Template:Did you know nominations/Simms Fishing Products
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The result was: rejected by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Withdrawn, neutrality
Simms Fishing Products edit
... that Bozeman, Montana based Simms Fishing Products is the only U.S. wader manufacturer to have a license from W.L. Gore and Associates to use Gore-Tex in waders?
Created/expanded by Mike Cline (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC) Reviewed: Buffalo River State Park (Minnesota)
The article seems to be fine, although the "Innovation" section borders on advertisement. I'm concerned that the hook is in the same vein. Perhaps a hook about women's waders would be interesting/worthwhile to pursue? That is more neutral, and seems less likely to raise questions. I did AGF with the offline sources, which appear to be valid. Article created on 30 November 2012. Cdtew (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I hardly think the hook suggested is advertisement as it is a fact clearly cited in a National Institute of Standards and Technology source. In fact the prose in the Innovation section is also not advertisment as those facts and the context they are conveyed in are clearly supported by independent sources. On the accessibility of sources, I am confused by your comment. Every source but one was linked to a URL (accessible) and the one that wasn't is now (Big Sky Journal-I used a print copy instead of an online copy when I created the article). The two newspaper sources are indeed accessible if you have a Highbeam account. More importantly, there is no requirement that reliable sources cite in an article be online accessible (Wikipedia:Offline sources). If there is a question about the verifiability of any of the content, please identify that and I will do my best to make the source material available. --Mike Cline (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm only offering constructive criticism. The hook is a line that comes straight from an advertisement -- that's what those "Make it in America" pieces are. The companies featured craft their own text, or assist in building the text, for the sole purpose of drawing people to their products. Each "segment" contains contact information for the company and a web address. They are the pure definition of advertisement, and the hook itself basically says "Simms Fishing Products is a better source for waders in the U.S. because...Gore Tex." The MEP itself (the division which publishes the Make it in America pieces) states that "the National Institute of Standards and Technology’s Hollings Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with small and mid-sized U.S. manufacturers to help them create and retain jobs, increase profits, and save time and money." They're a booster organization.
- I hardly think the hook suggested is advertisement as it is a fact clearly cited in a National Institute of Standards and Technology source. In fact the prose in the Innovation section is also not advertisment as those facts and the context they are conveyed in are clearly supported by independent sources. On the accessibility of sources, I am confused by your comment. Every source but one was linked to a URL (accessible) and the one that wasn't is now (Big Sky Journal-I used a print copy instead of an online copy when I created the article). The two newspaper sources are indeed accessible if you have a Highbeam account. More importantly, there is no requirement that reliable sources cite in an article be online accessible (Wikipedia:Offline sources). If there is a question about the verifiability of any of the content, please identify that and I will do my best to make the source material available. --Mike Cline (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm a fan of Simms myself, and I use a Simms wader when I fish, but I think the hook is not neutral. If you could verify the line about women's fishing waders, I think that would be more neutral and more interesting.Cdtew (talk) 15:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I concur with Cdtwe: it seems promotional and non-interesting: there's no hook in this fishing-related item, nothing to catch the reader's interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm a fan of Simms myself, and I use a Simms wader when I fish, but I think the hook is not neutral. If you could verify the line about women's fishing waders, I think that would be more neutral and more interesting.Cdtew (talk) 15:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Fairly naive observation since Gore-Tex and W.L. Gore and Associates have extensive noterity as late 20th innovations. But be that as it may, the nomination is withdraw because its not worth the effort to battle this naivity and entrenched community animosity toward commercial entities. --Mike Cline (talk) 18:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Nomination withdrawn. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
