Template:Did you know nominations/WCPN

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The result was: promoted by Aoidh (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

WCPN

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• ... that one listener was shocked to hear "Erotic City" instead of contemporary Christian music on an Ohio radio station? Source: "Christian radio station changes format: WZLE now belts out pop, rock". May 22, 1999. The Morning Journal. Lorain, Ohio. p. D1.
  • ALT1: ... that readers of The Plain Dealer disagreed with a favorable 2002 review of the Tivoli Audio PAL as it could not reliably tune in an Ohio radio station? Source: "More tales of Tivoli tuners". October 10, 2002. The Plain Dealer. Cleveland, Ohio. p. E10.
  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt

Improved to Good Article status by Nathan Obral (talk). Self-nominated at 06:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC).

•  Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• @Nathan Obral: Good article but I feel as if you could choose a better hook. These hooks are ok but I feel as if better ones could be made. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
  • @Onegreatjoke: I wrote ALT0 while trying to help Nathan figure out a good hook (I didn't do any substantive edits on the actual article). A lot of the options here are wordy and boring. I have experience with hooks like this and how to avoid them. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• @Nathan Obral: Well, it's certainly a shame this has languished so – let's take look. New enough, positively massive, neutral, and plagiarism-free; a little concerned about the use of Fybush.com as a source, it looks like a selfpubbed blog. Not a big fan of either of the hooks; the first is a listener complain, I imagine those aren't uncommon, even if this does get a few clicks by bringing up sexuality and religion. The second seems to fall a little flat. QPQ is not required, so it seems we've got a few small issues to work out. Great job so far! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @Theleekycauldron: Scott Fybush is a subject matter expert who has been published in several notable broadcast publications (Radio World, Current). One of the handful of people I'd trust as an SMX in American broadcasting. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
    • @Nathan Obral: in deference to Sammi Brie, sourcing checks out, but new hooks are still needed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
      • @Theleekycauldron:@Sammi Brie: If I may interject with some hook proposals:

      ALT2: ... that a Christian music radio station in Ohio protested the 1988 movie The Last Temptation of Christ, calling it morally and ethically wrong?

      ALT3: ... that an Ohio radio station's satellite dish was vandalized twice in 1991, believed to be due to one of the stations' host's outspoken support for Clarence Thomas?

      Man, some weird stuff has happened to this radio station. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 22:36, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

      While I personally think ALT3 is a slightly better hook, my concern is that non-American readers may not know who Thomas is and thus may not appreciate the hook as much if it was chosen. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:22, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

      @Nathan Obral and MyCatIsAChonk: weird stuff indeed! Unfortunately, both hooks have sourcing issues; the phrasing of ALT2's "morally and ethically wrong", which also appears in the article, is WP:CLOP, creating an article issue. ALT3 needs attribution, both here and in the article, to the station officials. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

      @Narutolovehinata5:@Theleekycauldron: Ok, I've fixed the close paraphrasing in the article for ALT2. Here are new ALTs addressing both issues pointed out:

      ALT2a: ... that a Christian music radio station in Ohio protested the 1988 movie The Last Temptation of Christ due to its "morally and ethically wrong" content?

      Source:

      ALT3a: ... that an Ohio radio station's satellite dish was vandalized twice in 1991, believed to be due to one of the stations' host's outspoken conservative stances, including support of Supreme Court justice nominee Clarence Thomas?

      ALT3b: ... that an Ohio radio station's satellite dish was vandalized twice in 1991, believed to be due to one of the stations' host's outspoken conservative stances?

      Also, to comment on theleekycauldron's attribution issue; the statement is cited within the article, though I did forget to add it here. What do you mean by "to the station officials"? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

      @MyCatIsAChonk: the vandalism story is people who work at the station claiming in a newspaper that it was vandalizing and speculating as to why – the fact that the sourcing for the incident and speculation aren't independent of the station is something that needs to be included in the article and the hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

      @Theleekycauldron: How about:

      ALT3b: ... that an Ohio radio station's satellite dish was vandalized twice in 1991, believed by the station manager to be due to one of the stations' host's outspoken conservative stances?

      This should fix the issue; additionally, it's already states in the article that the reason for damages was Howser's claim. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

      ALT3b is good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)