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 1 | 0 |
West Virginia | Shelley Moore Capito | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Wisconsin | Ron Johnson | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 6 | 0 | 1 |
Wisconsin | Tammy Baldwin | D | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 7 | 0 | 0 |
Wyoming | John Barrasso | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 3 | 1 | 3 |
Wyoming | Cynthia Lummis | R | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | 5 | 0 | 2 |
Table transcluded from User:CX Zoom/sandbox/2/C.
To see my Complete Proposed Template, please visit User:CX Zoom/sandbox/2. Thank You.
(data correct as of February 1, 2021 18:00 UTC) CX Zoom (talk) 18:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- CX Zoom, I like this idea. The votes would be cumulative, I assume, rather than for each row individually? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: I favour a cumulative one at the very end of the last table, so that visitors don't have to check each of the rows and then again add them up to check who has voted more Yeas & Nays. CX Zoom (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- CX Zoom, I didn't put two and two together to realize that this was the last of the template's three rows anyways, so I support your proposal. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: Thank You.CX Zoom (talk) 09:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- CX Zoom, I didn't put two and two together to realize that this was the last of the template's three rows anyways, so I support your proposal. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: I favour a cumulative one at the very end of the last table, so that visitors don't have to check each of the rows and then again add them up to check who has voted more Yeas & Nays. CX Zoom (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, CX Zoom. If there aren't any other objections in the next few days, feel free to put the changes in yourself, since it's not protected. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Viewing of the table
editHey all, I'm thinking about moving around the table a little bit, so that the overall format stays the same, but instead of going 8 people across, it only goes 5-6 across, as the table is getting harder to view horizontally both in web browsing. (The mobile app is a bit easier to swipe from side to side, though.) I figure that since all the rows have the "hide" button, it won't affect the viewing of the columns and senators all that much on the people who do use it. So instead of the format being Row of 8, row of 8, row of 7, it would be row of 6, row of 6, row of 6, row of 5 (plus the overall votes at the end). Can I get a consensus on how you guys view this? I can make a mock-up over here in the talk page if it would help you all to visualize it. Nothing else about the table would be changed under my proposal, just making it a little bit easier to read through the cabinet members. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks a bunch! --Negrong502 (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with this at all. If anything, go for it! Fulserish (talk) 19:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support: I too find it difficult to match the correct votes with the correct senators for cabinet designees in the last 2-3 columns and also the vote summary, especially when using desktop view on mobile devices. I guess the current 8×3 format could be replaced with a 6×4 format. CX Zoom (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Removing "TBD"
editWhat would everyone's thoughts be on removing the "TBD" listed in every cell of all of the votes that haven't yet happened? I feel that the TBD in place of the final vote count suffices, and all of the "TBD"s clutter up the table and make it a bit harder to read. Would anyone object to me removing them? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Eric Lander's confirmation
editDue to the vote being a voice vote instead of a roll call, I've made it so that every senator did not vote, as a voice vote doesn't necessarily mean that all senators were in favour; just that no senator made an objection at the time. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)