Template:Did you know nominations/Somewhere I Have Never Traveled

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Somewhere I Have Never Traveled edit

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... that on a small island in the Pacific Ocean, about 10% of the population is totally color blind?

Created/expanded by Dcshank (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

This hook is more appropriate for Pingelap, which is ineligible for DYK. Please can you come up with a hook that is actually about the film itself (and also incorporates the film title?) Otherwise the article looks fine to me. Mabalu (talk) 12:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Mabalu. I was in a rush to get it online, then I found out about DYK and the time limit. If I had finished the article, there would be several good hooks. :- ) DCS 22:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

If the hook is the only issue, this is the proper tag, Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Here's an alternative hook:

ALT1: ... that an actor in the film Somewhere I Have Never Traveled played two the roles of two different people, one with long hair and a beard and one with short hair and clean-shaven?

Length and dates check out. I find, however, that the article has a shortage of footnotes. Reference citations are needed for the "Production" section, the second paragraph of "Release", "Home Media", and the first two items under "Awards". Also, it would be nice if the foreign-language reference citations were annotated to identify the languages. For references formatted with the "cite" templates, the "language=" parameter can be used to label the language. --Orlady (talk) 18:50, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I have done a lot of repair following film review including language = . I can now also suggest:

ALT2: ...Somewhere I Have Never Traveled was not only the director's first film, but also the acting debut for the three young stars. :- ) DCS 02:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The article sourcing is improved, but I still see problems. In particular, now that more sources are cited, I am getting the impression that several statements in the article are original research by the article's creator. These include:

The statement in "Production" that says the location of the Catholic church is "surprising." The cited source indicates where the Catholic religion is prominent in Taiwan; it does not say that the location of the church in this film is surprising. Is this the opinion of the article's creator, or can a different source be cited?
The statement in "Release" that: "One would assume that the producer and director attempted to negate the possibility of backlash..." The cited source does not mention this film. Is this the opinion of the article's creator? --Orlady (talk) 05:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- ~~<s>[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]]</s>~~ Original research identified nine days ago with no response.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. I have done some looking, but very busy right now. Definitely not original research, but the English links as to the Love of Siam are gone, so that article also has problems, and I can't not browse at all in Thai. I found one little reference to the Christian influence in Taiwan, but I can not find the really damning stuff. Thanks. :- ) DCS 01:06, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you are understanding the issue. The issue is not about sources about "Love of Siam" and Christianity in Taiwan. The problem is that Wikipedia cannot use sources on those topics to make comments about this movie.

At one point in this review process, I was able to look at the "Love of Siam" source, and I recall that there were concerns about the trailer for that film. What I did not find in the "Love of Siam" article was any discussion of "Somewhere I Have Never Travelled." It is the statement linking Love of Siam to this movie ("One would assume that the producer and director attempted to negate the possibility of backlash such as was generated following the release of Love of Siam") that I determined to be original research. Unless somebody else made this connection and published it, it does not belong in the Wikipedia article.

And regarding the Christian influence in Taiwan, that is not the subject of this article. The statement is that it is surprising that there was a Catholic church near Tainan. If a published film reviewer said the filming location was surprising, the Wikipedia article can say this. A cited source about the geographic distribution of Christians in Taiwan is not a sufficient basis for Wikipedia to say that it is "surprising" that the Catholic church is near Tainan.

Removal of the statements mentioned would resolve the concern about these two instances of original research. However, there would still be no cited sources for (1) the factual information about the two trailers that were released for this movie and (2) the fact that the Catholic church is near Tainan. --Orlady (talk) 01:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Orlady,

Sorry for being so dense. I appreciate your interest, you have put more into this than I have, I am ashamed to say. I started out well, but ran out of spare time.

You're right technically, both are original research. I did worry where does original research end and common sense begin? Do we need original research as to why someone ducked when there is a plate flying at their head? I kept the Tainan church and added a cite to the Sulan School, because the director mentions that she was amazed to find this church in Tainan. I added the reasoning. Just to paraphrase from the interview, and say she was amazed, with no explanation... I thought it interesting, but needed an explanation.

As to "The Love of Siam", the director and/or the producer mentioned somewhere that they did not want to hide the gay plot because of recent problems in that area, but nothing further. Both trailers exist, because I have seen them, but nobody is saying that the gay-oriented one exists.

I wish I could do more with the production, but it was a very low budget film financed by two grants from the Taiwan Department of the Arts(the other reason for the two years of filming), so therefore no one paid much attention to the filming and the only resource is the interviews or blogs of the ones involved.

Thanks for your help. :- ) DCS 03:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

If the director said she was surprised to find the church near Tainan, the article could say that she was surprised, and quote her. If you can find the place where the producer said they didn't want to hide the gay plot, the article could describe this as a statement by the producer. Interviews and blogs about the production can be good sources if the article describes the information and its source appropriately ("The director told an interviewer that...", for example). When describing the production of a movie (not just small films), interviews with the director, producer, and actors often are the best sources that exist. --Orlady (talk) 05:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

What's happening here? The uncited stuff has been nuked, but some of the references are not up to par in reliability. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I have revisited the article, and I believe the article and hook (either ALT1 or ALT2) are ready for the main page. The issues I had with the article earlier are resolved; the article is vastly better than when I first saw it. The source that someone has identified as questionable (footnote 8) is the official site for the film. I've looked at online translations of some of the Chinese sources currently cited, and I have faith that the information presented in the article is solid. Thanks to Dcshank for a lot of hard work! --Orlady (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)