Template:Did you know nominations/Theophilus Jones (Royal Navy officer)
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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... that Theophilus Jones was captain of HMS Defiance in 1798, when twelve of Defiance's crew were hung for a planned mutiny?
- Reviewed: Centre Party (New South Wales)
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nominated at 14:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC).
New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Dup detector found no close paraphrasing or copyvios. Well-cited, including the good hook. I would have to WP:AGF with the Whitehall Evening Post (1770) source. However, the The United Service Magazine source states that eleven were hung. In the hook, rather then mention Defiance again, would "the" suffice instead? Edwardx (talk) 10:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Edwardx: thanks for the review and the suggestions. I think that the first step is for me to see if I can get more sources on the hangings. The Whitehall Evening Post (1770) source was one of several very similar contemporary newspaper reports of the court martial's sentence, and it definitely listed 19 men sentenced to death, with some recommended for clemency. So the idea of 12 hung and 10 deported doesn't add up ... and since The United Service Magazine listing is from 38 years later, I am less inclined to trust it on the detail.
I think that the best solution will be for to try to find more newspaper reports, and get a clearer picture of what the final outcome was after clemency was applied. Then we can see where we go. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Edwardx: thanks for the review and the suggestions. I think that the first step is for me to see if I can get more sources on the hangings. The Whitehall Evening Post (1770) source was one of several very similar contemporary newspaper reports of the court martial's sentence, and it definitely listed 19 men sentenced to death, with some recommended for clemency. So the idea of 12 hung and 10 deported doesn't add up ... and since The United Service Magazine listing is from 38 years later, I am less inclined to trust it on the detail.
- Agreed, looking for more sources is surely the best way ahead. Good luck! Edwardx (talk) 12:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Theophilus Jones was captain of HMS Defiance in 1798, when eleven of her crew were hung for a planned mutiny?
- ALT2 ... that Theophilus Jones was captain of HMS Defiance in 1798, when eleven of the ship's crew were hung for a planned mutiny?
- @Edwardx: I found the newspaper accounts of the executions, and you were right: they report 11 men hung, and this is confirmed by the House of Commons Journal. In these edits I have expanded the article coverage of the executions, to clarify the sequence of events. How does ALT1 or ALT2 above look to you? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Very thorough. 11 hangings is as "hooky" as 12. My preference is probably slightly for ALT2 over ALT1. Good to go. Edwardx (talk) 19:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'm fine with either ALT1 or ALT2, but have struck the original hook as incorrect. I'll avoid the gruesome puns on "hook" which this story allows. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Let's play it safe with hanged instead of hung. Otherwise there will be endless arguments.
- ALT3 ... that Theophilus Jones was captain of HMS Defiance in 1798, when eleven of his crew were hanged for planning a mutiny?
EEng (talk) 22:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3 is fine by me, probably a little than the other ALTs. (And congrats to EEng for out-pedanting me <grin>). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC)