Template:Did you know nominations/The Day of Books and Roses (Catalonia)
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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 02:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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The Day of Books and Roses
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Book signing in Catalonia on the Day of Books and Roses
- ... that The Day of Books and Roses originated as Day of the Book in Barcelona, Spain in 1926 and was described as a day of "civility and intelligence"? Source: Page 130, second column, under the header, "El Dia Del Libro". https://books.google.com/books?id=nNUSAAAAIAAJ&newbks=0&vq=la%20vanguardia&pg=RA5-PA130#v=snippet&q=la%20vanguardia&f=false
- ALT1: ... that in Catalonia, Spain over 1.5 million books are sold annually on The Day of Books and Roses? Source: https://booksandroses.cat/en/about-booksandroses/
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- Comment: As a librarian, I want to support a day of books! (and love). Any help welcome.
Created by Bridges2Information (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Day of Books and Roses (Catalonia); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Does this topic have too large an overlap with that of Saint George's Day (Spain)? Diada de Sant Jordi and Saint George's Day (Catalonia) are already redirects to the Catalonia section of that page. Would it be justified to have this article on the Catalan celebration and the other on Catalonia + Aragon and Valencia? Ham II (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: Hi, it took me awhile to figure out how to reply, apologies (the reply link doesn't work). I'm not sure what to do. Perhaps update the Saint George page to reflect how the day is commemorated outside of Catalonia/Northeast Spain. I think the two redirects, that I didn't know about, should be redirected to The Day of Books and Roses. Is that possible? Bridges2Information (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: I've edited the Saint George's Day (Spain) page to include information for another region in spain and shortened the information about Catalonia to be more in line with the other regions. Bridges2Information (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Bridges2Information: Thanks for engaging with my concerns in good faith. Given that Saint George's Day has a subsection on Spain as well, my feeling is that there is one article too many – perhaps Saint George's Day (Spain) is now the superfluous one, and its contents could be merged into its parent article Saint George's Day. The Catalan celebration merits a standalone article, which would be The Day of Books and Roses, though I'm not sure about the name – I note that the German, Dutch and Breton Wikipedias have articles titled "Diada de Sant Jordi". I've redirected Diada de Sant Jordi and Saint George's Day (Catalonia) to The Day of Books and Roses. Ham II (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: I think the idea of absorbing Saint George's Day (Spain) into the larger article makes sense. Especially because the other events/activities outside of Catalonia are smaller and seem to focus on religious aspects of the day, if it's celebrated at all. Bridges2Information (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: Thank you for integrating the information St. George's Day (Spain) into the larger St. George's Day page.Bridges2Information (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Bridges2Information: Thanks for engaging with my concerns in good faith. Given that Saint George's Day has a subsection on Spain as well, my feeling is that there is one article too many – perhaps Saint George's Day (Spain) is now the superfluous one, and its contents could be merged into its parent article Saint George's Day. The Catalan celebration merits a standalone article, which would be The Day of Books and Roses, though I'm not sure about the name – I note that the German, Dutch and Breton Wikipedias have articles titled "Diada de Sant Jordi". I've redirected Diada de Sant Jordi and Saint George's Day (Catalonia) to The Day of Books and Roses. Ham II (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: I've edited the Saint George's Day (Spain) page to include information for another region in spain and shortened the information about Catalonia to be more in line with the other regions. Bridges2Information (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: Hi, it took me awhile to figure out how to reply, apologies (the reply link doesn't work). I'm not sure what to do. Perhaps update the Saint George page to reflect how the day is commemorated outside of Catalonia/Northeast Spain. I think the two redirects, that I didn't know about, should be redirected to The Day of Books and Roses. Is that possible? Bridges2Information (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to proceed? Does this need a new review? Bridges2Information (talk) 02:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: thoughts on Bridges2Information's updates?
- Also curious about if this could get approved and scheduled for April 23, since that's the date of the holiday. Not sure who to tag, Casliber maybe since I believe we crossed paths recently in another DYK review? = paul2520 💬 18:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
@Bridges2Information, Paul2520, and Casliber: Apologies that this all happened during a time when I was indisposed. I think some stylistic changes are needed to the blurbs, so I would suggest the following as a rephrasing of ALT0:
- ALT2: ... that the Day of Books and Roses originated as the Day of the Book in Barcelona in 1926 and was described as a day of "civility and intelligence"? Source: Page 130, second column, under the header, "El Dia Del Libro". https://books.google.com/books?id=nNUSAAAAIAAJ&newbks=0&vq=la%20vanguardia&pg=RA5-PA130#v=snippet&q=la%20vanguardia&f=false
- Mentioning Spain and not Catalonia seems perverse in this context, as Saint George is the patron saint of the latter and not the former, and the most NPOV phrasing is to mention neither. I also think it helps the flow of the sentence.
- Like Paul2520 I'd most like to see it appear on DYK on 23 April. I would approve this with a grey AGF tick, but it doesn't look as if it passes DYK check because of the amount of time that has passed. Does starting a new review (as I've tried to do with the subst template at the start of this comment) reset the clock? If not, is this an exception that could be considered under WP:DYKPN? If I understand correctly, the nomination needs to appear at WP:SOHA today or tomorrow to appear on 23 April. Again, sorry for the delay. Ham II (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Ham II: To answer your question, a special occasion request means that, unless an exemption is granted at WT:DYK, the nomination must be made no more than six weeks before the requested date. Starting a new review does not reset the clock: the requirement stands regardless of when the actual review was done. In this case, six weeks after February 20 is April 3, so the special occasion request is ineligible. If you really want that date, you can make a request over at WT:DYK, but as the guidelines say, requests are not guaranteed to be granted, especially IAR ones. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Also pinging Paul2520 since they were asking. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 what does IAR mean in this context?
- Ham II is this approved if we use your proposed ALT2?
- cc Bridges2Information. = paul2520 💬 13:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: WP:IAR. Basically, under the rules, a special occasion request cannot be made more than six weeks before the requested date. So for example, if you wanted a special occasion date of April 23, the nomination should have been made no earlier than March 12. With that said, there is a pathway if the date is really wanted and that is to request an IAR exemption at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:10, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, I think I follow. Still does this need to get a green check mark from Ham II? = paul2520 💬 13:14, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: As far as I can tell a full review has not been accomplished yet, so yes, they or another editor needs to give this a tick first before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hey BorgQueen, would you be willing/able to provide a review here? Bridges2Information put a lot of work into this article, and I still think there's a shot at getting it posted in time for April 23... = paul2520 💬 16:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- The thing is that, if I review it, I can't promote it. One of our rules. Best if you ask someone else. BorgQueen (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie, would you be willing to review this? Apologies for the out-of-the-blue ping; I was just looking back at who had reviewed DYK nominations that I submitted & your name came up. = paul2520 💬 16:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- The thing is that, if I review it, I can't promote it. One of our rules. Best if you ask someone else. BorgQueen (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hey BorgQueen, would you be willing/able to provide a review here? Bridges2Information put a lot of work into this article, and I still think there's a shot at getting it posted in time for April 23... = paul2520 💬 16:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: As far as I can tell a full review has not been accomplished yet, so yes, they or another editor needs to give this a tick first before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, I think I follow. Still does this need to get a green check mark from Ham II? = paul2520 💬 13:14, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: WP:IAR. Basically, under the rules, a special occasion request cannot be made more than six weeks before the requested date. So for example, if you wanted a special occasion date of April 23, the nomination should have been made no earlier than March 12. With that said, there is a pathway if the date is really wanted and that is to request an IAR exemption at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:10, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
@Bridges2Information, Narutolovehinata5, and Paul2520: 
Approving ALT2, which I've modified to make it more watertight, and I'm accepting the Spanish-language source in good faith.
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- New enough:
- see above - Long enough:
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I will now request an IAR exemption at WT:DYK. I think it needs to go into Queue 1. Ham II (talk) 20:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)